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I know... Then their PAC collapsed when their founding principle of Obamacare being unconstitutional was proven wrong. Their PAC's website which has been dead for nearly a year is still accepting money though.
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I know... Then their PAC collapsed when their founding principle of Obamacare being unconstitutional was proven wrong. Their PAC's website which has been dead for nearly a year is still accepting money though.
Is that, you know, legal? Cus if it is fuck it. I'm gonna get some friends together and make some videos about how Obama is the anti-christ and buy a fucking house. Well a set to film future videos in.
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Is that, you know, legal? Cus if it is fuck it. I'm gonna get some friends together and make some videos about how Obama is the anti-christ and buy a fucking house. Well a set to film future videos in.
Their PAC is a 501(c)(4) organization.
- They can back anything they wish, as long as they can provide the vaguest reasoning that it promotes "social welfare".
- This type of organization was created for groups to organize on a neighborhood or municipality level but the legal wording was so shoddy that PACs are permitted to ignore the entire intent - Thank you Citizens United!
- Everything donated to them is tax-deductible as long as the group focuses on trashing the other side's political figure. If they mention that they back their own side's leaders/candidates though it becomes a taxable thing all of the sudden. So there's a literal financial incentive to go all-negative.
- The intent of 501(c)(4) organizations was to better a neighborhood through recreational activities and charity. But again, the law was written so shoddily that [insert any political stance] qualifies.
- Donors and funders are kept secret. This is the type of 501(c) organization that people from across the political spectrum complain about being shadow influence, shadow money, etc. They're far less transparent than even SuperPACs. Basically this kind of organization takes money from secret donors and funnels money into congressional lobbying, effectively laundering political donations and buying influence with secret untraceable money. The result is that our elected officials are under the sway of someone but it's difficult to tell exactly who.
Yeah both sides do it but conservative 501(c)s vastly outnumber and outsize liberal ones. It's corrupt, anti-democratic, opaque, and un-American.
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Sounds very American to me. Your gubmint has been run by the money men since the Boston Tea Party.
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you made that up............SHOW ME IF YOU CAN!
just like your President and your side made up that the NRA spent $$$ to defeat the bill
when Bloomberg spent 4 times as much!
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Better to fix the WHY people think obamacare is a "trainwreck" rather than to waste another $8m on pr. http://freebeacon.com/a-tough-sell/
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POLITICO: Taxes: President Obama’s budget would hit middle class.
HuffPo: Obama Budget Plan Results In ‘Back Door’ Tax Increase For Middle-Class Households: Analysis.
Hey, remember that pledge not to raise taxes on people making less than $250,000? Me neither.
HuffPo: Obama Budget Plan Results In ‘Back Door’ Tax Increase For Middle-Class Households: Analysis.
Hey, remember that pledge not to raise taxes on people making less than $250,000? Me neither.
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Oh, I remember it. And I remember Republicans using whatever options they could muster to prevent it, despite the overwhelming support of the American people.
Republicans are dragging the country down in every way.
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DUMZ hate sick people
DUMZ hate OLD people
DEATH PANELS!
PCIP: A Responsible Way to Replace and Defund Obamacare
It’s a man-bites-dog story — House Republicans are trying to help the uninsurable under Obamacare, and House Democrats oppose it.
The House of Representatives will soon vote on a bill from the Energy and Commerce Committee to shift almost $4 billion from an Obamacare slush fund to help people with pre-existing medical conditions. House Republicans are trying to help people who cannot obtain insurance, yet every Democrat on the committee voted against it.
Democrats objected because the funding source, the “Prevention and Public Health Fund,” is all about patronage and greasing political wheels, and that is, for them, more important than helping sick Americans. Some of the $10 billion in the slush fund has already been used by Health and Human Services (HHS) to fund local groups lobbying for higher soda taxes and moratoriums on fast-food outlets; it’s also gone to for pet neutering, bike paths, and community-gardening projects. By design, there is no congressional oversight.
The House bill would drain the remaining slush fund to help provide insurance for people with pre-existing medical conditions who are being turned away by the temporary insurance program HHS recently closed to enrollment.
House Republicans are right to ask, “Are not these the very people that President Obama said he wanted to help with Obamacare?”
But HHS, which jealously controls hundreds of billions of dollars in Obamacare funds, objects to being told how to spend this money. House and Senate Democrats, meanwhile, oppose this move because they put a lot of effort into (wrongly) appropriating these monies in the authorization bill for Obamacare, specifically trying to shield these funds from constitutionally defined House budget and taxing authority.
Secretary Sebelius now says that she will also use this slush fund to buy more than $300 million worth of Obamacare TV ads, and to augment another exhausted Obamacare fund meant to pay for the implementation of the health-insurance exchanges. With almost unlimited power to spend money, HHS wants no restraints — even if they’re being directed to help people.
It is notable that House Republicans are more interested in helping the uninsured than the Democrats who tried to cast Obamacare opponents as heartless. Republicans on the Energy and Commerce Committee would prefer a more market-driven, state-based approach, but this is the most silk they can produce out of the sow’s ear. They have put aside their distaste for the economy-killing health-care law to do what is best for the sick.
Among people who all want the president’s bad law repealed, different groups and legislators see different paths to achieve that goal. Members of the Energy and Commerce committee decided that draining this unsupervised and entirely political slush fund was, on balance, a constructive step toward repeal.
Americans with pre-existing medical conditions will certainly agree with House Republicans on this question, but if the fate of other Obamacare slush funds is any indication, they won’t hear about it from the mainstream media. HHS used another $5 billion piggybank, the Early-Retiree Reinsurance Program, to richly subsidize retirement benefits for the nation’s largest corporations, Obama’s union supporters, and newspapers and TV networks. The New York Times, the Washington Post, and even GE (which owns NBC) received millions, but made no disclosure to readers or viewers (the Associated Press, however, did do so).
Notwithstanding the media’s disinterest, more and more Americans are beginning to realize the painful and avoidable flaws forced upon them by Obamacare. The promises made will almost all prove false, and the law’s destructive effects for medicine, the economy, and individuals will become increasingly apparent.
Now, House Republicans who have voted again and again to repeal the coming disaster are showing that they do care about the shortcomings of our health-care system, and are suggesting a more responsible way to address them.
— Ken Hoagland is chairman of Restore America’s Voice, the grassroots-advocacy group that delivered more than 1.6 million petitions demanding repeal of Obamacare
DUMZ hate OLD people
DEATH PANELS!
PCIP: A Responsible Way to Replace and Defund Obamacare
It’s a man-bites-dog story — House Republicans are trying to help the uninsurable under Obamacare, and House Democrats oppose it.
The House of Representatives will soon vote on a bill from the Energy and Commerce Committee to shift almost $4 billion from an Obamacare slush fund to help people with pre-existing medical conditions. House Republicans are trying to help people who cannot obtain insurance, yet every Democrat on the committee voted against it.
Democrats objected because the funding source, the “Prevention and Public Health Fund,” is all about patronage and greasing political wheels, and that is, for them, more important than helping sick Americans. Some of the $10 billion in the slush fund has already been used by Health and Human Services (HHS) to fund local groups lobbying for higher soda taxes and moratoriums on fast-food outlets; it’s also gone to for pet neutering, bike paths, and community-gardening projects. By design, there is no congressional oversight.
The House bill would drain the remaining slush fund to help provide insurance for people with pre-existing medical conditions who are being turned away by the temporary insurance program HHS recently closed to enrollment.
House Republicans are right to ask, “Are not these the very people that President Obama said he wanted to help with Obamacare?”
But HHS, which jealously controls hundreds of billions of dollars in Obamacare funds, objects to being told how to spend this money. House and Senate Democrats, meanwhile, oppose this move because they put a lot of effort into (wrongly) appropriating these monies in the authorization bill for Obamacare, specifically trying to shield these funds from constitutionally defined House budget and taxing authority.
Secretary Sebelius now says that she will also use this slush fund to buy more than $300 million worth of Obamacare TV ads, and to augment another exhausted Obamacare fund meant to pay for the implementation of the health-insurance exchanges. With almost unlimited power to spend money, HHS wants no restraints — even if they’re being directed to help people.
It is notable that House Republicans are more interested in helping the uninsured than the Democrats who tried to cast Obamacare opponents as heartless. Republicans on the Energy and Commerce Committee would prefer a more market-driven, state-based approach, but this is the most silk they can produce out of the sow’s ear. They have put aside their distaste for the economy-killing health-care law to do what is best for the sick.
Among people who all want the president’s bad law repealed, different groups and legislators see different paths to achieve that goal. Members of the Energy and Commerce committee decided that draining this unsupervised and entirely political slush fund was, on balance, a constructive step toward repeal.
Americans with pre-existing medical conditions will certainly agree with House Republicans on this question, but if the fate of other Obamacare slush funds is any indication, they won’t hear about it from the mainstream media. HHS used another $5 billion piggybank, the Early-Retiree Reinsurance Program, to richly subsidize retirement benefits for the nation’s largest corporations, Obama’s union supporters, and newspapers and TV networks. The New York Times, the Washington Post, and even GE (which owns NBC) received millions, but made no disclosure to readers or viewers (the Associated Press, however, did do so).
Notwithstanding the media’s disinterest, more and more Americans are beginning to realize the painful and avoidable flaws forced upon them by Obamacare. The promises made will almost all prove false, and the law’s destructive effects for medicine, the economy, and individuals will become increasingly apparent.
Now, House Republicans who have voted again and again to repeal the coming disaster are showing that they do care about the shortcomings of our health-care system, and are suggesting a more responsible way to address them.
— Ken Hoagland is chairman of Restore America’s Voice, the grassroots-advocacy group that delivered more than 1.6 million petitions demanding repeal of Obamacare
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This article says Republicans should take money from Obamacare and use it to provide health care subsidies.
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Last week conservatives were here bitching about Sibelius not providing enough education about Obamacare. This week they're complaining that Sibelius has been providing the education they want.
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where do it say THAT?
show me
Genius idea! A government program to help people with pre-existing conditions get health care. Republicans are for it and against it at the same time.
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they wanna take money from a SLUSH fund to help OLD SICK PEOPLE the DUMZ wanna KILL!
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Republicans say the roll-out of Obamacare is going to be too rough while also wanting to block the fund that was created to help the roll-out work.
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