What Everyone in the US who uses money Needs to Know

~hellbaby~

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You would never know it by the administration's reckless spending but the US economy is now totally sustained by private foreign money. At a recent book promotion Trent Lott admits the congress has not been fiscally responsible. No Shit. You should read this carefully. Recently an economist said this.
No Time to Panic
Some would argue that plenty of smart guys will see it coming and that their ensuing scramble for gold will push quotes to exorbitant levels. Perhaps. But my fear is that the collapse will unfold so quickly that there will be no time to panic, much less secure one’s assets against the unknowable. Under the circumstances, it’s worth asking what kind of shape you’d be in if you were to awaken on Monday to news that the markets, because of some epic crisis, have shut down indefinitely. To be sure, you’ll be no worse off for having a roll of Krugerrands stashed in a safe deposit box. But as for the rest of your assets, including your home, they may not be worth much in barter. You’d be living from paycheck to paycheck— assuming you were lucky enough to still have a job.

Earlier this week.
Global Imbalances — An assessment
by Raghuram G. Rajan
Economic Counsellor and Director of the IMF's Research Department
Ronald Reagan International Conference Center, Washington, DC
Tuesday, October 25, 2005

Good morning. The IMF in its latest World Economic Outlook has projected global growth of about 4.3 percent for 2005 and the same for 2006. Even though the overall growth is slightly above trend, there are a number of developments concern us.

These include the excessive dependence of global growth on unsustainable processes in the United States and to a lesser extent in China, the elevated level of asset prices, particularly housing, and the high and volatile price of oil. The downside risks to our forecast are thus considerable.
These varied concerns come together in the growing global imbalances.
The picture is familiar to most of you. The United States is running a current account deficit approaching 6 1/4 percent of its GDP this year and over 1.5 percent of world GDP. And to finance it, the United States needs to pull in 70 percent of all global capital flows. While the deficit is still increasing, the location of the surplus countries is changing. The current account surpluses of the oil-exporting countries of the Middle East have now surpassed those of emerging Asia, which were already quite high. Unlike those who view the imbalances as mirroring a savings glut, I see the problem as the world is investing too little. The current situation has its roots in a series of crises over the last decade that were caused by excessive investment, such as the Japanese asset bubble, the crises in Emerging Asia and Latin America, and most recently, the IT bubble. Investment has fallen off sharply since, with only very cautious recovery.
This is particularly true of emerging Asia and Japan.

The policy response to the slowdown in investment has differed across countries. In the industrial countries, accommodative policies such as expansionary budgets and low interest rates have led to consumption- or credit-fuelled growth, particularly in Anglo-Saxon countries. Government savings have fallen, especially in the U.S. and Japan, and household savings have virtually disappeared in some countries with housing booms.

By contrast, the crises were a wake-up call in a number of emerging market countries. Historically lax policies have been tightened, with some countries running primary fiscal surpluses for the first time, and most bringing down inflation through tight monetary policy.
With corporations cautious about investing and governments prudent about expenditure-especially given the grandiose projects of the past-exports have led growth and savings have built up. Many emerging markets have run current account surpluses for the first time. In emerging Asia, a corollary has been to build up international reserves.


Some call this a new world order. I see the situation as a temporary but effective response to crisis. It is somewhat misleading to term this situation a "savings glut" for that would imply that countries running current account surpluses should reduce domestic incentives to save. But if the true problem is investment restraint, then a reduction in world savings incentives will engender excessively high real interest rates when the factors holding back investment dissipate. The world now needs two kinds of transitions.
First, consumption has to give way smoothly to investment, as past excess capacity is worked off and as expansionary policies in industrial countries return to normal. Second, to reduce the current account imbalances that have built up, demand has to shift from countries running deficits to countries running surpluses.

There are reasons to worry whether the needed transitions will take place smoothly. First, we need more investment, especially in low-income countries, emerging markets, and oil producers. China is an exception in needing less, not more, investment. The easy way to get more investment is a low-quality investment binge led by the government or fuelled by easy credit-emerging market countries are only too well aware of the pitfall of that approach. The harder, and correct, way is through product, labor, and especially financial market reforms, which will ensure that high-quality investment emerges. However, and somewhat paradoxically, the emphasis that some governments have placed on strong exports and sound monetary and fiscal policies may have caused them to neglect the structural reforms that would have strengthened investment and helped sustain domestic demand. As a result, these countries are overly dependent on demand from other countries.

Moreover, the absence of such reforms limits the rate of return on investment in those countries and prevents capital flowing from aging rich countries to younger developing countries. This must change.

Second, easy financial conditions and trade may have allowed economies more rope so that traditional signals like inflation, interest rates, and exchange rates have not guided transitions thus far. But while more rope allows one to drift further, adjustments when one reaches the end of the tether tend to be abrupt. Perhaps the central concern has to be about consumption growth in the United States, which has been holding up the world economy. Higher energy prices in the United States could eat into disposable incomes and consumer confidence, leading to an abrupt fall in consumption. Another risk is that the higher energy prices start to feed more permanently into inflation and inflationary expectations, which have remained well anchored so far, causing the Fed to tighten either faster or further.
This would have several negative effects. First, it could mean higher interest payments for households, reducing available income for consumption. Second, more broadly, it could put a lid on house price growth. For several years now, the wealth gains for increased home equity have been a strong support to consumer spending. Lastly, it could hinder investment just when it should be taking over as the source of growth from consumption. Thus my greatest worry is not that U.S consumption will slow-it has to because it is being fuelled by unsustainable forces. My worry is that it will slow abruptly, taking away a major support from world growth before other supports are in place.

A second concern has to be about the financing of the U.S. current account deficit. If it narrows slowly, will foreign investors continue to buy U.S. assets without hiccups for the time it takes for the real side to adjust?
Let us look at the composition of capital flows into the United States for some clues to the answer. Overall, the bulk of U.S. assets sold to foreigners are still to the private sector. This may come as a surprise to some of you who believe that the U.S. current account deficit is being financed by foreign central banks. The reality is that while the foreign official sector has increased its purchases, it still only amounts to less than one-third of the total inflows into the United States. So where is the rest going if, as was the case till recently, foreign central banks were putting in enough to nearly match the deficit? The answer is that it comes out again as U.S. investors buy foreign assets.

It is therefore entirely correct to say the U.S. current account deficit is more than fully financed by foreign private investors while U.S. private investment abroad is partly financed by foreign central bank investment in the U.S.. From the evidence we have so far, foreign central banks do not appear to vary their purchases of U.S. Treasuries in a systematic way with changes in the trade-weighted dollar. Profits are less important to central banks, and they are less likely to make a rapid shift in the composition of their reserve portfolio - though given their size, they have the ability to roil markets if they do, or if politicians hint they will. But before central banks turn decisively, foreign private investors who have no motive to buy dollars other than returns will have fled. It is they who are key to the financing of the U.S. current account deficit.

Given this, it is worth noting that both foreign direct investment and net purchases of equities by non-residents have declined markedly since 2000. Foreign direct investment has staged a partial recovery since then, but remains below 1 percent of U.S. GDP. The decline coincides with a drop off in M&A activity in the United States and overleveraged balance sheets in the Euro area and Japan. At the same time, net purchases of fixed income securities have increased substantially, with most of the increase consisting of Treasuries. On net, therefore, the form of financing has become less favorable, even though there have been no serious problems so far. The concern is that financing will become more difficult-with consequences to U.S. interest rates and the exchange rate-precisely when other factors make the U.S. slow and look an unattractive place to invest, compounding the slowdown.

A final concern has to do with protectionism. It is all too easy for politicians to blame other countries for imbalances - after all, foreigners do not vote. The solution then appears easy. Impose punitive tariffs! Yet as we have seen, the imbalances are a shared responsibility, and no one country will be able to solve it unilaterally, least of all by imposing tariffs. And a tariff here will bring forth a tariff there, potentially harming the entire world economy. We have seen the movie before in the depression of the 1930s and it is terrifying. It is to forestall such a descent into autarky that the Fund has been arguing that countries should avoid pointing fingers at each other. If instead countries see the imbalances as a shared responsibility, it will help guide the domestic debate in each country away from the protectionism that may otherwise come naturally.

What can be done? Consumption growth in the United States has to slow, and this will require a steady withdrawal of the massive amounts of fiscal and monetary stimulus infused in the post-bubble years. Exchange rate movements will also have an important role in facilitating the transition. This implies that a number of currencies, especially in Emerging Asia, will need to appreciate. And finally, in a large number of countries, including Japan, the Euro area, Emerging Asia, and oil exporters, further structural reforms are needed to increase domestic incentives to invest, and in some cases, consume.


Some people hanker after a grand accord along the lines of the Louvre or Plaza accords. It is hard, however, to think of what countries would, or could, commit to in such an accord, at least at this stage. Better to focus on building a common understanding of the problem, and to convince each country of the importance of doing what is necessary. This is what the IMF has been doing for the last few years.

There has been some progress, though less than we would like. For instance, the United States has agreed that reducing its fiscal deficit is part of the solution and is committed to reducing the deficit by half by 2009. While the goal is welcome, we believe the measures are not ambitious enough, and some revenue raising measures will have to be contemplated, especially in view of Hurricane Katrina's effect on broader U.S. government spending. Similarly, we welcome greater exchange rate flexibility in some countries in Asia, especially the recent initial step in this direction by China-though further progress soon toward more flexible exchange rate management will be crucial.

Let me turn finally to an issue of some controversy. Some have argued the Fund has been remiss in not pushing China to appreciate more, with some economists asking for a huge step appreciation of the order of about 25 percent. First, I reject the premise of the accusation. The Fund has been discussing the need for greater exchange rate flexibility with China for some time - starting as early as 2000-long before others woke up to the growing global imbalances. Nevertheless, more action is needed. With the imbalances increasing, China's reserve build-up reaching enormous proportions, and China's current account surplus starting to grow significantly, it is in both the world and China's interest to allow the renminbi to appreciate more.

However, a huge step appreciation will probably do much more harm than good. For one, a number of the most efficient Chinese enterprises will be driven out of business and others forced into distress. In a developed economy, the necessary restructuring could be speedily effected. In an economy like China's with an underdeveloped financial system, the restructuring would be long drawn-out, painful, and could even damage the banking system significantly. If there is one lesson we have learnt in recent years, it is that emerging markets do not handle large exchange rate movements well. Moreover, it is not even clear that such a large exchange rate appreciation would have much of an effect on the U.S. current account deficit - quite possibly other countries in Emerging Asia would simply take up China's export share.

Instead, we would advocate a less interventionist approach where the authorities let the exchange rate react more flexibly to market forces-the authorities already have a framework for this, and they should use it. A more flexible exchange rate, especially if accompanied by more flexibility in emerging Asia, will allow the underlying forces adjusting international demand more room to play. Equally important, however, for China, is the process of modernizing the financial system so that both banks and corporations face a realistic cost of capital, invest sensibly, and offer a realistic return to savers. Not only can this reduce excessive investment in the Chinese economy, it can also reduce excessive savings. A growing China that consumes more will benefit not only itself but also the world.

Let me conclude. The world economy has been resilient in the face of shocks, in part due to improvements in the quality of policy. This has allowed a variety of imbalances to build up. The IMF is concerned whether the needed transitions to reduce imbalances will take place smoothly, which is why though the central scenario is one of robust growth, we believe the risks are weighted to the downside. Instead of pointing fingers at one another, or raising barriers against on another's goods, however, we should recognize that the need of the hour is sensible domestic policy reform. In addition, of course, we should continue with the process of reducing trade barriers, which means working towards an ambitious Doha round. Let me end my remarks here. Thank you.
 
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Taltos said:
Are you an LT alt?
Nah, just somebody who watches too much cspan and reads all those boring government and international documents and transcripts they hope no one reads.
 
I don't use money, I use the barter system. Hell of a price to get gas these days.
 
Taltos said:
I bet you are wearing a sweater vest
(Fuck you :) , )
Yup, thanks for letting me borrow it. You just made my pens explode in my pocket protector.
 
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illmatic_Kyle said:
I don't use money, I use the barter system. Hell of a price to get gas these days.
Yea but the barter for heat has possibilities.
 
Damn good reason NOT to privatize Social Security. :avery:

Ishmael
 
This was a good read...very sound in its statements of the way the global economy works.

I'm not sure I agree that other emerging nations in Asia would step up to take China's place in the same manner. No doubt we would have more leverage with those countries than with China.

It's really remarkable that we have taken the steps of depreciating the US Dollar over the past few years and that it hasn't had more of an effect on the trade deficit. With that and the low interest rates, that really should have shown some stemming of the trend. Maybe this helps to explain why.

I also love the fundamental statement about how protectionism hurts all economies in the long run. Very true.
 
hurricane64 said:
This was a good read...very sound in its statements of the way the global economy works.

I'm not sure I agree that other emerging nations in Asia would step up to take China's place in the same manner. No doubt we would have more leverage with those countries than with China.

It's really remarkable that we have taken the steps of depreciating the US Dollar over the past few years and that it hasn't had more of an effect on the trade deficit. With that and the low interest rates, that really should have shown some stemming of the trend. Maybe this helps to explain why.

I also love the fundamental statement about how protectionism hurts all economies in the long run. Very true.
The reason the trade deficit has not been affected is because we keep consuming more and more foreign goods while exports have not increased enough. Some of the things the government credits as exports are actually not because they are travel related and military supply expenditures going out but in the end the cost is ours.
The IMF website eplains this whole mess but it is not all that easy to understand if you're not up on economics lingo.
 
Hellbaby, OT, but you will be pleased to know that I actually watched C-SPAN within the last couple of days. (It wasn't an empty chamber shot.)
 
I say we go back to the Gold Standard...fuck 'em and feed 'em fish.
 
USA is in housing investment bubble. USA begged China not to rise the Yuan rate no more than 2%. It could easily go up up to 400%. When that happens, US economy will end.

So, WAR!!!

:nana:
 
Songcatcher said:
USA is in housing investment bubble. USA begged China not to rise the Yuan rate no more than 2%. It could easily go up up to 400%. When that happens, US economy will end.

So, WAR!!!

:nana:


Yeah, thats just what the EU wants to regain the power of old, the US and Asia killing themselves in a silly money war.

Justraise your taxes again and suck it up :D
 
LadyFunkenstein said:
Hellbaby, OT, but you will be pleased to know that I actually watched C-SPAN within the last couple of days. (It wasn't an empty chamber shot.)
Well I will admit, they showed Sen. Byrd sound asleep for a good 2 -3 minutes the other day.
 
Songcatcher said:
USA is in housing investment bubble. USA begged China not to rise the Yuan rate no more than 2%. It could easily go up up to 400%. When that happens, US economy will end.

So, WAR!!!

:nana:
The US economy may see a repeat of the 1930's and when it happens I fear it will be fast, a matter of days or hours but for the past few years we have been warned of this if measures are not taken. They weren't, or it was too little, too late.. The warnings are gone, now the talk is of when it happens, whether it will be abrupt or smooth. It is leaning to be abrupt initially.
The US economy will never end though, that would cause the global economy to end. The US is the biggest importer, biggest borrower, most invested in and most consuming country in the world. The global imbalances are causinng damage but improper rebalancing would result in global devistation. Our, or I should say big business, wealthy lifestyle, is so out of line with other countries and needs correction. The US needs to lose while poorer countries need to gain until everyone is at least on the scale.
Look in the stores, even before summer's end Christmas stuff was on the shelves. That is just wrong. The greed in this country and waste needs to stop.
As for China, is it right those workers make less than one dollar an hour so we can import more cheap products, imbalancing trade more and making those companies wealthier?
 
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This is from a IMF speech yesterday. There is a change in the tone from last weeks notices.

"The main risk is that there will be a much more abrupt and disorderly adjustment—a sudden decline in demand for U.S. assets, which produces a substantial decline in the value of those assets, and of the U.S. dollar, and a significant increase in U.S. interest rates. The impact of such an adjustment would be felt not just in the United States, but by exporters in other countries who sell to the U.S., and by emerging-market borrowers who would experience higher interest rates. Such an adjustment would usher in a period of dangerous instability in financial markets and in the global economic environment.

6. This raises another risk, one that is not raised explicitly in the questions for this session, but which I think is implicit, and needs to be considered. That is, the risk that in the absence of a coordinated international response to global imbalances there will be not just uncoordinated and disruptive private sector adjustment but also uncoordinated and disruptive measures taken by governments. "
 
~hellbaby~ said:
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6. This raises another risk, one that is not raised explicitly in the questions for this session, but which I think is implicit, and needs to be considered. That is, the risk that in the absence of a coordinated international response to global imbalances there will be not just uncoordinated and disruptive private sector adjustment but also uncoordinated and disruptive measures taken by governments. "


I think the biggest threat to the American system is a lack of government control on their own currency.

The Greenback is a product manufactured and managed by a private group of bankers in the Federal Reserve and lent out to banks where this inflarion producing debt is levered up to 9 times in loans monies.And to think this private group has never been audited, although they create billions every month from thin air.

Privatising the money supply is only good when the interests of the Bankers and the interests of the captured clients are the same.

One can see the fragility in US dollar hegemony that drove the importance of getting Iraq back into dollar trading.
 
Don't worry, be happy...

Just buy and own a Harley-Davidson, you don't need anything else...


Nothing is guaranteed in life especially if it is offered by any politician, quit walking around with a pickle in your mouth. :D
 
Lost Cause said:
Just buy and own a Harley-Davidson, you don't need anything else...


Nothing is guaranteed in life especially if it is offered by any politician, quit walking around with a pickle in your mouth. :D
I don't have a pickle in my mouth, I just don't know how to be poor :rolleyes:
 
Lost Cause said:
Just buy and own a Harley-Davidson, you don't need anything else...


Nothing is guaranteed in life especially if it is offered by any politician, quit walking around with a pickle in your mouth. :D

Driven down Route66 these days.
Thats what happens when the world changes.
 
~hellbaby~ said:
I don't have a pickle in my mouth, I just don't know how to be poor :rolleyes:

You are just the sort of innocent eyed convert the Libertarian Party can train on poor.

If the Capitalist system has shown anything , it shows greed always overrides compassion and there can never be equality so a generous poor sector is always guaranteed.

The limited restrictions in a Libertarian system would just exacerbated the strata differences, Humans have never been self regulating.
 
woody54 said:
You are just the sort of innocent eyed convert the Libertarian Party can train on poor.

If the Capitalist system has shown anything , it shows greed always overrides compassion and there can never be equality so a generous poor sector is always guaranteed.

The limited restrictions in a Libertarian system would just exacerbated the strata differences, Humans have never been self regulating.
Doesn't anybody around here know what sarcasm is???
Or did you think I was a blonde?? <-(that was intended as humor)
 
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