What Are The Signs?

[FEELINGLUCKYPUNK]

Just read a take about a cradle robbing wife. She observed that the boy had no idea when a woman is in heat.

Question: What are the clues?

 

[JanusGoneAwry]

One of the evoloutionary trades that makes Homo sapiens different from all of the other primates is that we (femaies) have no readily identifyable signs. I have read there are subtle physiological signs but most of them revolve around “receptiveness” like a woman’s perception of certain scents as being more arousing during estrus.

There is a fascinating article from the periodical Human Reproduction by Juan J. Tariq and Vanessa Gomez-Piquer here.

Of course tons of theories exist about why—most focusing on the monogamy angle—but the fact is that no one knows for certain. Still, it is an interesting topic to explore in stories from time to time.

 

[Pocketshaver]

there is no ready answer for this as most signs never mean anything at all in the real world.

Its like flirting, you can see all the online videos and books and websites that claim to show you what a woman looks like behavior wise when she is trying to flirt with you. but it means pure shit in real life.

Why? Because no one uses the same signs. And most signs are just accidental. Its like the old joke "no the baby isn't laughing at the silly face your making or because you said its name. Its got GAS..."

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Those with a lot of successful positive experience with sex partners/erotic partners, are probably not quite as convinced as all the 'scientists' hereabouts concerning what they think they 'know' of this dimension of things - but then again I doubt they are even going to say anything detailed to these genius experts who know everything all the time, and certainly much more and better than I!

Time and time again I find myself bowing to the clearly superior knowledge of um, whom, let's see... Masters and Johnson? Havelock Ellis? Alfred Kinsey? And especially all those faceless people online whose 'social media game is awesome...'

Seems to me I recall that one or more of these is reputed to... ...er, er, er - have lived their entire life a virgin??!

 

[Charmolypi]

I wanted to give sincere advice but I don’t think I can get past the term “in heat”. Uhm, she chews through a chain link fence and sniffs the back sides of other dogs.

 

[FEELINGLUCKYPUNK]

I wanted to give sincere advice but I don’t think I can get past the term “in heat”. Uhm, she chews through a chain link fence and sniffs the back sides of other dogs.

Lemme translate her post: I DONT GOT A FUGGIN CLUE.

 

[TxRad]

I wanted to give sincere advice but I don’t think I can get past the term “in heat”. Uhm, she chews through a chain link fence and sniffs the back sides of other dogs.

Please stop feeding the troll. He is only here for his own amusement.

 

[FEELINGLUCKYPUNK]

Tex has never been in heat or caused heat in any thing alive. But he is known to set his hair on fire.

 

[TxRad]

I also know how to set your hair on fire. No attention for you today.

 

[MelissaBaby]

One of the evoloutionary trades that makes Homo sapiens different from all of the other primates is that we (femaies) have no readily identifyable signs. .

Speak for yourself. I yowl and rub my ass all over the furniture.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

What are you guys actually trying to pin down here - being 'in season' as in, available to become impregnated, or being sexually aroused at the particular given moment...?

 

[FEELINGLUCKYPUNK]

What are you guys actually trying to pin down here - being 'in season' as in, available to become impregnated, or being sexually aroused at the particular given moment...?

Pregnant is a woman's nature, they all want babies regardless of what comes out their mouths. But sex serves several masters in the woman, and each master likes different strokes. I wanna know if females sense the differences.

 

[Pocketshaver]

What are you guys actually trying to pin down here - being 'in season' as in, available to become impregnated, or being sexually aroused at the particular given moment...?

the original poster is obviously asking us for signs, mannerisms, behaviors, verbal and non verbal cues, that will help them figure out if an older woman is hot to trot for his young, skinny ass.

 

[KeithD]

the original poster is obviously asking us for signs, mannerisms, behaviors, verbal and non verbal cues, that will help them figure out if an older woman is hot to trot for his young, skinny ass.

It would be hard to find a woman older than the OP. He's just trolling for attention.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Speak for yourself. I yowl and rub my ass all over the furniture.

Owwwwwww my nose!!!!! That coffee was HOT!

 

[SimonDoom]

There are no true known human pheromones, which are what animals typically use to communicate and detect fertility. The obvious reason for that is that we don't need them because we have intelligence and can communicate by speech. We evolved away from the emission and detection of pheromones because they are unnecessary processes that take up unnecessary energy consumption.

To answer the question: I don't think there are any universal human signals of fertility. There's no one-size-fits-all answer to the question.

 

[KeithD]

There are no true known human pheromones,

Spoil sport. I'm going to pretend I didn't read that.

 

[ElectricBlue]

The obvious reason for that is that we don't need them because we have intelligence and can communicate by speech. We evolved away from the emission and detection of pheromones because they are unnecessary processes that take up unnecessary energy consumption.

How bleak is this? Sexual attraction reduced to an energy budget? Where's the romance, Simon, the glance across the crowded room?

All these people who can't see the signs can't be looking very hard, is all I can say.

 

[LupusDei]

There are no true known human pheromones, which are what animals typically use to communicate and detect fertility. The obvious reason for that is that we don't need them because we have intelligence and can communicate by speech. We evolved away from the emission and detection of pheromones because they are unnecessary processes that take up unnecessary energy consumption.

To answer the question: I don't think there are any universal human signals of fertility. There's no one-size-fits-all answer to the question.

Intelligence and speech won't help with something she doesn't even know herself more often than not (well, some do, but they're the witches). The loss of simple and definitive signaling may do more with the preference for building lasting partnerships (evolutionary desirable due to the crazy long childhood). You are forced to stick around and do it again and again with the same, not run around sniffing air for just the right one for the moment.

 

[SimonDoom]

Intelligence and speech won't help with something she doesn't even know herself more often than not (well, some do, but they're the witches). The loss of simple and definitive signaling may do more with the preference for building lasting partnerships (evolutionary desirable due to the crazy long childhood). You are forced to stick around and do it again and again with the same, not run around sniffing air for just the right one for the moment.

It's not only witches that can tell what time of the month it is. Most women have a pretty good idea. Memory and the abilities to count and to speak obviated the need for pheromones.

I'm not sure about your hypothesis. Many species have long-lasting pair bonding. They would have no more need of pheromones under your hypothesis than humans would.

I'm also not sure about the evolution of monogamy in humans. We may not have been that monogamous for most of our evolution. If my doubts are correct, then monogamy could not explain human evolution, including the loss of pheromones.

To be more specific about what I wrote, it's probably not pheromones that disappeared so much as the sense of smell, which diminished in importance because early humans relied on eyesight much more than other animals. But the byproduct was that pheromones and fertility signaling declined in importance as humans could communicate about fertility and sex in other ways.

 

[FEELINGLUCKYPUNK]

There are no true known human pheromones, which are what animals typically use to communicate and detect fertility. The obvious reason for that is that we don't need them because we have intelligence and can communicate by speech. We evolved away from the emission and detection of pheromones because they are unnecessary processes that take up unnecessary energy consumption.

To answer the question: I don't think there are any universal human signals of fertility. There's no one-size-fits-all answer to the question.

Simple Simon doesn't know, either.

 

[FEELINGLUCKYPUNK]

Women know when theyre hungry, thirsty, tired, pissed, horny, etc.

I find women wanna talk about pregnant when the time is right. It slips into the conversation, and goes away when youre no longer a contestant..


You people lack self awareness.

 

[KeithD]

You people lack self awareness.

That's ironic coming from you.

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[LupusDei]

It's not only witches that can tell what time of the month it is. Most women have a pretty good idea. Memory and the abilities to count and to speak obviated the need for pheromones.

Of course, they should. Some don't however. The comment was irony, and probably should have been marked as such.

I'm not sure about your hypothesis. Many species have long-lasting pair bonding. They would have no more need of pheromones under your hypothesis than humans would.

I'm also not sure about the evolution of monogamy in humans. We may not have been that monogamous for most of our evolution. If my doubts are correct, then monogamy could not explain human evolution, including the loss of pheromones.

I din't mention monogamy. Way out of the time frame where talk about giving up pheromones make sense in any case, of course, but interestingly, I recall reading that early agricultural revolution and fixed settlement dramatically decreased percentage of the men that passed on their genetics for a good while. Hunter-gatherers were more healthy, lived longer and had more fair sex lives than early peasant village dwellers, dominated by new upper class. However, it allowed populations to explode.

To be more specific about what I wrote, it's probably not pheromones that disappeared so much as the sense of smell, which diminished in importance because early humans relied on eyesight much more than other animals. But the byproduct was that pheromones and fertility signaling declined in importance as humans could communicate about fertility and sex in other ways.

Here I would agree, generally. Our sense of smell is quite a joke in comparison to most. However, it is still shown that smell plays role in determining prospective partners that would lead to children with better immunity genetically, even if we can't consciously detect or describe such nuances. Next to smelling genetics, pheromones doesn't seem such a stretch, still we have given them up.

 

[Pocketshaver]

Of course, they should. Some don't however. The comment was irony, and probably should have been marked as such.



I din't mention monogamy. Way out of the time frame where talk about giving up pheromones make sense in any case, of course, but interestingly, I recall reading that early agricultural revolution and fixed settlement dramatically decreased percentage of the men that passed on their genetics for a good while. Hunter-gatherers were more healthy, lived longer and had more fair sex lives than early peasant village dwellers, dominated by new upper class. However, it allowed populations to explode.



Here I would agree, generally. Our sense of smell is quite a joke in comparison to most. However, it is still shown that smell plays role in determining prospective partners that would lead to children with better immunity genetically, even if we can't consciously detect or describe such nuances. Next to smelling genetics, pheromones doesn't seem such a stretch, still we have given them up.

hunter gatherers still had communities. And having an agrarian society actually increased the population. Instead of hunt and gathering for food, people were growing all the food they normally needed. and had a surplus, that meant more mouths to feed.

however you thought that licing in cities reduced a mans sex life to nothing, then how can you claim the population increases..