What if there are no victims?

[renard_ruse]

What if the myth of the oppressed demographic groups is really a myth after all?

What if you liberals were really showing disrespect for others when you consider them a victim because of the various classifications you consider to be victimized? How can you really view someone as an equal when you consider them a victim? And for those who view themselves as victims, especially when its not even true, how can they truly respect themselves or achieve their potential?

Everyone has a cross to bear. Some even have imaginary crosses that aren't real. Viewing others or yourself as a victim does no one any good, even if it were true, and especially when there's no actual evidence it even is.

 

[eyer]

What if the myth of the oppressed demographic groups is really a myth after all?

What if you liberals were really showing disrespect for others when you consider them a victim because of the various classifications you consider to be victimized? How can you really view someone as an equal when you consider them a victim? And for those who view themselves as victims, especially when its not even true, how can they truly respect themselves or achieve their potential?

Everyone has a cross to bear. Some even have imaginary crosses that aren't real. Viewing others or yourself as a victim does no one any good, even if it were true, and especially when there's no actual evidence it even is.

Ffs, ruse...

...why are you so intent on taking all the ego's pleasure out of feeling sorry for oneself?

 

[hashtag45]

Your argument seems flawed to me, because it starts with a false premise : that us (liberals) and you (conservatives)
share the same worldview

From some youtube programs that I watched: the reason that conservatives and liberals get along like chalk and cheese has nothing to do with their morality (both parties abide by it). It has to do with their view of human nature:
- liberals have a more socially-oriented model of human nature
- conservatives emphasize personal responsibility. And the more extreme conservatives also believe that people's character cannot be changed

 

[hashtag45]

This is the video that I was talking about : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rdiTwxUiIVY. (on The Agenda with Steve Paikin)
I also liked Jonathan Haidt's ted talk (it's on youtube), although I didn't quite like his disgust theory thing.

I would like some similar links that give a view of "the other side of the coin", if anyone has some


((ps - looking back I realise that you were not expressing an opinion just throwing an interesting idea for us to debate - but communication issues aside- you know what I meant))

 

[DesEsseintes]

Alternatively put: what if every set of social and economic statistics gathered over 100+ years is wrong?

 

[lovecraft68]

There is a school of thought that victims are victims as long as they allow themselves to be and some seem to wallow in it and use it as a crutch.

When the riots were going on in Baltimore and the news was talking about what a racially oppressed city it was I was looking at a Black Mayor and Black Police chief...two very respectable positions obtained by victims. How does that happen?

perhaps...they looked around and said, "I can wallow in shit or do better" perhaps they made an effort in school and worked hard and achieved and if they did why can't others?

Of course the easy school of thought would be they must be uncle toms who kissed white ass

Back in the eighties when the Cosby shows was all the rage, it became controversial because it showed a successful black family. Many blacks enjoyed the breaking of the "poor black family" stereo types (Like Good Times) however it caused it the otehr way as well with blacks being upset saying "That's not realistic"

Not realistic because the show featured a black couple who were a doctor and an attorney. And that just can't happen! Why? Because if people started realizing that Blacks can achieve anything whites can...well then there goes there whining and bitching and martyrdom and their excuse to act like animals in the name of "racial justice"

Isn't it funny how so many middle eastern kids and Asian kids come here with nothing and end up in great colleges and good careers? Isn't it odd that they can make it? Isn't it strange that the blacks who despite their claims of African Heritage have been in the country far longer than any other ethnicity? (let's face it many of us here, our families came over in the 20's-40's) can't seem to succeed?

Well of course they can and many, many do. And the ones that do are looked at with scorn by the punks in the street and are told they are not Black enough....RG3 and Russel Wilson, two successful(okay RG3 meh) QB's in the NFL and Wilson a great underdog story, but sorry, you act to white for us

You know where the real racism is? Among the blacks, they are split between two factions, regular people and "blacks" one wants to be like everyone else and act that way one wants to always be "we're black" and always in a negative light.

The best thing I have seen on TV this year was that mother opening up a can of whip ass on her son for acting like a fucking punk. That tells you he was not raised that way and tells you his mom was humiliated that he was.

maybe mom isn't black enough? Who knows?

I know I grew up in a pretty much all black inner city neighborhood and I was white and I know that many of them have done far better than me in education and careers, yet just as many are still mucking around in the same shit whining about how bad off they are and looking to blame everyone but themselves.

Does ignorance and racism exist? Of course it does and it sucks, but there always will be some. But these morons of today have never had to go to a separate school or use a separate bathroom and end of the day have no idea what their ancestors went through to get rid of that.

Their ancestors and grand parents that fought for the word "nigger' to be seen as crude and racist, now their punk grand kids think its a damn joke. They are a disgrace to people like MLK, they are a disgrace to their own kind and sadly the most vocal and even more sad the media chooses to all them their crutch

And pathetic to see all the condescending, patronizing white guilt oozing from boards like this.

Being any race or color is only a handicap is you let it be and many want it to be.

 

[CyranoJ]

What if the myth of the oppressed demographic groups is really a myth after all?

If it ever happened, then race-based housing and employment discrimination, the "war on drugs" and the prison-industrial complex and racialized police brutality in the ghetto would all magically disappear. Everyone would get a free pony and a lifetime supply of pink cotton candy, immigrant groups wouldn't get fallaciously trotted out to play the Model Minority in total ignorance of their actual history and circumstances, and crypto-racist morons like yourself could look in the mirror and see a Rilly Smart Persun and get a nice swell stiffy. Wouldn't that be grand.

If it ever does happen there'll be one sure way for you to know. "Interracial" porn will stop making money. No profit in it without racism and the sense of taboo to fuel it.

 

[Lyricalli]

What if the myth of the oppressed demographic groups is really a myth after all?

What if you liberals were really showing disrespect for others when you consider them a victim because of the various classifications you consider to be victimized? How can you really view someone as an equal when you consider them a victim? And for those who view themselves as victims, especially when its not even true, how can they truly respect themselves or achieve their potential?

Everyone has a cross to bear. Some even have imaginary crosses that aren't real. Viewing others or yourself as a victim does no one any good, even if it were true, and especially when there's no actual evidence it even is.

What if the myth is a myth? Obviously, your premise is that oppression is a myth. This is like asking "What if oxygen is really oxygen after all?" Oppression of demographic groups is not a myth. It is fact. It was written into law.

How is acknowledging that specific groups of people have been treated unjustly a disrespectful thing? Understanding that someone else has been treated poorly doesn't mean they are seen as less than. A victim of abuse is not a lesser person for having been abused. Those who seek to correct abusive actions are not superior in comparison. If someone has fallen and needs a hand to get back up, does offering a hand mean that they are not seen as an equal? Of course not.

Everyone does have a cross to bear, and everyone feels that theirs is real. The world becomes wider and wondrous when there's an understanding that we're not all looking through the same lens, with the same experiences, and the same response systems. We're all products of our history, and it colours the way we view the world and the possibilities that we can imagine for ourselves and those around us.

 

[CyranoJ]

Alternatively put: what if every set of social and economic statistics gathered over 100+ years is wrong?

Yep. And of course every person affected by racism, or openly claiming to be a racist, was just making it all up or being dramatic. Or maybe the "liberals" just concocted all that history from whole cloth somehow.

Heck, these kids probably all shot themselves.