What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?

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[cjh]

I've laid off many people over the years and called them back. It's really quite common. Most union contracts spell out the difference. A layoff does not sever the employees relationship with the company under most labor situations. See below:

http://www.ehow.com/facts_5780639_employee-termination-vs_-layoff.html

It can be short term.

It can be permanent.

You chose to delete the words that would avoid the ambiguity.

 

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[cjh]

Re-read my post and see the link. I said most.

Lots of fraud trials over just that.

That turn out both ways.

What's material?

 

[richard_daily]

I've laid off many people over the years and called them back. It's really quite common. Most union contracts spell out the difference. A layoff does not sever the employees relationship with the company under most labor situations. See below:

http://www.ehow.com/facts_5780639_employee-termination-vs_-layoff.html

You've been laid by lots of guys...

We know.

 

[cjh]

I've laid off many people over the years and called them back. It's really quite common. Most union contracts spell out the difference. A layoff does not sever the employees relationship with the company under most labor situations. See below:

http://www.ehow.com/facts_5780639_employee-termination-vs_-layoff.html

Was this a sign that your business was failing because of poor management?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Was this a sign that your business was failing because of poor management?

Vetteman has said before he was a supervisor at the local equivalent of a Kinkos print shop. Unskilled labor, high turnover. Anyone really believe he oversaw "temporary" layoffs?

 

[Sean Renaud]

I've laid off many people over the years and called them back. It's really quite common. Most union contracts spell out the difference. A layoff does not sever the employees relationship with the company under most labor situations. See below:

http://www.ehow.com/facts_5780639_employee-termination-vs_-layoff.html

Learn something new everyday. Thanks.

I've only been part of one union and I was a part of it for a whopping three months during which I learned two major things. People are stupid as shit at times and I vastly prefer working alone. Not because I don't like people but because I found that I really dislike stupid arbitrary rules that accomplish terribly little other than mucking up the process.

 

[koalabear]

Ken was a fraud, but I can't get over him and still love him!

I've been laid by lots of guys, Ken was the best.

I know.

I miss Ken too!

 

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[cjh]

Wow.

I never weighed in either way with Karen Krafts character. Pro or con.

Miles sure did.

Garby did too.

What do you think of that?

 

[cjh]

No, it was in fact an opportunity to demonstrate good management technique in the face of economic downturns resulting in lower sales volume. Being a private enterprise instead of a government entity, we of course had to live to a bottom line that demands that labor be fully absorbed by sales, and of course when it isn't a company has to liquidate assets, in this case people.

Okay.

Good move on Chevrolet's part.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[koalabear]

Wow.

I never weighed in either way with Karen Krafts character. Pro or con.

Miles sure did.

Garby did too.

What do you think of that?

It's about time you came out of the closet.

 

[Sean Renaud]

In a union layoff situation you have the right of recall and maintain seniority for the purpose of recall, the last one out being the first on called back.

Like I said I had never heard the term used that way before. I didn't say you were lying I genuinely had never heard the term used in that way before. Though unless everybody can't find work I question how many people are actually recalled and go back but that's an entirely different subject all together.

 

[cjh]

It's about time you came out of the closet.

That does not offend me however you spin it.

I may be gay.

I may be bi.

I may be straight.

I have people I love in each category.

And I am happy with which I am.

 

[garbage can]

Wow.

I never weighed in either way with Karen Krafts character. Pro or con.

Miles sure did.

Garby did too.

What do you think of that?

But C-jack, you knew I was against the butchering of Karen Kraft.

 

[cjh]

But C-jack, you knew I was against the butchering of Karen Kraft.

Yes.

You are usually very civil.

It is a good quality.

 

[Sean Renaud]

So they are technically unemployed for the five weeks correct? I'm asking because suddenly this sounds some odd combination of dumb and taking advantage of the system. Let me see if I understand this properly. In order to cut costs and maximize profits Chevrolet is going to lay off 1300 workers. These workers whom otherwise would have had to get employed elsewhere because most of us don't have five weeks worth of savings if our income magically dries up are instead for the most part going to take a five week vacation. That vacation will be paid for by the tax paying public in the form of unemployment benefits and what not and then after the five weeks the Chevrolet will effectively rehire them at their old positions? I understand taking advantage of the system that's available and that it's perfectly legal but to me that sounds like bullshit coated bullshit that a company can do that. I get that there is no work for them to do until the factor is through being refitted or whatever their doing to it but it seems to me that those workers if they're needed should be seen as the responsibility of the company not something you can drop off at Uncle Sams for a month and then come back when it's convienent.

 

[cjh]

But for the lack of paragraphs, yes.

If you read Vetteman's post above, you will understand why that is smart capitalism.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I didn't say it wasn't smart. I said I don't like that we have a system set up that encourages this kind of behavior. Either the workers are necessary and the upkeep for them should land on the employer or they aren't necessary and they should start looking for employment elsewhere.

Unemployment, at least my understanding of it, was set up to give people time to find a new job possible train for a new job after losing one. It was never really meant to be something your on long term but that's just a function of how many jobs are available. The idea wasn't to lower costs for businesses by giving them a place to dump workers when it's inconvienent to have them around.

Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. Sure not doing exactly this would be stupid from a company stand point.

 

[richard_daily]

No, it was in fact an opportunity to demonstrate good management technique in the face of economic downturns resulting in lower sales volume. Being a private enterprise instead of a government entity, we of course had to live to a bottom line that demands that labor be fully absorbed by sales, and of course when it isn't a company has to liquidate assets, in this case people.

What a crock of shit.

 

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[Sean Renaud]

A crock of shit to those who have no management experience whatsoever.

What's your personal moral stance on this practice? I understand from a practical point that you use the system around you to your advantage and if you don't your competitors will and you'll (likely) go out of business. So I get that it's the same way that someone can say they want a given loop hole closed or raise taxes while still taking advantage of said loop hole and not just write a check to the government. It doesn't work if everybody doesn't do it.

I would think that someone who's as hard on socialism as you are would be morally against basically passing your operating expenses off to the government while you renovate. Note I'm talking about Chevy right now not your company where it was due to poor sales, not you needing to fix your store to do something different.

 

[koalabear]

That does not offend me however you spin it.

I may be gay.

I may be bi.

I may be straight.

I have people I love in each category.

And I am happy with which I am.

Then admit you are a lib pereg.