What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?

[LadyVer]

He knows they're not selling Sno-cones in Hell, yet.

LOL

to you as well sir Vette.

 

[Busybody]

Ask Vette about When Hell Freezes Over.

so in others words

you threw some shit out

and had no fucking clue what the fuck you were talking about

TYPICAL LIB

 

[LadyVer]

Look, Falstaff, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that most people can't work full time until they're 80. Smart ass.

 

[Busybody]

I have NO fucking CLUE

What the FUCK you

Are talking

about

 

[LadyVer]

Well, you are from the dark side (right wing) after all, dearest.

 

[JohnnySavage]

YAWN!

http://www.aei-ideas.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/9.10.12-Strain-Post-1.png

sorry

BLS=BullShit Lyin Stooges

TEE HEE?

 

[Busybody]

TEE HEE?

Not TEE HEE?

But

TEE HEE!

 

[Busybody]

Well, you are from the dark side (right wing) after all, dearest.

In other words

You are speechless

Sorta like NIGGER POON ZANDI throwing SHIT out ad cant back it up

 

[LadyVer]

No, dear. In other words I don't want to waste my time on your games.

xo

 

[Busybody]

No, dear. In other words I don't want to waste my time on your games.

xo

but it was YOU that opened your big mouth!


do you realize, you sound EXACTLY like all the other STOOGES

 

[koalabear]

We should get together sometime and compare DD214s.

What was your MOS, assclown?

What was yours slob?

 

[unregistered]

 

[koalabear]

He doesn't have any, but the uniform he was packaged in said, "Napkin Sanitary, Individual."

I figured he was the one the farmers sold the mess hall slop to.

 

[unregistered]

 

[mercury14]

It doesn't matter that only 15-18 states are choosing to operating their own exchanges. In fact it's good. The most efficient way to do this would be for the federal government to operate one central exchange instead of duplicating the same service 51 times. The only reason it's being left to the states is to satisfy the states' rights crowd, then it turned out that those people ended up not caring about states' rights.

Vette, you can bitch all you want about this, but the fact of the matter is you're probably complaining that Obamacare is cheaper than predicted.

 

[RobDownSouth]

It doesn't matter that only 15-18 states are choosing to operating their own exchanges. In fact it's good. The most efficient way to do this would be for the federal government to operate one central exchange instead of duplicating the same service 51 times. The only reason it's being left to the states is to satisfy the states' rights crowd, then it turned out that those people ended up not caring about states' rights.

Vette, you can bitch all you want about this, but the fact of the matter is you're probably complaining that Obamacare is cheaper than predicted.

I'll disagree with you on the "more efficient way" for the Feds.

The Feds by definition basically have a one-size-fits-all type of plan.

The individual states could tailor their plans to conform to their demographic, for example Florida has a lot more geriatric care need than most states, Wyoming probably needs to emphasize rural care, and California could direct more resources to counter HIV outbreaks and drug use that typically occur near Marine Corps bases.

 

[phrodeau]

I'll disagree with you on the "more efficient way" for the Feds.

The Feds by definition basically have a one-size-fits-all type of plan.

The individual states could tailor their plans to conform to their demographic, for example Florida has a lot more geriatric care need than most states, Wyoming probably needs to emphasize rural care, and California could direct more resources to counter HIV outbreaks and drug use that typically occur near Marine Corps bases.

Dick Cheney is in Wyoming. He needs some major work done.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Exquisition]

so in others words

you threw some shit out

and had no fucking clue what the fuck you were talking about

TYPICAL LIB

You don't DO irony do you?

 

[Busybody]

Obamacare is cheaper than predicted.

You are a BIG DUMMY

 

[Busybody]

Not surprisingly, as Senate Democrats have gotten a look at what exactly is in ObamaCare, the parts of the law that were intended to control costs have gradually been stripped from the legislation.

Democrats first repealed the CLASS Act, the long-term care insurance provision of the law, which they realized would work against its intended goal of reducing the deficit. Similarly, they repealed another supposed “deficit reducer,” the “1099 provision,” that would have forced burdensome paperwork upon small businesses for the sake of discovering more “taxable” transactions.

Now, Minnesota’s two Democrat Senators, Al Franken and Amy Klobuchar, are using “Republican” terminology to delay the 2.3% medical device tax scheduled to take effect on January 1st. For these Senators, the tax, which is supposed to raise $28 billion over the next decade to fund the law, is now a “job-killing tax” that will not only cost jobs but make it more difficult for American medical device manufacturers to be competitive and innovative.

It turns out Senators Franken and Klobuchar have been enlightened of these facts by medical device companies in their home state of Minnesota; they've joined 16 other Democrat Senators who now share the same view. In a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, these Senators have asked for a delay in the medical device tax, but they are actually aiming for a full repeal of this part of the law.

The delay/repeal bug appears to have bitten members of the health care industry as well, including some doctors, hospitals, and drug companies who originally supported ObamaCare because of the fact that it is chock full of subsidies for many of these health care sectors.

However, the Independent Payment Advisory Panel (IPAB), the board of unelected officials that will determine which medical treatments and procedures are too costly for some patients, is supposed to impose cost controls on federal medical spending. AKA, THE DEATH PANEL

Threatened by these cost-containment provisions, these members of the health care industry are now intent on eliminating this panel, again using “Republican” terminology, like, “The AMA will work to stop the IPAB from causing this type of double-jeopardy situation for physicians and compromising access to care for seniors and baby-boomers.”

It appears many of the groups that originally supported ObamaCare want to be able to have their cake and eat it, too, and Senate Democrats seem poised to allow them to do just that. The question is, without these sources of funding for all the ObamaCare mandates, and without cost-containment, as intrinsically horrific as mechanisms like the IPAB may be, how will the law be implemented at all?

 

[mercury14]

I'll disagree with you on the "more efficient way" for the Feds.

The Feds by definition basically have a one-size-fits-all type of plan.

The individual states could tailor their plans to conform to their demographic, for example Florida has a lot more geriatric care need than most states, Wyoming probably needs to emphasize rural care, and California could direct more resources to counter HIV outbreaks and drug use that typically occur near Marine Corps bases.

The Feds wouldn't necessarily have to offer just one plan though.

 

[Busybody]

The Feds wouldn't necessarily have to offer just one plan though.

BIG DUMMY

 

[mercury14]

However, the Independent Payment Advisory Panel (IPAB), the board of unelected officials that will determine which medical treatments and procedures are too costly for some patients, is supposed to impose cost controls on federal medical spending. AKA, THE DEATH PANEL

Threatened by these cost-containment provisions, these members of the health care industry are now intent on eliminating this panel, again using “Republican” terminology, like, “The AMA will work to stop the IPAB from causing this type of double-jeopardy situation for physicians and compromising access to care for seniors and baby-boomers.”

It appears many of the groups that originally supported ObamaCare want to be able to have their cake and eat it, too, and Senate Democrats seem poised to allow them to do just that. The question is, without these sources of funding for all the ObamaCare mandates, and without cost-containment, as intrinsically horrific as mechanisms like the IPAB may be, how will the law be implemented at all?

A panel to suggest ways to save money under Medicare that cannot reduce coverage or eligibility and cannot ration. Let's see what the law actually says, shall we?

The panel shall not include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or premiums, decrease benefits, increase patient cost-sharing (including deductibles or co-payments), or otherwise restrict benefits or eligibility criteria.

Page 409: http://housedocs.house.gov/energycommerce/ppacacon.pdf


Where in this are you reading that the panel can take away people's medical care?

 

[Busybody]

Hey, yo, CURRY

If any sane person would ask that

I would answer

You are a

Big

Dummy

And not worth answering