What about the wall?

[MassiveGiantBrain]

Does the global pandemic illustrate the need for controlled immigration? Or in a world where viruses can sweep through one nation after another is it a better idea to just let whoever wants to come in feel free to invade at will? For example, if the next pandemic is Ebola and South American is hit hard, would it be the kind thing to do to let hoards of Mexican's flee Mexico as they try to escape the deadly plague?

 

[Liar]

Not really. It wasn't immigrants spreading it like wildfire, it was general international travel.

 

[schism666]

Does the global pandemic illustrate the need for controlled immigration? Or in a world where viruses can sweep through one nation after another is it a better idea to just let whoever wants to come in feel free to invade at will? For example, if the next pandemic is Ebola and South American is hit hard, would it be the kind thing to do to let hoards of Mexican's flee Mexico as they try to escape the deadly plague?

stfu, dpshelly.

 

[MassiveGiantBrain]

This time...

Not really. It wasn't immigrants spreading it like wildfire, it was general international travel.

Do you think that all future pandemics will hold to the same rules of transportation as the China Virus? Couldn't the next plague hit South American and spread north rather than start in China?

 

[MassiveGiantBrain]

That answers the question!

stfu, dpshelly.

What impressive logic! That clearly answers the question. I knew I could count on you to enlighten us all.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Do you think that all future pandemics will hold to the same rules of transportation as the China Virus? Couldn't the next plague hit South American and spread north rather than start in China?

They do have flights into the US from Mexico City...

 

[schism666]

What impressive logic! That clearly answers the question. I knew I could count on you to enlighten us all.

no one likes a whiner who cries foul and makes a big grand exit only to come back 10 minutes later as the same asshole.

 

[Rightguide]

Build more wall.

 

[coati]

Build more wall.

Yeah, and much higher walls, so they stop airplanes. And walls on the Pacific and Atlantic coastlines, also

Double-Penetration-for-Shelly has used his massive giant brain to solve the pandemic problem, and lit Deplorables are now gathering to celebrate that stroke of genius.

 

[Rightguide]

Yeah, and much higher walls, so they stop airplanes. And walls on the Pacific and Atlantic coastlines, also

Double-Penetration-for-Shelly has used his massive giant brain to solve the pandemic problem, and lit Deplorables are now gathering to celebrate that stroke of genius.

When people come in by airplane or ship they are checked through security. Where there is no wall, security is little to nonexistent. That's the difference.

 

[coati]

When people come in by airplane or ship they are checked through security.

Boy, that's reassuring. Immigration authorities must be really good at infection diagnosis.

 

[Rightguide]

Boy, that's reassuring. Immigration authorities must be really good at infection diagnosis.

Health security measures are being taken at all ports of entry, government buildings and other places. The biggest access corridor for illegal access to the country is along the southern border, that's why we need to concentrate security barriers to free movement there.

 

[Rotadom]

Build more wall.

Who pays for moar wall? Moar wall won't help out current disaster.

 

[Tryharder62]

To the window to the wall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiOtlpbPf5k

 

[Liar]

Do you think that all future pandemics will hold to the same rules of transportation as the China Virus? Couldn't the next plague hit South American and spread north rather than start in China?

You asked if the global pandemic illustrate the need for controlled immigration. I assumed you meant the current one. Which doesn't.

Everything else is speculation shaped to fit your preferred conclusion.

Can a hypothetical future virus with other properties pose an extra risk of virality through migration? Maybe?

If the next plauge hit South America, and spreds like this one (i.e more or less like a flu), why would it be more likely to spread via immigrants than via regular travelling visitors and Americans visitng those countries?

 

[Rightguide]

Who pays for moar wall? Moar wall won't help out current disaster.

The money is already allocated for the wall. Why don't you ask yourself who's going to pay for the trillions just voted on and the additonal 3 trillion proposed by the Pelosi Party? If you spend a million dollars a day it would take you three thousand years to spend the first trillion, let alone the other two. Why aren't you worried about what kind of life your grand and great grand children are going to have, now that we, in our selfishness, have made them slaves?

 

[Rotadom]

The money is already allocated for the wall. Why don't you ask yourself who's going to pay for the trillions just voted on and the additonal 3 trillion proposed by the Pelosi Party? If you spend a million dollars a day it would take you three thousand years to spend the first trillion, let alone the other two. Why aren't you worried about what kind of life your grand and great grand children are going to have, now that we, in our selfishness, have made them slaves?

No, it's really not. Monies are being taken from other programs to fund the useless wall. What's the "Pelosi Party?" Sounds like something you made up, I'll check on that. Not forgiving student debt will make our grandchildren slaves.

Also, there won't be any grandchildren to save if the Party of Pelosi doesn't get the proper funding needed to save us from this disaster.

 

[MassiveGiantBrain]

Good point

They do have flights into the US from Mexico City...

There are flights from Mexico to the USA just like there WERE flights from China to the USA. But Trump saw that those flights were a trojan horse bringing the China Virus along for the ride. So, wisely and against the advice of the swamp including Joe, he shut it down. That probably saved a million lives and trillions of dollars. But if China shared a border with the USA stopping the flights would not help. So Trump or whoever is the POTUS could stop flights from Mexico at the first sign of trouble but obviously lots of Mexicans would dash for the boarder. The wall would slow that down and minimize how many of them would need to be shot by the military. And yes, if it was Ebola even the soy-boy "liberals" would want them shot. Remember, Ebola makes a SARS virus seem like a cold and it is just a matter of time before there is a global Ebola pandemic. So is it wise to think ahead or just wait and see how things work out?

 

[Rightguide]

No, it's really not. Monies are being taken from other programs to fund the useless wall. What's the "Pelosi Party?" Sounds like something you made up, I'll check on that. Not forgiving student debt will make our grandchildren slaves.

Also, there won't be any grandchildren to save if the Party of Pelosi doesn't get the proper funding needed to save us from this disaster.

Which the SCOTUS has ruled is within the power of the President and the executive branch.

I called it the Pelosi Party because she and her lieutenants came up with that bill on her own without any input of Republicans, or any debate, or committee hearings, or opportunities for amendment. It was done without a quorum present in the House as required by the Constitution.

 

[Rotadom]

Which the SCOTUS has ruled is within the power of the President and the executive branch.

Not my point, learn to read.

So now you're admitting that we're diverting funds from worthwhile causes to fund a useless wall. Why would you possibly think that a wall will do us any good? Why would you want money spent on a useless wall when we're buying defective ventilators to Russia?

Get off the "we gotta own the Dems" bandwagon and behave like a human adult.

 

[MassiveGiantBrain]

Sorry I was not more clear...

1. You asked if the global pandemic illustrate the need for controlled immigration. I assumed you meant the current one. Which doesn't.

2. Everything else is speculation shaped to fit your preferred conclusion.

3. Can a hypothetical future virus with other properties pose an extra risk of virality through migration? Maybe?

4. If the next plauge hit South America, and spreds like this one (i.e more or less like a flu), why would it be more likely to spread via immigrants than via regular travelling visitors and Americans visitng those countries?

You offer four points and I numbered them to help clear up the confusion.

1. "I assumed you meant the current one." I spoke of FUTURE pandemics and pointed out that we now live in a world where pandemics can sweep through nation after nation. The flow dynamics of each future pandemic will all differ. But the question is would being able to shut the valve off on immigration help save lives? Of course the logical answer is yes.

2. You said: "Everything else is speculation shaped to fit your preferred conclusion." My preferred conclusion would be to live in a world where there was no need for boarder walls, or fenced in yards or locks on doors. My desire for walls and fences and locks is not fostered by a desire for these things it is fostered by the obvious reality that we need these things.

3. You said: "Can a hypothetical future virus with other properties pose an extra risk of virality through migration? Maybe?" Ebola virus is not hypothetical. It is just as real as SARS. Should we only wear seatbelts and have airbags because hypothetically car accidents could happen? Of course not. They do happen. The current pandemic should serve as a wakeup call to very real dangers. It is not hype.

4. You said: " If the next plauge hit South America, and spreds like this one (i.e more or less like a flu), why would it be more likely to spread via immigrants than via regular travelling visitors and Americans visitng those countries?"

The flow dynamic of each pandemic would very. Stopping the flow of immigration would be a constant. That is the whole point of this lock down. Air flights from South America could be stopped as swiftly as Trump shut down the viral invasion flights from China. But without a wall there would be no way to stop hoards of freaked out Mexicans from fleeing to get away from an infected Mexico. Obviously that is how they would react because they already try to flee here just to get away from the stink of the government and culture or drug thugs that have fouled the nest.

I hope those clarification were helpful.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

You offer four points and I numbered them to help clear up the confusion.

1. "I assumed you meant the current one." I spoke of FUTURE pandemics and pointed out that we now live in a world where pandemics can sweep through nation after nation. The flow dynamics of each future pandemic will all differ. But the question is would being able to shut the valve off on immigration help save lives? Of course the logical answer is yes.

How does shutting off immigration only, save lives? Your view is childishly simplistic. Do you only think immigrants could be infected? How about those wealthy white European tourists? Could they not be infected? Or how about those Americans who were traveling on vacation at the time? Are they somehow invincible to this new virus and cannot bring home?

2. You said: "Everything else is speculation shaped to fit your preferred conclusion." My preferred conclusion would be to live in a world where there was no need for boarder walls, or fenced in yards or locks on doors. My desire for walls and fences and locks is not fostered by a desire for these things it is fostered by the obvious reality that we need these things

How do walls and locks and immigration policy prevent a virus? This particular virus arrived in Canada from American tourists. H1N1 was bought to Europe in 1917 from American soldiers. The 2009/2010 H1N1 outbreak started in Mexico and most likly entered into the US from returning tourists.

3. You said: "Can a hypothetical future virus with other properties pose an extra risk of virality through migration? Maybe?" Ebola virus is not hypothetical. It is just as real as SARS. Should we only wear seatbelts and have airbags because hypothetically car accidents could happen? Of course not. They do happen. The current pandemic should serve as a wakeup call to very real dangers. It is not hype.

No it is not hype, and perhaps if the current administration had woken up to that fact, it might not be as bad in the US as it is. Canada too was late in responding, but once the government did take action, a systematic plan was put in place to control and contain the spread.

4. You said: " If the next plauge hit South America, and spreds like this one (i.e more or less like a flu), why would it be more likely to spread via immigrants than via regular travelling visitors and Americans visitng those countries?"

The flow dynamic of each pandemic would very. Stopping the flow of immigration would be a constant. That is the whole point of this lock down. Air flights from South America could be stopped as swiftly as Trump shut down the viral invasion flights from China.

Trump implemented a travel restriction of Chinese Nationals. Nothing else.
Some education below, not that you will read or grasp it....

As Azar explained when he announced the travel restrictions on Jan. 31, the policy prohibits non-U.S. citizens, other than the immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents, who have traveled to China within the last two weeks from entering the U.S.

At a House subcommittee hearing on the coronavirus on Feb. 5, Ron Klain, White House Ebola response coordinator under the Obama administration, took issue with the characterization of the travel restrictions as a travel “ban.”

“We don’t have a travel ban,” Klain said. “We have a travel Band-Aid right now. First, before it was imposed, 300,000 people came here from China in the previous month. So, the horse is out of the barn.”

“There’s no restriction on Americans going back and forth,” Klain said. “There are warnings. People should abide by those warnings. But today, 30 planes will land in Los Angeles that either originated in Beijing or came here on one-stops, 30 in San Francisco, 25 in New York City. Okay? So, unless we think that the color of the passport someone carries is a meaningful public health restriction, we have not placed a meaningful public health restriction.”

But without a wall there would be no way to stop hoards of freaked out Mexicans from fleeing to get away from an infected Mexico. Obviously that is how they would react because they already try to flee here just to get away from the stink of the government and culture or drug thugs that have fouled the nest.

Somehow I don't see the 129 Million citizens of Mexico clambering to get into the United States. They are not trying now, and somehow I doubt they will in a future pandemic.

JUNE 12, 2019
5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S.
BY JENS MANUEL KROGSTAD, JEFFREY S. PASSEL AND D’VERA COHN
The number of unauthorized immigrants living in the United States has dropped to the level it was in 2004, and Mexicans are no longer a majority of this population. This decline is due mainly to a large drop in the number of new unauthorized immigrants, especially Mexicans, coming into the country. The origin countries of unauthorized immigrants also shifted during that time, with the number from Mexico declining and the number rising from Central America and Asia, according to the latest Pew Research Center estimates

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

I hope those clarification were helpful.

No they were not helpful, they were just more of your Racist views. How is the off grid living going?.........chuckles can't be that great if you cannot stay off here...

 

[icanhelp1]

You asked if the global pandemic illustrate the need for controlled immigration. I assumed you meant the current one. Which doesn't.

Everything else is speculation shaped to fit your preferred conclusion.

Can a hypothetical future virus with other properties pose an extra risk of virality through migration? Maybe?

If the next plauge hit South America, and spreds like this one (i.e more or less like a flu), why would it be more likely to spread via immigrants than via regular travelling visitors and Americans visitng those countries?

Remember covid-19 was hypothetical till it turned real.

 

[coati]

How is the off grid living going?.........chuckles can't be that great if you cannot stay off here...

Good question for Double-Penetration-for-Shelly!

How is that off-grid living going? I assume you are steering clear of any goods made in China or Mexico, and that you are producing all your own food and hardware. Gotta wall around your place yet?

 

[coati]

Remember covid-19 was hypothetical till it turned real.

No, wait, I thought it was an overblown hoax no worse than seasonal flu?