What If Your Hero Turned Out 2 B Gay?

[BEST EROTIKA 2002]

I'm a huge fan of old movies, but on biography they had a show where they outed just about all of old hollywood: Danny Kaye, Clark Gable, Laurence Olivier, etc... I know it's not supposed to make a difference but doesn't it?

I know when my high school drama teacher (go figure) turned out to be gay it was a shock to the entire community because he was so popular. Does it matter? I know Anne Heche owes her career to being gay, but if Tom Hanks was wouldn't change how you saw him in a role?

 

[p_p_man]

You mean...

Superman isn't!?

 

[BEST EROTIKA 2002]

I think the actor that played him might have been. I don't know, didn't he kill himself or something?

 

[Fly_On_Wall]

Christapher Reeds or is it reaves? oh well, Is paralised not dead

and who cares if they are gay. Does that really change anything about what you liked about them?

 

[CelestialBody]

 

[Saturn Return]

I'm a huge fan of old movies, but on biography they had a show where they outed just about all of old hollywood: Danny Kaye, Clark Gable, Laurence Olivier, etc... I know it's not supposed to make a difference but doesn't it?

First off...why would it ever matter? I saw your "but" before I read it in the sentence...everyone has a but...

Ahem...I really liked their work, *but* now my mind just sees them "differently."

Amazing that they spend money writing and producing a show *not* about the wonderous talent of these people...but what they happened to do or not do with their genitals.
Completely off camera..mind you.

People need to stop thinking so hard about what other people do with their sexual organs.

It's strange to even venture an opinion...

 

[The Nitelight]

Harvey Fierstein is gay?





Well, that changes everything............

 

[CelestialBody]

I thought,

 

[The Nitelight]

Re: I thought,

That was DCL?

DCL is gay?




Well, that changes everything....

 

[Marxist]

People need to stop thinking so hard about what other people do with their sexual organs.

The original superman George Reeves killed himself after the show went off the air. He was destraught over a girl.

http://www.tvparty.com/super.html


And I find I do think that public perception of actors and their proclivities affect how we perceive them in their roles. Anne Heche got a positive effect out of her supposed bisexuality but what if Harrison Ford came out? I think people, consciously or subconsciously, would re-imagine Hans Solo and Indiana Jones much like they did to poor Rock Hudson.

And Saturn, was that some kind of double entendre? You do know where in cyberspace you are don't you?

 

[Saturn Return]

Haha..uh..haha..hehhee..heh..

You said "hard."


Hehe..heh..eh..heh..egh.


And do you know where you are Mr. Marxist..when you go on and on about race and creed?


Should I tell you now that I'm a 30 year old photographer from the Western Hemisphere with a vagina and a brain..or should I just let your random perceptions run wild and free?
~smiles~

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

I'm a huge fan of old movies, but on biography they had a show where they outed just about all of old hollywood: Danny Kaye, Clark Gable, Laurence Olivier, etc... I know it's not supposed to make a difference but doesn't it?

I know when my high school drama teacher (go figure) turned out to be gay it was a shock to the entire community because he was so popular. Does it matter? I know Anne Heche owes her career to being gay, but if Tom Hanks was wouldn't change how you saw him in a role?

Well first off, my heros are not my heros just because they are celebrities - so I can't think of too many celebs I like (if any) that qualify as my heros. My heroic figures are those that have shown courage in the face of adversity, they have shown courage and have stood for ideals I admire and hold myself - I do not think someone heroic just because they have talent, whether it be in acting, sports or whatever. My heros are people such as Thomas Jefferson, Friedrich Hayek, Thomas Paine, Carlos Hathcock and so on.

Second, since I admire them for factors other than their public celebrity, their sexual preferences hardly matter.

 

[cymbidia]

or should I just let your random perceptions run wild and free?
~smiles~

Let the snap-judgemental-types and pigeonholers and stereotypers run, baby. I love to watch people trying to squash other people into small, labelled, identified, therefore-able-to-be-ignored boxes.

People-watching, Lit style.




Carry on....

 

[Marxist]

And do you know where you are Mr. Marxist..when you go on and on about race and creed?

Should I tell you now that I'm a 30 year old photographer from the Western Hemisphere with a vagina and a brain..or should I just let your random perceptions run wild and f

Of course I do. I wasn't trying to be critical of you in particular Sat. but I just thought it was amusing. As far as race and all that, sure they make a difference in a movie if it's race specific. If anyone read what I wrote in the BAGGER VANCE thread it made a difference that Will Smith is Black in a movie where it's p.c. ignored. It would have been much better to address the issue in an aside or cast a White actor.

But getting back to the point of the thread, Hollywood fought for years to keep audiences out of the know on Clark Gable. Thinking that it would damage his image they even fired the original director who was openly gay.

 

[Marxist]

The original director of "Gone With The Wind". Sorry about that.

 

[Saturn Return]

Strange isn't it..

And John Lennon couldn't be married to Cynthia because the fans would just have to stop assuming that they might actually have a chance to fuck him..

It's about the "Fuck" factor..

My brother works for Disney and recently told a story about the time Eisner came into the studio; took one look at Jasmine, the female character from 'Aladdin' and had them scap all the drawings of her because he said she "just isn't fuckable enough!"

Who's gonna want to fuck her..the toddlers in the audience? The dads sitting next to his daugher..munching on popcorn?

The movie came out four months later than scheduled...but hey, her new measurements were 42dd/14/20.


Women won't think Danny Kaye could/would fuck them if he is gay so...make him straight!

What garbage they feed the machine!

 

[Marxist]

My brother works for Disney and recently told a story about the time Eisner came into the studio; took one look at Jasmine, the female character from 'Aladdin' and had them scap all the drawings of her because he said she "just isn't fuckable enough!"

Who's gonna want to fuck her..the toddlers in the audience? The dads sitting next to his daugher..munching on popcorn?

The movie came out four months later than scheduled...but hey, her new measurements were 42dd/14/20.

You've got to be kidding! "Fuckable enough!" But somehow Eisner fits the type. Reminds me of the Barbie controversy over measurements a few years ago. Talk about unrealisitc expectations for little girls.

Sometimes it's the stars themselves that are responsible. Remember the Kevin Spacey controversy over the ESQUIRE article? Spacey has played gay and straight roles over the years but couldn't stand the idea that someone addressed what is obvious to most. Who really cares? It's not like he's Denzel or John Wayne.

 

[april-wine]

What if my hero turns out to be straight......Or worse yet>>>>VANILLA arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[MissVictoria]

My heros are Victor Hugo, Martin Luther King jr, my Mother, my Grandmother, and my Great Grandmother.

The impact on my life if they were gay?

Victor Hugo- well, he's dead, but I don't think he writing would have been any less brilliant.

Martin Luther King jr- I'm sure he would have had a much tougher time than he did, but I think his message would still have been as strong to those listening.

My mother- well, assuming she was gay but still managed to have a child with my dad, I imagine my life would have been harder, growing up, but in the end, I think it would have been more of a positive experience.

This goes for my Grandma and Great Grandma as well. My Great Grandmother was, by the way, bisexual. It caused quite a stir in the family, when she admitted that at the age of 67. But I feel that in the end it has had a positive effect on most of us. It also made it easier for me to come to terms with myself.

 

[Marxist]

Victor Hugo--[Insert lame Hunchback of Notre Dame joke here]

If MLK had been gay it would be one of the most fortuitous events in the history of gay / lesbian rights. Finally they'd have an engine to hook their train to. I'm not of the opinion that the two movements are the same, much in the same way women's rights have little to do with either one. Although all of the above have to be and should be given equal consideration under the law and by society and cultural in general. Not an easy task, but we're working on it I think.

How did you find out greatgrandma was bi?

 

[Marxist]

Victoria---I'm on crack today, what I meant was: What brought up the subject?

 

[Nobody Special's wife]

I rreally don't think it matters one way or another you hero is the actor on a show.. not the person right?/

 

[MissVictoria]

I'm assuming you mean- how did my great grandmother break the news to my family?

She got a divorce from my great grandfather after so many years of marriage, and then outed the secret of her sexual orientation then, for some reason or another. I guess she figured since she was dropping one bombshell, she may as well drop another, so she could have one crater instead of two

 

[MissVictoria]

Victor Hugo (without hunchback of notre dame jokes)

"Providence, by the mere fact of universal life, leads men, things, and events on to maturity. In order that an old world fade away, it is sufficient for civilization, ascending majestically toward her solstice, to illuminate ancient institutions, ancient prejudices, ancient laws, and ancient manners. Her radiance burns up the past and devours it. Civilization enlightens (this is the visible fact) and at the same time consumes (this is the mysterious fact). Under its influence, that which should decline declines, and that which should grow old grows old, slowly and without shock; wrinkles come to things condemned, be they castes, or codes, or institutions, or religions."

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"To be 'ultra' is to go to the extreme. It is to attack the sceptre in the name of the throne and the mitre in the name of the altar; to abuse the cause one supports; to rush one's fences, outdo the executioner in the grilling of heretics, charge the idol with insufficient idolatry, insult by excessive adulation, find the pope insufficiently papist and the king insufficiently royalist. It is to denigrate the whiteness of alabaster or snow or the swan or the lily in the name of flawless whiteness; to be a partisan of causes to the point of becoming their enemy; to be so vehemently for as to be in fact against."

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"Mankind is not a circle with a single center but an ellipse with two focal points of which facts are one and ideas are the other."

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"Intellectual and moral growth is no less essential than material betterment. Knowledge is a viaticum; thought is a primary necessity; truth is as much a source of nourishment as corn. Argument lacking knowledge and wisdom grows thin. We must pity minds, no less than stomachs, that go unfilled. If there is anything more poignant than a body dying for lack of food it is a mind dying for lack of light."

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"The philosophers say, 'Be moderate in your pleasures,' but I say enjoy them to the full.... Moderate your pleasures — what nonsense it is! Down with the philosophers! Rapture is the true wisdom."

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"It is sometimes more difficult to be the second than the first. It requires less genius, but more courage. The first, intoxicated by the novelty, may ignore the danger; the second sees the abyss, and rushes into it."

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"In short, between men and women you want..."

"Equality."

"Equality! You can't mean it. Man and woman are two different creatures."

"I said equality. I didn't say identity."

-Quatrevingt-treize (Ninety-Three, 1874)(III.7.v)

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"A dogma is a dark chamber."

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"You have enemies? Why, it is the story of every man who has done a great deed or created a new idea. It is the cloud which thunders around everything that shines. Fame must have enemies, as light must have gnats. Do no bother yourself about it; disdain. Keep your mind serene as you keep your life clear."

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"I say that Humanity has a synonym — Equality; and that under heaven there is but one thing we ought to bow to — Genius; and only one thing before which we ought to kneel — Goodness."

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"Religions do a useful thing: they narrow God to the limits of man. Philosophy replies by doing a necessary thing: it elevates man to the plane of God. True philosophy turns aside from religions, and pushes forward to religion."

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"For each of us, there are certain parallelisms between our intellect, our habits, and our character, which develop without interruption and are broken only by life's great upheavals."



-Victor Hugo