What happens to scores, comments, favourites if story is rejected then re-posted?

[RetroFan]

Earlier this week I had a story posted to the site which was up several days, then taken down and sent back because of an inappropriate title. I'm not complaining about that, Literotica makes the rules and I'll stick by them and I'll re-name the story, remove any content that might be a problem and re-submit it in a new category - it was in LW, but I'll probably re-submit in IR.

My only query is, what becomes of any comments, scores and favourites against the story? Do they remain, or does it re-set to zero upon re-publication? The story wasn't up long, but it was in LW so it had a few comments most of which were negative. Has anyone else had a posted story rejected later and what happened when it was re-submitted?

 

[ElectricBlue]

To my knowledge the metadata would remain, but be suppressed with the withdrawn story. If you fix it and it gets reposted, there's no reason why the metadata would change.

A resubmitted story is in the same place in the database, just with the updated content.

It's the same as an edit, it's just been forced on you.

 

[KeithD]

It's a good question. Let us know what happened with that when/if your story reposts.

 

[yukonnights]

It's a good question. I guess I've always assumed that if the Title of the story changes the submitted story is seen as new. I too would like to see the answer on this question.

 

[RetroFan]

I changed the title and ending of my story, and ended up putting it back in Loving Wives as the main focus of the story is cheating. It looks as though the comments and scores still stand, but I will only be able to tell when/if it is accepted again. I'll let you know what happens.

 

[ElectricBlue]

It's a good question. I guess I've always assumed that if the Title of the story changes the submitted story is seen as new. I too would like to see the answer on this question.

As far as I can figure it out, a story, its metadata, and its title are all part of an interlinked dataset, sitting within the overall Lit story file. You can change the story content and the title (and the metadata updates automatically), but the inter-relationships between the three data chunks are already established and hold everything together.

It's only when a story is deleted that everything gets purged - the FAQ states that explicitly, and warns that once a story is gone, it's gone forever.

 

[8letters]

I had a story pulled because someone complained that there was an underage reference. I edited it and resubmitted it, and it was restored with all the comments and statistics it had when it was pulled.

 

[Agiel]

I had a story pulled because someone complained that there was an underage reference. I edited it and resubmitted it, and it was restored with all the comments and statistics it had when it was pulled.

How did you know it had been removed? How did you know it was because of an underage reference? Was it a story you had recently submitted or was it an older story? Did you write something in the notes to admin box when you resubmitted? I assumed when when a story was removed by Laurel everything was lost. Is it kept, together with its votes and comments for a specific time or is everything stored forever?

Extract from comment by Electricblue66:
It's only when a story is deleted that everything gets purged - the FAQ states that explicitly, and warns that once a story is gone, it's gone forever.

Is there a difference between pulled and deleted?
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[Agiel]

I’ve never had a story removed against my wishes but I recently looked back at a story from a few years ago and noticed a comment had been removed. I remembered the comment specifically because it was sarcastic and showed the person had completely failed to understand the storyline although many others had going by the comments and votes.

I didn’t think it was possible for an individual to remove a comment after it had been posted. I thought only Laurel could do that but I can’t for the life of me think why she would remove such an innocuous comment which, although sarcastic, contained no inflammatory language and wouldn’t have offended anyone.

 

[ElectricBlue]

How did you know it had been removed? How did you know it was because of an underage reference? Was it a story you had recently submitted or was it an older story? Did you write something in the notes to admin box when you resubmitted? I assumed when when a story was removed by Laurel everything was lost. Is it kept, together with its votes and comments for a specific time or is everything stored forever?

Extract from comment by Electricblue66:
It's only when a story is deleted that everything gets purged - the FAQ states that explicitly, and warns that once a story is gone, it's gone forever.

Is there a difference between pulled and deleted?
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The story would have been referred back to 8letters as the author, with the reason for the take-down given. He changed the problematic section, got it back up.

The site "pulls" a story (takes it down) when someone reports it. It then gets managed the same as if it was an original submission getting rejected - the author is given the reason for rejection/take-down and given the opportunity to fix it. If the author does nothing, it remains hidden forever (but is still in the data file).

A deletion is when the author wants the story removed from the site - that's when everything gets purged and cannot be recovered.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I didn’t think it was possible for an individual to remove a comment after it had been posted. I thought only Laurel could do that but I can’t for the life of me think why she would remove such an innocuous comment which, although sarcastic, contained no inflammatory language and wouldn’t have offended anyone.

If the account got banned for whatever reason, all comments from that account holder would get purged.

 

[RetroFan]

My story was re-posted with its new title and the scores, favourites and comments remained. It also went back to the date of original publication, so didn't appear with the new stories.

As for the issue of comments being removed, that's always puzzled me too. I've had some comments removed from some of my works by the site administrators such as one that told me to go and kill myself, and another that advised that I needed to have my head smashed in with a hammer, which is understandable.

However, I've had some comments removed for stories which although negative weren't threatening or abusive, other comments far worse remaining on my other stories. For example on one fetish story I wrote the comment was titled STUPID, and the comment read 'This is a stupid story. Such a stupid story' but it was removed a week later.

Unfortunately, the commenter did not detail the components of the story that made it stupid, so I could hopefully avoid writing another stupid story in the future.

 

[Agiel]

The story would have been referred back to 8letters as the author, with the reason for the take-down given. He changed the problematic section, got it back up.

The site "pulls" a story (takes it down) when someone reports it. It then gets managed the same as if it was an original submission getting rejected - the author is given the reason for rejection/take-down and given the opportunity to fix it.

There was a thread, not too long ago (if I could remember, or knew how, I would post a link), from someone saying they’d had a chapter (more than one?) of a story removed but didn’t know why. It may have been a one off story, I’m not sure. I can’t remember all the comments, which is not a surprise, but they said, if I’m not mistaken, they hadn’t been informed why it had been removed.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I can’t remember all the comments, which is not a surprise, but they said, if I’m not mistaken, they hadn’t been informed why it had been removed.

They would have been informed, but if they weren't paying attention to the little itty bitty icons on their story submission page, could easily have missed it, especially if they'd not submitted anything for a while. You wouldn't be expecting an old story to suddenly be reported, but it happens quite frequently, judging by the number who ask about it here.

I suspect there are thousands of stories that will forever be in limbo, because the author is dead and gone, no longer active on Lit, or just doesn't care enough to do anything. Coz it's completely down to the author to respond to the take-down. The site won't follow anything up.

 

[lovecraft68]

Worth mentioning that its only been the last year or two that the site even tells you the story has been rejected, even then you have to look at your page to see you have one sitting there.

In the past they removed the story with no e-mail, no notification of any kind and no reason given as there is with submitted stories that get kicked back.

So at least people have a chance to do something about it these days.

 

[KeithD]

I think a rejection message has always been sent. What I don't think Laurel does and that the site should do is that when a story has been reported and she decides to drop it, I don't think the story author is notified it's being dropped or is given a chance to defend why it shouldn't be dropped.

 

[lovecraft68]

I think a rejection message has always been sent. What I don't think Laurel does and that the site should do is that when a story has been reported and she decides to drop it, I don't think the story author is notified it's being dropped or is given a chance to defend why it shouldn't be dropped.

Rejection on a new submission the message showed when you clicked on it on your page when you saw it was kicked back. There was never any type of message sent that I recall, and I did have a couple booted for small things she misinterpreted and I had to republish with a note.

An old story getting reported and removed was the same, only way you knew was if you kept looking at your page. I had one that I have no idea how long it was gone and only found out when someone told me chapter 4 of a series was missing.

 

[Agiel]

What I don't think Laurel does and that the site should do is that when a story has been reported and she decides to drop it, I don't think the story author is notified it's being dropped or is given a chance to defend why it shouldn't be dropped.

Not being notified was what the writer who complained earlier this year was on about. If I remember correctly they were saying the story had been there for several years but had only been removed a few months ago. They weren’t told it was being removed, why, and given no chance to change anything or argue their case.

This was not what 8letters said in his comment.


“I had a story pulled because someone complained that there was an underage reference. I edited it and resubmitted it, and it was restored with all the comments and statistics it had when it was pulled.”

It would be helpful if 8letters (or Laurel) gave more details as to how he knew the story was pulled. Did Laurel notify him and how? Did he see the story had disappeared and did he message her for an explanation? It would be helpful to know which and if the latter are there time limitation?
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[ElectricBlue]

Not being notified was what the writer who complained earlier this year was on about. If I remember correctly they were saying the story had been there for several years but had only been removed a few months ago. They weren’t told it was being removed, why, and given no chance to change anything or argue their case.

Whenever this has come up in the past, it has been a consistent factor that the story IS referred back to the author, just the same as if Laurel rejected it today.

That is what 8letters said happened with his story, and I can recall at least a dozen reports over the last several years saying authors ARE advised - because the author with the story taken down is quizzing the process here, ergo, knew about the take down.

Whether or not every author actually reads the notification is something else entirely.

 

[KeithD]

Not being notified was what the writer who complained earlier this year was on about.

Yes, that's what I posted. It wasn't not being notified by a submissions rejection. It was about not being notified a posted story had been taken down.

 

[KeithD]

That is what 8letters said happened with his story, and I can recall at least a dozen reports over the last several years saying authors ARE advised - because the author with the story taken down is quizzing the process here, ergo, knew about the take down.

Well, no. The complaints I've seen was that the author had to find that out themselves. Maybe we've been reading different discussion boards all these years.

 

[LexxRuthless]

I've had two stories reported and removed from the site. In both cases, I received an e-mail notification and the reason the person gave was pasted into the e-mail I was sent. I made a small edit, removing the offending passage from the first story, and it was restored within hours. The second story had been reported for "underage content" and I simply resubmitted it because there wasn't any such content, along with a note to the editor to that effect. That story took almost two weeks to get back onto the site. It sat in my "Pending" folder the entire time, and actually showed 53 new views as it was reviewed repeatedly before finally being allowed back onto the site.

In both cases the stories retained all their views, votes, favorites and comments. However, I did not alter the title or category for either story. Good to know the new title didn't cause yours to appear as a new submission.

 

[8letters]

How did you know it had been removed? How did you know it was because of an underage reference? Was it a story you had recently submitted or was it an older story? Did you write something in the notes to admin box when you resubmitted?

It was five years ago. I don't remember much now other than it happened. I created a thread about my experience here after the story was restored. From the thread:
* I didn't get a notice that the story was taken down. "I was looking at my list of submitted stories and noticed that one had a 'Rejected' status."
* I knew it was an underage reference as the story had the following rejection reason: "Report ID: 33038 Title: Violating submission guidelines (please list below): Details: When Ashlynne had been thirteen, she realized one night that I was checking out her then-small titties. Quote from page two. It is one comment, but I thought age was a factor in submitting stories. Submission: My Sister Set Me Up on a Blind Date [edit] Submission Author: 8letters [edit]"
* I'm sure I wrote a note in the admin box laying out what exactly I changed in the resubmission, but I don't really remember
* In that thread, I got several comments about how I was a monster for writing a couple of sentences on page two of a seven-page story about when the sister was thirteen. To repeat myself, I wasn't trying to write anything erotic about a thirteen-year-old girl; I was trying to show how the brother and sister had fought constantly through their teenage years and were struggling with their relationship now that they weren't fighting