What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?

[koalabear]

Yeah, your health care costs NEVER EVER went up under Reagan, Bush, Clinton or Dubya. But hey, as soon as Obama took office, they skyrocketed.

Nice propaganda. Obama came into office and the recession immediately turned out to be FAR worse than Obama or anyone else predicted. So as the facts changed, so did the assessment of the situation. The White House's assessment of the state of the economy in January 2009 was far too rosy, just like everyone else's (blame Obama for that if you want but be consistent and blame the GOP as well). The inaccuracy of the estimation on GDP wasn't because of a flawed view of economic policy nearly as much as it's because of a bad take on where the economic baseline would be.

Don't miss a click.

 

[mercury14]

let's take a closer look.

the less i have to pay? why would i be paying less?
and i'm not paying less to care for myself, my healthcare costs have gone up, thanks to your buddy BO.

Where are you getting your information? Because the current data is that health care cost increases are slowing down markedly. Health insurance premiums climbed 4% this year compared to 10% or more each year for the past decade.

Health Plan Cost Increases Starting to Slow Down
Increases for all types of health plans projected to increase by less than 10 percent for the first time in a decade

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/11/pf/insurance/health-insurance-premiums/index.html
http://www*****healthpro.com/2012/04/06/health-plan-cost-increases-starting-to-slow-down

 

[Sean Renaud]

so, you're talking about adding gov't programs to "figure out" how to redistribute. who do you think knows money management best, goverment workers or the private sector? (that's a rhetorical question, btw)

It shouldn't be a rhetorical question. It is how ever the wrong question. You didn't include us the people at all in your equation. The private sector has never shown any evidence that it's particularly good at wealth distribution.

the less i have to pay? why would i be paying less? and i'm not paying less to care for myself, my healthcare costs have gone up, thanks to your buddy BO.

Because the expense would be covered. If you hypothetically didn't have to pay for gas that would net you, what? I'm guessing between one hundred and three hundred a month so for the sake of argument we'll call that $2400 extra dollars a year to spend on whatever the fuck you want.

Your health care costs went up because that's what health care costs do, and besides this was the Republican idea to use a mandate instead of outright mimicking either a European or Canadian model. Don't get pissed because someone foolishly compromised with you.

IF i had spare time. which i don't. but it's a lovely thought.

Well perhaps we should GET you some spare time. Perhaps it's time to move to a 30 hour work week? Perhaps it's time to raise minimum wage. Perhaps you have something you'd like to suggest. That's how progress is made, we identify the problem, then we try to find a solution. Right now it seems we have two problems a lack of work especially for low skilled workers and a lack of time. Perhaps we should get on that?

so, taking from the rich to give to me directly. even though they're already paying a higher % of their income in taxes. that's some incentive to succeed in america: "do well in school, and make more money so we can take it and give it to those who didn't work as hard as you!"

Yes, even though they are paying a higher percentage of their income in taxes. You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid not to want to succeed because people are taking some of your money. Fifty percent of a million dollars (and it's technically only on the money made after 250k) is still twice as much as 250k. If your so damn lazy that you won't up your game for that then I promise you some on will.

If giving to you directly is deemed the best option, but it won't be. I can't see any real world way that would realistically happen. At least not until things get REALLY bad but we'll be able to dodge that at least a few more decades.

we've invested billions and billions and billions in schools. schools don't make better pupils, teachers do. and the teacher unions always fight whatever program comes down the pipe, and refuse to fire the no-goods among them. it's not an issue of money.

It is an issue about money. Our schools are underfunded, a teachers underpaid villianized. We only have to look at the schools that are performing both here and around the world to know yes the problem is that we don't pay our teachers well, we don't fund our schools very well either.

If the primary problem with our schools was the union then explain why Europe is kicking our asses? They not only have unions they actually use them in Europe. They will sit out and not feel the least bit bad about it. So that ain't the problem.

that's not bad. but rich people money will be a cup of water in that swimming pool of need.

yeah, ok, you sold me. let's milk those rich fuckers for all they're worth!

A cup in that swimming pool of need. While our infrastructure is pretty crummy right now we built it on the backs of the rich and it was fucking state of the art once. We can do it again.

And nobdy is talking about for everything their worth. Nobody is even really having a conversation that moves beyond let the tax cuts expire because we're afraid to have the conversation.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Nice propaganda. Obama came into office and the recession immediately turned out to be FAR worse than Obama or anyone else predicted. So as the facts changed, so did the assessment of the situation. The White House's assessment of the state of the economy in January 2009 was far too rosy, just like everyone else's (blame Obama for that if you want but be consistent and blame the GOP as well). The inaccuracy of the estimation on GDP wasn't because of a flawed view of economic policy nearly as much as it's because of a bad take on where the economic baseline would be.

The Vettebigot can't abide good news in a Democratic administration, so he's reduced to whining about predictions that didn't come true.

Of course, the Vettebigot is something of an expert in predictions that never came true....who can forget his Nostradumbass prediction that the recession was over in January 2008 and that would allow John McCain to be elected by a landslide.....

 

[Beco]

Cant believe Romney might win this!!

 

[phrodeau]

except the problem with redistribution is that....its a short one time fix. those that chose to live off welfare will still be living off welfare

wealth redistribution is a mistake...always has been....always will be.

people chose to live on welfare.

We should find those people who choose to live on welfare and fire them.

That'll teach them a lesson.

 

[phrodeau]

Cant believe Romney might win this!!

Neither can I.

 

[mercury14]

Cant believe Romney might win this!!

Me either.

 

[Beco]

Me either.

I'm pumped ! It will be a great day for America, a great day for Lit! Kind of funny, watching the debates on TV, it looked like Romney was the incumbent, not Obama....

 

[koalabear]

Neither can I.

Me either.

No surprise.

 

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[bra_man69]

I've asked you to prove this lie in the past, but I should have directed my challenge to the Grand Canyon.

Only kind of challenge fat fuck likes is to prove he can get kicked out of a chinese buffet

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yes, we know...only good news is true.

The clown insisted it was the worse economy since the great depression, so he knew it was bad, but it isn't as bad as the Great Depression. Now he claims ignorance.

Those aren't mutually exclusive statements. It turns out Vette, that words mean things.

 

[bra_man69]

Those aren't mutually exclusive statements. It turns out Vette, that words mean things.

When you going use your coach alt again it's ben while.

 

[mercury14]

Yes, we know...only good news is true.

The clown insisted it was the worse economy since the great depression, so he knew it was bad, but it isn't as bad as the Great Depression. Now he claims ignorance.

Okay then I will use your own chart against you. Look at the 'without stimulus' line. That's how bad they thought the baseline recession was going to be. That's where the error is here.


http://www2.nationalreview.com/dest/2009/12/08/7ce6e1e6b8e8be33912c2fb7883edc14.jpg

 

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[mercury14]

U3 or U6? What does it matter what they thought then, when they now come out and say "nobody knew?"

U3 but the curve in the U6 would probably look very similar.

Who in either party knew the recession was going to be as bad as expected?

 

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[jeninflorida]

Yeah, your health care costs NEVER EVER went up under Reagan, Bush, Clinton or Dubya. But hey, as soon as Obama took office, they skyrocketed.

and what did obama do to lower costs? hum....NOTHING

 

[jeninflorida]

U3 or U6? What does it matter what they thought then, when they now come out and say "nobody knew?"

Clearly Merc was thinking about U2, the band

 

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[jeninflorida]

He added costs to health care premiums.

but its not a tax!

 

[bra_man69]

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/obama-jobs-unemployment-political-cartoon1.jpg