What can underage characters see/know?

[AlexBailey]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...d-scrap-parental-consent-nhs-trans-treatment/
There is a case going to court currently where activists are trying to remove the need for parental consent for puberty blocking medication on the NHS
If this goes through then the door would be open for kids to be pressured by their peers and activist groups into taking medication that could do untold harm to them and force them into a gender role that is not right for

If that passes you might have a reason to be concerned, otherwise it’s just insecurity on your part.

Meanwhile, what will you do if your child shows tendencies towards presenting in ways you don’t consider appropriate?

I’m part of a community that sees many of these cases so to me it seems much more common than someone from a typical religious background.


Did you blindly accept all of your parents beliefs? Some people do, some don’t. Would your rather disown your offspring than accept them for their own choices?

Hopefully you won’t be faced with this question, but my wife and I were both raised Catholic, as were many of my LGBTQ friends.

 

[RobDownSouth]

These are also the same "progressives" that don't find drag queens reading stories to small children or teaching Kindergarteners to be gender fluid to be wrong at all. In my view, that should be criminal sexual abuse of a minor, for either of those.

• Flip Wilson as Geraldine
• Tony Curtis and Jack Lemmon in "Some Like it Hot"
• Robin Williams as "Mrs. Doubtfire"
• Milton Berle in drag on Ratt's "Round and Round" video

I survived all of this "criminal sex abuse of a minor" and more.

Go take a nap, grandpa.

 

[jaF0]

Ahh, a Moronal Rant Ejection from the Aww Hell board.

(Also known as the Author's Hangout)

 

[Sean Renaud]

• Flip Wilson as Geraldine
• Tony Curtis and Jack Lemmon in "Some Like it Hot"
• Robin Williams as "Mrs. Doubtfire"
• Milton Berle in drag on Ratt's "Round and Round" video

I survived all of this "criminal sex abuse of a minor" and more.

Go take a nap, grandpa.

This was the beginning of me thinking John Leguzamo was incredible.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51MAfrtiv-L._UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg

 

[PastMaster]

If that passes you might have a reason to be concerned, otherwise it’s just insecurity on your part.

Meanwhile, what will you do if your child shows tendencies towards presenting in ways you don’t consider appropriate?

I’m part of a community that sees many of these cases so to me it seems much more common than someone from a typical religious background.


Did you blindly accept all of your parents beliefs? Some people do, some don’t. Would your rather disown your offspring than accept them for their own choices?

Hopefully you won’t be faced with this question, but my wife and I were both raised Catholic, as were many of my LGBTQ friends.

This is a huge minefield - and as someone who is, myself pan - i am more than sympathetic to gender identity issues. But the problem i have at the moment - is it has become a bandwagon.

Firstly I am not insecure. - I am exceptionally secure in my own identity.

From my experience as both a parent and a healthcare professional I know without a doubt that there are people who present in alternative ways.
I take issue with your phraseology presenting in ways I dont consider appropriate - I have no concept of what is appropriate - people will present in their own way.

Where i struggle with the 'bandwagon' as i call it is this,

Children up until puberty are Generally (I say generally because as i have said before everyone is different) pretty gender non specific - they will play with cars dolls dressup in whatever looks brigtest or takes their fancy at that time. They dont necessarily associate these things with a defined gender role.

As kids develop their own identity - it is not unusual for them to develop crushes, these can be on people of the opposite sex or people of the same sex, it depends on who they are exposed to.

The thing that disturbs me is that all these things are immediately identified as gender dysphoria and suddenly the child is directed without proper medical assessment into a gender assignment.

I do not dismiss gender dysphoria - nor do I dismiss those people who have 'known' since an early age their gender identity. They should be allowed to develop and encouraged and supported into whatever role they choose.

The problem is that since so many kids have been denied this, the pendulum has swung the other way and kids that are not true dysphoria but are just developing their gender identity and trying to find their own way, are being railroaded into something that they perhaps wouldnt have chosen for themselves.
In as much as a child needs the opportunity to develop into a trans person if that is their true identity, children also need the opportunity to develop into a cis person, again if that is their true identity.

 

[AlexBailey]

This is a huge minefield - and as someone who is, myself pan - i am more than sympathetic to gender identity issues. But the problem i have at the moment - is it has become a bandwagon.

Firstly I am not insecure. - I am exceptionally secure in my own identity.

From my experience as both a parent and a healthcare professional I know without a doubt that there are people who present in alternative ways.
I take issue with your phraseology presenting in ways I dont consider appropriate - I have no concept of what is appropriate - people will present in their own way.

Where i struggle with the 'bandwagon' as i call it is this,

Children up until puberty are Generally (I say generally because as i have said before everyone is different) pretty gender non specific - they will play with cars dolls dressup in whatever looks brigtest or takes their fancy at that time. They dont necessarily associate these things with a defined gender role.

As kids develop their own identity - it is not unusual for them to develop crushes, these can be on people of the opposite sex or people of the same sex, it depends on who they are exposed to.

The thing that disturbs me is that all these things are immediately identified as gender dysphoria and suddenly the child is directed without proper medical assessment into a gender assignment.

I do not dismiss gender dysphoria - nor do I dismiss those people who have 'known' since an early age their gender identity. They should be allowed to develop and encouraged and supported into whatever role they choose.

The problem is that since so many kids have been denied this, the pendulum has swung the other way and kids that are not true dysphoria but are just developing their gender identity and trying to find their own way, are being railroaded into something that they perhaps wouldnt have chosen for themselves.
In as much as a child needs the opportunity to develop into a trans person if that is their true identity, children also need the opportunity to develop into a cis person, again if that is their true identity.

I sincerely apologize for mischaracterizing your position. I conflated your response with some others on this thread.

I agree with what you say about the bandwagon effect and I’m dreading the inevitable backlash that is undoubtedly coming.

That said, I believe that while there are problems with the positions of many who support transgender rights, the backlash is being hyper-driven by fear mongering by those who care more about their religious and political beliefs than about any real dangers to children.

 

[PastMaster]

I sincerely apologize for mischaracterizing your position. I conflated your response with some others on this thread.

I agree with what you say about the bandwagon effect and I’m dreading the inevitable backlash that is undoubtedly coming.

That said, I believe that while there are problems with the positions of many who support transgender rights, the backlash is being hyper-driven by fear mongering by those who care more about their religious and politics beliefs than about any real dangers to children.

First of all - thank you.

I am also concerned about that - as I said the pendulum has swung too far - and it will swing back and too far the other way too.

What needs to be done is for people to actually consider the people who are important in this - the children. There is so much political capital being made off this issue.

In Scotland their first minister proposed a bill which was patently ridiculous, that anyone at any time could self determine their gender without any other evidence being required from any kind of medical professional.

This sounds on the immediate face that it would be a good thing for trans people - but its not. the reason it isnt is because immediately a man - who was a violent rapist declared he was female - in order to get himself incarcerated in a female prison. I wonder why.

The potential for abuse for self determination set back the trans peoples position massively - because the general population only saw the people who were fraudulently using this legislation, not to allow them to express their true identities, but to advance their own nefareous agendas, and everyone else - guilt by association.

There were two reasons to my mind why this bill was passed.
1 to pander to the trans activists, who again i feel do more harm to trans rights than good.
2 to force the UK government to intervene in the name of common sense, and quash the bill - thus advancing her agenda on scottish independance as she jumped up and down about how westminster were denying scotland its own choices.

And don't get me started on religions - they have no business involving themselves in anybodies lives for any reason whatsoever.

What trans people need going forward - especially children is exactly what we all need as we grow up. Love, Respect and the opportunity to develop into our own adult persona whoever and whatever that may be.

 

[LongDraw]

You’re obviously very insecure because there are absolutely zero cases where a child’s “medical/biological fate” concerning transgenderism can be decided by anyone other than a legal guardian.

Wrong. Here's proof from NYT, a left-leaning media organization, article in California.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/22/us/gender-identity-students-parents.html

And here's another case in Michigan, per DailyMail UK

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...hides-transgender-status-student-parents.html

And since you seem to not understand reproductive biology, if you transition your "bottom" gender surgically, you are permanently infertile. Meaning no chance of ever having your own children ever again.

 

[LongDraw]

• Flip Wilson as Geraldine
• Tony Curtis and Jack Lemmon in "Some Like it Hot"
• Robin Williams as "Mrs. Doubtfire"
• Milton Berle in drag on Ratt's "Round and Round" video

I survived all of this "criminal sex abuse of a minor" and more.

Go take a nap, grandpa.

I'm only familiar with the Robin Williams movie, Mrs. Doubtfire. But I will say that if what you are saying is that a dad dressing as an old woman to become their babysitter just so they can see their children is equivalent to drag queens reading stories to kindergartens, then you are a very confused individual or need to watch the movie again.

As a father of two wonderful daughters, I would do whatever is within my power to be active in their lives and raise them well. Any parent with a moral backbone would do the same.

 

[LongDraw]

I will say that as far as my own children, so long as they aren't being exposed to coercive discussions by pro-LGBTQ+!... about gender identity/fluidity/etc, I will acknowledge their choice once they become a legal adult. Until then, my wife(their mom) and I will judge what we feel is in their best interests. And my wife is more pro-LGBTQ+!... than me, so they'll have equal viewpoints.

As for me, I'm not convinced yet whether most or all LGBTQ+!... individuals were born that way, were psychologically conditioned to conform that way, or even a combination of both. There is no definitive evidence either way.

Doesn't mean I think it is fake. Doesn't mean I think it is legit. Just means I don't want my impressionable children being coached by anyone but their parents.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

I pointed that out in another thread...or maybe it was this one....there's so many under aged related threads.
My point is the same people who call someone a pedophile for wanting to write a FICTIONAL story about a 16 year old even thinking about sex are the same people who think its fine to have teachers talking to second graders about sex, gender, and their genitals.

Guess which one I'd be more worried about around my grand kids?

I would be more worried about the creepy old fuck who fantasizes and writes about fucking their granddaughter. Yes, I'm talking about creepy fucks like you.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I'm only familiar with the Robin Williams movie, Mrs. Doubtfire. But I will say that if what you are saying is that a dad dressing as an old woman to become their babysitter just so they can see their children is equivalent to drag queens reading stories to kindergartens, then you are a very confused individual or need to watch the movie again.

As a father of two wonderful daughters, I would do whatever is within my power to be active in their lives and raise them well. Any parent with a moral backbone would do the same.

Speaking of "very confused individual", you seem to be conflating transvestites and transgendered people. Would you clarify exactly what it is about drag queens that leads you to believe they represent transgendered people?

 

[AlexBailey]

Wrong. Here's proof from NYT, a left-leaning media organization, article in California.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/22/us/gender-identity-students-parents.html

And here's another case in Michigan, per DailyMail UK

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...hides-transgender-status-student-parents.html

And since you seem to not understand reproductive biology, if you transition your "bottom" gender surgically, you are permanently infertile. Meaning no chance of ever having your own children ever again.

I don’t have a subscription to NYT so I couldn’t open the first link, but the link to the daily mail isn’t referring to any physical transformation nor any authorization for medical procedures.

The most extreme procedures I heard proposed (not approved anywhere I know of yet) that could be performed without parental consent is puberty blockers.

I don’t think enough research has been done to say whether they have long term negative impacts, so I’m not in support of access without consent.

Good luck with your kids. And I’m not intending it to sound flip here, it’s just that kids have minds of their own and they may not share your beliefs.

When parents mandate beliefs on their kids rather than loving guidance they can create pushback and fear of being honest with their parents.

I know dozens of people who have no relationship with their parents, and that’s usually because of parents pressing their will and beliefs rather than listening to their kids.

Catholic school has genuinely backfired for many families. Lots of parents send their kids who are ‘going astray’ there.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I will say that as far as my own children, so long as they aren't being exposed to coercive discussions by pro-LGBTQ+!... about gender identity/fluidity/etc, I will acknowledge their choice once they become a legal adult. Until then, my wife(their mom) and I will judge what we feel is in their best interests. And my wife is more pro-LGBTQ+!... than me, so they'll have equal viewpoints.

As for me, I'm not convinced yet whether most or all LGBTQ+!... individuals were born that way, were psychologically conditioned to conform that way, or even a combination of both. There is no definitive evidence either way.

Doesn't mean I think it is fake. Doesn't mean I think it is legit. Just means I don't want my impressionable children being coached by anyone but their parents.

We definitely know that a lot of parents coach their kids to act straight which causes a lot of trauma when they hit puberty and start feeling attracted to members of the same sex.

Much of the fear that kids will be “coached” into being gay is projection.

 

[jaF0]

Until then, my wife(their mom) and I will judge what we feel is in their best interests.

Just means I don't want my impressionable children being coached by anyone but their parents.

You seem to be a bigger part of the problem than you realize.

 

[oggbashan]

The eldest daughter of our friends came out as a butch lesbian at 16. That upset her parents and for years her mother disowned her. Her father, although a lay preacher, was more accepting but whenever she visited our town she had to stay with us because her mother wouldn't allow her in the family home. She wore a dress (for the first time for years) as my youngest daughter's only bridesmaid. She hasn't worn a dress or skirt since and is now happily married to another lesbian, and sometimes has her mother to stay with them.

 

[LongDraw]

We definitely know that a lot of parents coach their kids to act straight which causes a lot of trauma when they hit puberty and start feeling attracted to members of the same sex.

Much of the fear that kids will be “coached” into being gay is projection.

And I've personally been pressured by more than a few gay/bi men to participate in homosexual acts with them in the past. Never once did I ever desire that.

 

[LongDraw]

You seem to be a bigger part of the problem than you realize.

Well, that's your opinion, no matter how misguided it may be.

 

[ll74]

And I've personally been pressured by more than a few gay/bi men to participate in homosexual acts with them in the past. Never once did I ever desire that.

No you weren't

 

[AlexBailey]

And I've personally been pressured by more than a few gay/bi men to participate in homosexual acts with them in the past. Never once did I ever desire that.

So you came prewired a certain way and outside influence and peer pressure didn’t turn you any way you weren’t already going?

Do you not have the same faith in your own children?

 

[LongDraw]

No you weren't

Yes. I was. Infact one of them was my boss who came up and hugged me and asked if I wanted to join him in his car. He was well known to give other male drivers blowjobs in his car on his breaks.

 

[ll74]

Yes. I was. Infact one of them was my boss who came up and hugged me and asked if I wanted to join him in his car. He was well known to give other male drivers blowjobs in his car on his breaks.

Bullshit.

 

[LongDraw]

So you came prewired a certain way and outside influence and peer pressure didn’t turn you any way you weren’t already going?

I have always been resistant to psychological conditioning due to a condition I have. I decided I had zero interest in being anything but a straight male. I just wish those who chose an alternative lifestyle would trying to force it on everyone else.

 

[AlexBailey]

I have always been resistant to psychological conditioning due to a condition I have. I decided I had zero interest in being anything but a straight male. I just wish those who chose an alternative lifestyle would trying to force it on everyone else.

“Force”? Describe this “forcing” you refer to.

 

[LongDraw]

Forcing everyone to use a ridiculous book of pronouns based on how a person may be feeling at that moment is one example.