What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?

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The Difference Between Planning and Social Engineering

Henry Lamb

Planning:

About ten miles beyond the Libertyville city limit is a farm owned by Grandpa Jones. The farm has been in the Jones family for three generations, but now all the Jones kids are grown and have moved away. Grandpa Jones has decided to sell his 1,600-acre farm and retire. He made a deal with ABC Developers to sell the farm for $1.6 million, subject to approval of ABC's subdivision plan by the Planning Commission.

ABC presented the plan for "Pleasant Acres" to the Planning Commission. It proposed changing the zoning of 1,400 acres from agriculture to residential, and 200 acres to commercial. It dedicated 100 acres to the county school board, which would be held for ten years for the school board to purchase at the same price ABC originally paid for the property. It proposed a final build-out of 3,250 homes (2.5 homes per acre). It proposed a shopping center for the 200 acres zoned commercial.

The Planning Commission met and determined that the highway to Pleasant Acres would have to be widened, water and sewer lines extended, and utilities upgraded, at a substantial cost to the county. Currently, the Jones farm produced annual tax revenue paid by a single owner at the lowest county rate. Should the plan be approved, the same property would produce tax revenue paid by more than 3,000 owners at the residential and commercial rates. The increase in tax revenue would far more than justify the county's investment in road and utility upgrades. The project would also bring new jobs to the community. The plan was approved.

Social Engineering:

About ten miles beyond Greenville's city limit is a farm owned by Grandpa Smith. The farm has been in the Smith family for three generations, but now all the Smith kids are grown and have moved away. Grandpa Smith has decided to sell his 1,600-acre farm and retire. He made a deal with ABC Developers to sell the farm for $1.6 million, subject to approval of ABC's subdivision plan by the Planning Commission.

ABC presented the plan for "Green Acres" to the Greenville Planning Commission. It proposed changing the zoning of 1,400 acres from agriculture to residential, and 200 acres to commercial. It dedicated 100 acres to the county school board, which would be held for ten years for the school board to purchase at the same price ABC originally paid for the property. It proposed a final build-out of 3,250 homes (2.5 homes per acre). It proposed a shopping center for the 200-acres zoned commercial.

The Planning Commission met. The County's comprehensive land use plan includes an Urban Boundary Zone that falls just inside the Jones farm, and utilities cannot be extended to the entire proposed subdivision. The county's land use plan requires that 20% of the total land area of the proposed development be dedicated to the county for public use. This same rule is specified by the Memphis, Shelby County Unified Plan (18:20). Moreover, the county's comprehensive land use plan overlay designates 500 acres of the best river-bottom land on the Smith farm as a Natural Resource Protection Area where no construction or disturbance may occur, similar to a provision of the Collier County, Florida comprehensive plan (at 5:30). The county's "open space" provision in the county plan allows only one structure per 40 acres on the remaining land; Houston County, Minnesota has a similar requirement in its plan. This means that ABC Developers could build only 28 new houses on the remaining 1,100 acres.

The project would not be economically viable. ABC abandoned the project. No new tax revenue for the county; no new jobs for the local economy. No retirement income for Grandpa Smith, and no way for him to get the real value of his land because the county's codes have stripped the land of its value. The county has taken the value of the land, but not the land itself; therefore, the county owes Grandpa nothing.

This is social engineering.


Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012...ing_and_social_engineering.html#ixzz1k6lAEgWT
 
I couldn't think of more damning testimony to his cluelessness, nor greater endorsement of her commentary.

What's funny is to compare the two links Throb provided (because he cannot use his own words without unleashing a conscious stream of venal invective) for his economic recovery proof, USA Today and The NY Times. The second was an exact duplicate of the first stripped of the "on the other hand" news, so readers of the Times have a very rosy view, understandably so, of the current state of the economy.

If it turns out not to be true, well, then it was Republican Obstruction.

The Times is the news fit to print!

:)
 
Please do!

Yessssss.....let's look at the positive facts presented by Rob's mainstream press articles this week.

Compare those facts to the slew of doomy and gloomy opinion pieces in political niche publications offered by AJ during his inevitable rebuttal.
 
Page 1 stuff sounds like page 525

Let's see....gasoline.....if memory serves me correctly, last summer it was around $4 a gallon. I paid $2.24 a gallon this morning.

Good point!

The unemployment rate is leveling off. Monthly job losses aren't nearly as high as they were.

The deficit is bigger, it takes money to recover from the economic malfeasance that got us where we were at the end of last year.

Ditto for the debt..

Gasoline is down by 30% over last summer's high of over $4 per gallon.

Are you going to actually answer any of the questions I asked or just ignore them and pose your own questions instead?

Why are gas prices, which you proclaimed as low yesterday so high if it's not inflation?
 
The Times ought to be known as the Adjustment Bureau with the motto: "Here we align the truth with the liberal agenda."

Ah, the old "but...but...the NY Times is biased! BIASED!" non-defense.

The last refuge of bitter rightwingers who cannot refudiate a proven fact.

Also, you cybered a dude.
 
page 7 11-11-09

Still hoping against hope that the economy fails I see Cap'n Echochamber. :rolleyes:

Dow is still hovering around 10K. Still no sign of inflation. The Consumer spending index hit a 2 year high in September, up 11.6% over the previous month. Real wages are up 4.8% from a year ago.

When do you suppose that commerical real estate crash is going to happen? Next month? 6 months from now? I keep hearing that it's coming from the "right", but no ideas as to when.

Hedging your bets?

First time I was accused of "hoping against the economy."

To this point I had said nothing much about anything other than the daily facts. You can look, I just did.

;) ;)
 
Reading the Tea Leaves

At this point, the only thing we have to ponder is, will a loss of Congress shake Obama from his Marxist principles and force him to the center ala Bill Clinton, or will he step aside in the '12 election as he recently hinted at and just go out and make money and rail against the Republicans?

*chuckle*

Railing it is!


:D :D :D
 
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The 'right' just keeps hoping against hope for failure.

How patriotic.. ;)

Meanwhile Black Friday sales were strong, property values are on the rise again, Leading Economic Indicators have been up for more than 6 months running..

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Page 10 11-29

We've just turned the corner. ;) ;)
 
First time I was accused of "hoping against the economy."

To this point I had said nothing much about anything other than the daily facts. You can look, I just did.

;) ;)

American Thinker editorials are not "facts", no matter how fervently you really really want them to be.

I think this may be one of the prime causes of our many disagreements.
 
The Dow is still over 10K and despite all of the doom and gloom being bandied about the economy is recovering. Businesses are seeing increased productivity and orders. Nine straight months of increases in the LEI.

Keep hoping against hope for the worst to happen though.

Such Patriotism..

:rolleyes:

02-02-10 Page 12 - Still hasn't asked me what I expected!

How many times since this turn of the corner did the DOW hit 10K?

:D :D :D
 
From your own link..

It seems the obstructionism of the minority has had some impact as well huh little bear?

"We suspect the absolute gridlock in Washington also depressed consumers," said Bernard Baumohl, chief economist at the Economic Outlook Group in Princeton, N.J..

"Rather than seek some common ground on health care and financial reforms, both political parties demonstrated legislative incompetence and ideological rigidity. The constant bickering and lack of progress in the nation's capital doesn't engender much optimism among households."

As if you need a single Republican vote to pass your agenda. Remember how you were going to run us out of the country and take over and get 'er done?

Still in February...

As we see, scream obstruction early and often!

:D
 
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