What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?

[fuckwaffle]

In socialism the people share means of production, ownership, management, and labor in the economy. It has nothing to do with paying people to not engage in these things. You really should learn basic terminology before talking.

Okay, then you're an elitist freeloader, riding the backs of the producers.

 

[jeninflorida]

again, you and the others fail to see the big picture. No wonder America is in a recession and many jobs are moving to China as American's are stupid

something i picked up elsewhere. romney pro jobs? no, more like, make his rich corporate cronies even richer.


Google Freeport, Illinois on the internet and you will find the most recent shipment of 170 jobs plus the whole plants equipment that's being sent to China this month. Romney owns 51% of Bain Capitol; he has over 8 million dollars invested in this corporation that is moving jobs and companies to China. This was also written about in the New York Times in the last week or so and on several of the major news shows. This company was purchased 2 years ago before Romney was ever running for president and the workers were told at that time that everything would be moved to China by the end of 2012. They even had to train Chinese workers how to run the machinery. These Chinese workers will be paid a $1.00 an hour working under shitty conditions . This is 170 families being put on unemployment, food stamps, medicaid etc, due to no fault of their own other than being employees of a very profitable company that will be even more profitable in China. This is just the most recent out sourcing of american jobs to China, by Romney and Bain; there has been thousands if you want to take the time and research. Just think if you are making probably billions by investing in a foreign country are you going to get tough on that country and lose your income and investments??

 

[mercury14]

Okay, then you're an elitist freeloader, riding the backs of the producers.

Really? What program do I freeload off of?

 

[Sean Renaud]

He took an oath to support and defend the Constitution, and bear true faith and allegiance to the same; but as we continue to see he'll support presidential actions that expand the powers of government to impose economic solutions on the civil society that threaten our liberty and our property; solutions never contemplated by the founders.

The Constitution only matters when it matters, that's just how both parties and most American's function. So you can drop that. And who gives a shit what the Founders contemplated. They were smart, brilliant even but a far cry from psychic soothe sayers who had any clue what it would take to keep America prosperous in in the 21st century.

It's funny, people only bring these things up when they don't have a REAL argument to make.

 

[fuckwaffle]

Really? What program do I freeload off of?

Do tell.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Sean Renaud]

See, no real argument.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Sean Renaud]

There is no rational argument to the irrational premises you love to advance Sean. What can one do with a child splashing his rubber duck in the tub but back up.

It's a perfectly rational premise. You only care about the Constitution when it agrees with you. When it doesn't you could careless that it exists.

Where were you when the Occupy movement was being pepper sprayed?
Where were you with Gitmo?
Why don't I hear you saying we should stay out of Iran's affairs?
Why don't I hear you crying about the Patriot Act?
Where is your equal protection for gays and women?

They don't exist because the Constitution to you is a weapon to be wielded not a contract to be honored.

What did the Founding Father's know about the internet? About nuclear weapons? About airplanes?

If you think the answers to any of these are NOTHING then perhaps we shouldn't accept their opinion on everything as the final word. Maybe we should, and I know this is difficult for Republicans like you, think for ourselves and come to our own conclusions about how we should live.

I'm ready to act like an adult are you ready to stop playing with Rubber Ducky or should I go get you a bottle of Mr. Bubbles?

 

[phrodeau]

The rubber ducky is probably from China. Mr. Bubbles is an American company.

 

[jeninflorida]

The rubber ducky is probably from China. Mr. Bubbles is an American company.

and why is it, that your obama invested in "Green" energy companies....most went under after giving obama a kick back, one was sold to China and the other Russia.

interesting

 

[unregistered]

 

[fuckwaffle]

...

What did the Founding Father's know about the internet? About nuclear weapons? About airplanes?

...

They knew nothing of the things you mention, but they did know about communication, weapons of war and transportation.

 

[Sean Renaud]

and why is it, that your obama invested in "Green" energy companies....most went under after giving obama a kick back, one was sold to China and the other Russia.

interesting

They didn't, you're a liar. It's that fucking simple.

They knew nothing of the things you mention, but they did know about communication, weapons of war and transportation.

Their ideas of communication, weapons of war and transportation are so radically different from modern reality that many of their opinions are completely obsolete.

 

[garbage can]

They didn't, you're a liar. It's that fucking simple.
.

What did Jen lie about?

Or do you figure it was an all encompassing lie?

 

[Busybody]

What did Jen lie about?

Or do you figure it was an all encompassing lie?

nothing

they just scream

lie

idiot

racist

like a reetard

 

[jeninflorida]

They didn't, you're a liar. It's that fucking simple.



Their ideas of communication, weapons of war and transportation are so radically different from modern reality that many of their opinions are completely obsolete.

google it dipshit! once again, you lose. but hey, at least you are good at doing that!

 

[richard_daily]

Okay, then you're an elitist freeloader, riding the backs of the producers.

The producers are the ones whose jobs are getting shipped overseas by "people" like Romney and Bain Capital.

 

[richard_daily]

It's a perfectly rational premise. You only care about the Constitution when it agrees with you. When it doesn't you could careless that it exists.

Where were you when the Occupy movement was being pepper sprayed?
Where were you with Gitmo?
Why don't I hear you saying we should stay out of Iran's affairs?
Why don't I hear you crying about the Patriot Act?
Where is your equal protection for gays and women?

They don't exist because the Constitution to you is a weapon to be wielded not a contract to be honored.

What did the Founding Father's know about the internet? About nuclear weapons? About airplanes?

If you think the answers to any of these are NOTHING then perhaps we shouldn't accept their opinion on everything as the final word. Maybe we should, and I know this is difficult for Republicans like you, think for ourselves and come to our own conclusions about how we should live.

I'm ready to act like an adult are you ready to stop playing with Rubber Ducky or should I go get you a bottle of Mr. Bubbles?

Damn, you bitch slapped the shit out of that old man, and he just stood there and took it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

What did Jen lie about?

Or do you figure it was an all encompassing lie?

I don't think Jen ever tells the truth. But if you want the specifics.

She lied about the majority of Green companies that Obama has invested in went out of business. That's simply a lie and she's been informed of this enough times that she's no longer mistaken, she's lying.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/22/news/economy/obama-energy-bankruptcies/index.html Even according to Mitt Romney it's only about half, and only about half if your talking specifically about the first two years of the 1705 loan. So by no measure is it the majority no matter how you slice it.

There's the link Jen, even the Republican Presidential Candidate's statements prove your full of shit.

I can't find much on these supposed kick backs. I heard rumors that many of the companies that got the loans were Obama supporters and supposedly even campaign donors. I don't think any proof ever came about for that but oh well, he wouldn't be the first person to help out a friend and he won't be the last. If you want fix that start working getting money out of politics, otherwise kindly STFU.

I can't find anything on them getting sold to Russia or China, perhaps they did. Knowing Jen though she just picked the two countries we're afraid of and didn't even stop to think that if they want it, the last thing we should do is let them have it.

 

[phrodeau]

again, you and the others fail to see the big picture. No wonder America is in a recession and many jobs are moving to China as American's are stupid

and why is it, that your obama invested in "Green" energy companies....most went under after giving obama a kick back, one was sold to China and the other Russia.

interesting

nothing

they just scream

lie

idiot

racist

like a reetard

google it dipshit! once again, you lose. but hey, at least you are good at doing that!

You might just have a better chance of convincing people that you're right if you wrote your posts in proper English.

Take a course, and try it for a change.

 

[fuckwaffle]

The producers are the ones whose jobs are getting shipped overseas by "people" like Romney and Bain Capital.

Or destroyed by Obamaloney. You do know he hate America and American's? In fact he probably hates you more than me cause you're kissing his ass.

 

[richard_daily]

Or destroyed by Obamaloney. You do know he hate America and American's? In fact he probably hates you more than me cause you're kissing his ass.

What has Obama done to destroy jobs in America? Be specific.

If you're capable of pulling it off (I have sincere doubts), I can be specific about what Romney has done to destroy jobs in America.

 

[Busybody]

COINTELPRO Techniques for Dilution, Misdirection and Control of an Internet Forum





We have repeatedly addressed the topic of disruption of logical debate on the Internet.

An anonymous writer posted an important new report on disruption at Pastebin. It is in the style of a leaked law enforcement memo, although we cannot vouch for its authenticity as a document produced by a whistleblower. However, we have seen these techniques repeatedly used to disrupt Internet debate, and so - even if only copying the style of a real memo - it contains valuable information which all web user should know.

COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum.

There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'

Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'

If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.

Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'

A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'

Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'

Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.

Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'

Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.

Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'

Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.

Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'

It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.

CONCLUSION

Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ.

 

[richard_daily]

It's a specific kind of irony, when a cracker like busybody posts something about COINTELPRO.