What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I read his book. He said nothing of the sort. You are a liar.

Read it again dumbass...




He clearly points out that he had won the hearts and minds of the people who counted.

 

[mercury14]

Most of the costs of the war actually go to pay somebody for some product or service, so the people paying taxes argument is no different than for the stimulus.

So you're saying the stimulus went into the private sector as intended? You're officially at odds with every other righty whack job here.[/QUOTE]

And ("but wait, there's more...") the CBO report was made before the updated forecast of troop strength. They assume we'd still above 75,000 troops until 2013. Oops.

Could be slightly less. But not by much.

You keep shifting between "Iraq" and "Iraq plus Afghanistan"...Oh, snap!

As I posted for Iraq only: the total costs of the Iraq War on the US economy will be three trillion dollars in a moderate scenario, and possibly more in the most recent published study, published in March 2008.[11] Stiglitz has stated: "The figure we arrive at is more than $3 trillion. Our calculations are based on conservative assumptions

And the guy who comes up with $3T only does that by making estimates of the total cost to society of $7 millions per person killed. This is a crazy way to calculate the cost of something. Imagine if we did that with the 1 million abortions annually. We'd have a total abortion cost of $7 trillion annually. Do you really want to go there?

This guy's method includes economic impact which you refuse to acknowledge. Such as the price of oil being much higher due to the war. The price of oil hits everything we buy. It's like a huge tax on our lives that was dramatically raised by the war. And for some reason you continue to refuse to account for veteran's care.



Regardless, what you said about the total costs being similar because the base costs are the same is utterly untrue. The base costs are massively different when you include costs beyond simple war ops (which you must).

 

[mercury14]

Here you go:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44237000/gif/_44237249_war_costs_2_203.gif

 

[mercury14]

Link to where I have advocated such nonsense.

This is what Liberals do when they don't have an answer in a dialog; they lash out at strawmen...

That's why I said half of you.

Do you ever read the GB?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

You are ignoring the main point of our rebuttal that while you inflate the actual cost of the "injured" with future costs, you hold constant the cost of the deficits ignoring their future cost.






Throb, you're lying about having read Zinni's book.

That's TWO lies in one morning, but that's about the only way you can get my attention anymore, and you NEED me because everyone else has your fat lily-white Leftist ass on ignore.

I'm not about to put you on ignore so that you can revert to your usual tactic of claiming the wingers don't want to have a civil discussion so they put you on ignore when you get nasty and start making personal remarks about how you want to rape their children...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

That's why I said half of you.

Do you ever read the GB?

It's not even half dumbass.

It's busybody and half-a-dozen hate Obama trolls who only showed up after his election and should be ignored by everyone of reason and faculty.

The fact that you would use them goes to questioning your reason and faculty, not mine.

I choose to ignore them.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Link to where I have advocated such nonsense.

This is what Liberals do when they don't have an answer in a dialog; they lash out at strawmen...

Classic example of conservitard avoidance. Mercury said "some people claimed xxx"
AJ responds that HE himself personally didn't claim xxx so Mercury's premise is invalid.


Another day, another logical fallacy from AJ, a man who claims to have a college degree in mathmatics (sic) and logic.

 

[mercury14]

You are ignoring the main point of our rebuttal that while you inflate the actual cost of the "injured" with future costs, you hold constant the cost of the deficits ignoring their future cost.

Even if the figure for Veteran's Care/deaths is inflated....

Wait...

Even if the figure is nonexistent, the cost of the Iraq war is still far greater than the cost of the stimulus.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Read it again dumbass...

He clearly points out that he had won the hearts and minds of the people who counted.

That's an altogether different claim from "blaming Clinton", Mr. Weasel.

You lied about that.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Even if the figure for Veteran's Care/deaths is inflated....

Wait...

Even if the figure is nonexistent, the cost of the Iraq war is still far greater than the cost of the stimulus.

No it's not. You've been shown that...

If you're going to figure in things like that, then you have to also figure all the ancillary costs of the stimulus, like the cost of long-term 9% unemployment.

You have to compare apples to apples or oranges to oranges.

What I posted the first time was true in actual "spending."

Then you went to adding on costs that were a result of the spending, but in a lop-sided fashion.

...

Throb, I see that you cannot back up your lies so you continue to fling poo and scream about logical fallacies, and area in which you have repeatedly proved yourself to be very weak in.

Back up your lies.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

That's an altogether different claim from "blaming Clinton", Mr. Weasel.

You lied about that.

He showed that Bill Clinton's decisions cost Somalia.



It's an indirect indictment of Clinton.


You're so fucking stupid.

You lied.

 

[jeninflorida]

He showed that Bill Clinton's decisions cost Somalia.



It's an indirect indictment of Clinton.


You're so fucking stupid.

You lied.

Oh come on Clinton is a great military leader…he launched how many cruise missiles? That took skill, no?

 

[RobDownSouth]

AJ the master dissembler!

He showed that Bill Clinton's decisions cost Somalia.

It's an indirect indictment of Clinton.

You're so fucking stupid.

You lied.

Some world class damage control going on in your post there, McWeasel.

First you claimed Zinni blamed Clinton for Al Queda.

I called you out on your lie.

Now all of a sudden, you've shifted to Somalia and "indirect indictments", and declarin' victory.

We'll never hit a movin' target like you, nossir.

What's next, AJ? "It was a metaphor!" ?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

And he actually hit those empty camps and aspirin factories!




The Chinese Embassy too!!!


Then they knocked one of our spy planes outta da sky and mimicked the cries of "ACCIDENT!"

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Throb.




You've made your point, you're an idiot with selective reading skills seeing what you wanted to see instead of what I inferred in a reply to someone NOT YOU...

But, you need me. Everyone else has your lies and ignorance on, well, on ignore, the root word of your frustration.

Maybe if you didn't want to molest our children, people would actually give you the time of day..

 

[jeninflorida]

oh come on now....
Rob went down once.... believes in government…obama government…that is clear. Don’t you dare go against obama, he is a living “legion”, master of the human race, and defenders of the poor. Obama wants to take care of the little person, as long it the money comes from YOUR wallet and not obama’s…after all obama worked hard on that book and he DESERVES to keep all 10 million, it’s the evil upper class that must pay but obama isn’t part of that group as obama is offering his service to the government….

Oh wait, obama is getting paid rather well (and will enjoy a very comfortable life) so how is it…that what obama does, is called a service?

Throb.




You've made your point, you're an idiot with selective reading skills seeing what you wanted to see instead of what I inferred in a reply to someone NOT YOU...

But, you need me. Everyone else has your lies and ignorance on, well, on ignore, the root word of your frustration.

Maybe if you didn't want to molest our children, people would actually give you the time of day..

 

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[jeninflorida]

mommie issues? like maybe his mom was Carrie (steven kings vers)?

RotundDownSouth is a victim of a self imposed selective input. He has a sick desire to attack our children and saw off the boobs of the conservative females here. Who knows why?

 

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[jeninflorida]

so when will Obama/Gibbs/Pelosi start to bash corporate america for not spending?

how dare corporate america not take part of spend baby spend

When he wet the bed she probably rubbed his nose in it and told him if he didn't man up he'd grow up to be a Democrat, but still, no use painting all all conservative women with the same brush.

 

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[mercury14]

No it's not. You've been shown that...

If you're going to figure in things like that, then you have to also figure all the ancillary costs of the stimulus, like the cost of long-term 9% unemployment.

You have to compare apples to apples or oranges to oranges.

What I posted the first time was true in actual "spending."

Then you went to adding on costs that were a result of the spending, but in a lop-sided fashion.

...

Throb, I see that you cannot back up your lies so you continue to fling poo and scream about logical fallacies, and area in which you have repeatedly proved yourself to be very weak in.

Back up your lies.

What's wrong with you?

The base cost of just "making war" is going to surpass the cost of the stimulus sometime this year. And yes, you do have to add in all the indirect costs. When you add in medical expenses alone, the Iraq war surpassed the stimulus in cost a while back.

If you're going to figure in things like that, then you have to also figure all the ancillary costs of the stimulus, like the cost of long-term 9% unemployment.

Huh? The cost of the stimulus is 9% unemployment? How does that logic work? The CBO puts jobs saved by the stimulus at like 2.2 million. That would be something you subtract from the overall cost, since that's a couple million more people getting taxed. If we're getting into these kinds of calculations then the cost of the Iraq war surpassed the cost of the stimulus long ago.

 

[mercury14]

And he actually hit those empty camps and aspirin factories!




The Chinese Embassy too!!!


Then they knocked one of our spy planes outta da sky and mimicked the cries of "ACCIDENT!"

We have a propeller from that plane in our office.

 

[firespin]

Here you go:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44237000/gif/_44237249_war_costs_2_203.gif

You realize that chart (and those estimates) are put out by the Democratic house members, right?

Or maybe not, you don't seem to get stuff like that.

 

[mercury14]

You realize that chart (and those estimates) are put out by the Democratic house members, right?

Or maybe not, you don't seem to get stuff like that.

Even if it's a distortion by 300%, which it's not, it still shows that the Iraq war has a far greater cost than the stimulus.