What a *&%$# joke

[gunhilltrain]

No, you were told that naming of real person was not allowed. At least that's what you posted in the OP. The obvious inference is that there's a technical glitch, as a real person isn't a company name. I told you what you could do about that with a good chance of quick resolution without having to rewrite and without dramatics.

I would assume a first name only would be acceptable, because "Bob" or whatever could be anybody. I used some real first names and made up a few more. A reader would not be able to know which was which, but since it was an essay it was obvious that I was describing real people and their actions.

All of these people are nearing or past the age of seventy, so I doubt they are concerned about employment applications much. Maybe they fear that their nursing home colleagues will think less of them.

 

[Anthonysdaughter]

No, you were told that naming of real person was not allowed. At least that's what you posted in the OP. The obvious inference is that there's a technical glitch, as a real person isn't a company name. I told you what you could do about that with a good chance of quick resolution without having to rewrite and without dramatics.

I don't think I'm being dramatic, just engaging in intercourse... Oops, meant discourse. But I wasn't clear. I used to use actual names in stories. "We went to the Continental to see Bette Midler sing while Barry Manilow played the piano." I never had characters doing anything out of the ordinary in the places I actually named.

PREVIOUSLY (maybe 18 months ago) a story came back with a note saying that I couldn't name a hotel and a restaurant in New York City by name because my positive treatment of these places was tantamount to an advertisement. That's when I started using descriptions instead of names: "the sex-club in the hotel basement."

Then three days ago I submitted my latest bit of tripe... Oops, I meant literary masterpiece... It was rejected with the message:

"We do not publish stories professed to be true/about real people in the title, tags, and/or description. This is to protect you as well as the people in the story."

People aren't businesses although some businesses share the names of real people.

A bot probably made the call to reject it. Many inexplicable decisions are made by bots these days, not just here. I followed your suggestion about 20 hours ago. I'm waiting patiently, I know she is busy / overworked. I hope you are right.

 

[KeithD]

PREVIOUSLY (maybe 18 months ago) a story came back with a note saying that I couldn't name a hotel and a restaurant in New York City by name because my positive treatment of these places was tantamount to an advertisement.

Sorry, I don't believe for a nanosecond that happened on this site. I've been here for fifteen years and never saw a hint that that, which flies in the face of publishing reality and site practice, ever happened here.

The disinformation continues. There is no rule, in publishing, or here on Literotica that real company and place names cannot be used. I have used them constantly.

Also, I go back to company names not being what you posed the rejection as the basis for rejection. Those were using real people as characters. Since you claim you didn't do that, the fix should be quick and simple--a note that the rejection wasn't relevant to the story usage.

"We do not publish stories professed to be true/about real people in the title, tags, and/or description."

 

[Anthonysdaughter]

All of these people are nearing or past the age of seventy, so I doubt they are concerned about employment applications much. Maybe they fear that their nursing home colleagues will think less of them.

I wrote a story about a non-conformist who was placed in and then asked to leave a skilled nursing facility. She organized sex parties for her fellow octogenarians.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I wrote a story about a non-conformist who was placed in and then asked to leave a skilled nursing facility. She organized sex parties for her fellow octogenarians.

Has it been published here yet? It sounds like it is worth reading.

 

[MelissaBaby]

Sorry, I don't believe for a nanosecond that happened on this site. I've been here for fifteen years and never saw a hint that that, which flies in the face of publishing reality and site practice, ever happened here.

The disinformation continues. There is no rule, in publishing, or here on Literotica that real company and place names cannot be used. I have used them constantly.

Also, I go back to company names not being what you posed the rejection as the basis for rejection. Those were using real people as characters. Since you claim you didn't do that, the fix should be quick and simple--a note that the rejection wasn't relevant to the story usage.

"We do not publish stories professed to be true/about real people in the title, tags, and/or description."

I have used the names of real businesses, including restaurants and hotels, any number of times, and have never met with any difficulty.

 

[Auden James]

So the madness of ad hoc ruling continues. If it is any consolation, you are not alone. Good to know, though, that on this site you are no longer allowed to write the truth and/or about real people and/or real places at all. Alas, it is not really funny, or is it?

 

[LAHomedog]

I find these kinds of posts where the only things people do is bitch about how Lit is run are getting really, really old and no longer interesting or enjoyable.

It seems to me the solution is simple, if you don't like how the site is run don't publish on this site. It's that easy. And please stop making it so personal. The site isn't attacking you personally. It's their site and the only thing that the owners are doing is providing you a forum with thousands of viewers for your stories.

Everyone has had stories rejected for reason that as authors they disagree with. You have three choices, 1) Politely fight it. 2) Re-write it. 3) Don't publish it on here.

Really everyone, please, it's time to grow up and grow a set.

If this pisses you off or offends you and you want to start taking pots shots at me, please feel free. I had to live with four years of Jeffery Katzenberg taking pots shots at me, and trust me folks, the rest of the world are pikers compared to him.

Let's move on.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I find these kinds of posts where the only things people do is bitch about how Lit is run are getting really, really old and no longer interesting or enjoyable.

"Ignore" is your friend. It makes those threads really quick to read, and you know you're not missing out, because they're as predictable as that shitty old K-Tel Golden Oldies record you wish your parents never bought. But it was Christmas and you did say you wanted a record.

 

[LAHomedog]

"I that shitty old K-Tel Golden Oldies record you wish your parents never bought. But it was Christmas and you did say you wanted a record.

Gosh, I kinda like those records. All of the oldies.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Gosh, I kinda like those records. All of the oldies.

K-Tel, though. Not what I'd call classics. In any genre.

 

[LAHomedog]

K-Tel, though. Not what I'd call classics. In any genre.

We deflect from the thread, and that is a good thing, and yes, I never wasted my money on a K-Tel record, but that is because i already owned most of the songs on them.

I thought the TV commercials were sleaze, but adored the fact that they were keeping the music alive. We raised our son on all music. From classical, to '20s to swing, Benny Goodman jazz, Frank, Sammy, Broadway musicals, Elvis and '50s rock, the Beatles and beyond.

I love music. And anything that keeps it alive is OK in my book including the K-
Tel records that found a niche. Or in Lit speak, a kink.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I have used the names of real businesses, including restaurants and hotels, any number of times, and have never met with any difficulty.

There are a bunch of stories referencing McDonalds just in the last 12 months: https://search.literotica.com/?query=McDonalds&period=1 year&page=1 One of them involves somebody making sexual use of a McD's french fry.

I could see it being an issue if the story started to read like advertising though.

 

[MelissaBaby]

There are a bunch of stories referencing McDonalds just in the last 12 months: https://search.literotica.com/?query=McDonalds&period=1 year&page=1 One of them involves somebody making sexual use of a McD's french fry.

I could see it being an issue if the story started to read like advertising though.

I think someone has gone to Dunkin Donuts is pretty much everything I've written. It can't be helped, most are set in New England.

 

[Trionyx]

I think someone has gone to Dunkin Donuts is pretty much everything I've written. It can't be helped, most are set in New England.

I’ve had characters meet up at Starbucks. No problem.

Maybe I’m wrong, and my spousal unit would be quick to point out that I frequently am, but I have a sense established writers get less scrutiny than newer writers.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Is it even possible to common names and it not belong to someone, first, middle, and last or even hyphenated last, lock stock and barrel?

 

[oggbashan]

I had a story rejected because I used the name of a product repeatedly, and that product was essential to the story.

I edited it to remove the name of the product and used a generic description. But only one company makes that product so it was obvious what I was referring to. The story was up for a month and then pulled, presumably because someone objected.

Referring to real places, real people, and real companies can be awkward for Literotica. A passing mention such as Lycra will probably fly, but a story around a product? No.

 

[MillieDynamite]

In the Stephan King Novel, Cujo, he used a "famous" breakfast cereal as the reason the ad executive husband was albescent from most of the story. He made up a fake cereal, however, it would have been Lucky Charms, Fruit Loops, or Captain Crunch. They come to mind when you read the story as they all use dies to color the their cereal bits.

Can you imagine the lawsuit if he'd intimated one of those put kids in the hospital?

Edit: After thinking about it for a bit, I don't think Captain Crunch uses any wild color's.

 

[KeithD]

Repeat, there is no prohibition either here or in the mainstream to use the names of real companies, products, or places in your stories. In the mainstream if you went after a trademarked name so heavily in a negative sense that damaged their revenue stream, you could be sued (you can actually be sued for just about anything. Whether you could prevail is a different matter), but that's rarely the case, and wouldn't be the case with anything posted to Literotica.

Pushing the thought that there are prohibitions or much of any limitation to this is providing disinformation that unnecessary limits what a writer can do in their writing. If you think Laurel has rejected or pulled one of your stories for this, either you misunderstood why that happened or she was using personal prerogative not dictated by copyright/trademark law.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Repeat, there is no prohibition either here or in the mainstream to use the names of real companies, products, or places in your stories. In the mainstream if you went after a trademarked name so heavily in a negative sense that damaged their revenue stream, you could be sued (you can actually be sued for just about anything. Whether you could prevail is a different matter), but that's rarely the case, and wouldn't be the case with anything posted to Literotica.

Pushing the thought that there are prohibitions or much of any limitation to this is providing disinformation that unnecessary limits what a writer can do in their writing. If you think Laurel has rejected or pulled one of your stories for this, either you misunderstood why that happened or she was using personal prerogative not dictated by copyright/trademark law.

I'm not saying there is a restriction, however, if you defame the company there could be consequences.

 

[KeithD]

I'll also note that this whole discussion on product, company, and place names is unnecessary on this thread. As the OP established the issue--and represented the reason for the story rejection--it was on the use of claimed real persons. The whole jog from that off into product, company, and place names is going down an irrelevant path concerning the story rejection issue.

Giving disinformation here on the basis of trying to establish you have credentials in writing and publishing that you don't have is harmful to other writers. I haven't addressed anyone specifically on this, because as I stated sometime ago, I think she's underage and not the professional ghostwriter she claims (ghostwriting doesn't work the way she presents and she doesn't exhibit a writer's proficiency in even her discussion board posts), and I try not to engage with posters I think shouldn't be posting to this age-restriction Web site. It's one thing to live your own fantasies here; it's quite another to try to lead other writers down limiting pathways in what they can write.

 

[lovecraft68]

This thread is beginning to sound like Groundhog Day.

I'm starting to wonder if this is some kind of game to see how many times people can get Keith to answer the same question with the same answer (which is correct and pretty simple)

 

[Anthonysdaughter]

I have used the names of real businesses, including restaurants and hotels, any number of times, and have never met with any difficulty.

Based on the response to my inquiry into my stories rejection the site's bot apparently makes decisions based upon some matrix of what it considers to be "objectionable--" I don't understand if it is objectionable to readers (because women have autonomy) or to businesses (because they want to placate the haters). But then it offers an oblique explanation in the rejection note.

Apparently "mainstream" sex stories, like Ida and Bill cheat on their spouses and fuck in room 223 of the "___ Hotel" are fine. But "more extreme" stories, like Helga and four guys, and two women in the same room of the same hotel three days later are somehow by definition arguably "non-consensual" and "offensive." *

I just can't really wrap my head around the concept that two people who promised sexual fidelity to two other unknowing people, and then betray that trust are "normal" while seven people not stated to have any significant others who aren't participating in what is stated to be a consensual act desired and enjoyed by all is "more extreme."

In my real life I have enjoyed hundreds (if not thousands, counting is boring) of evenings with multiple sexual partners and I can assure anyone reading this that each one was completely consensual and each one was amazingly enjoyable for every person involved (even if they had trouble walking later).

* I suppose because hotel management is COMPLETELY unaware that rooms are occasionally rented for the purpose of sex rather than sleep.

 

[KeithD]

Based on the response to my inquiry into my stories rejection the site's bot apparently makes decisions based upon some matrix of what it considers to be "objectionable--" I don't understand if it is objectionable to readers (because women have autonomy) or to businesses (because they want to placate the haters). But then it offers an oblique explanation in the rejection note.

This does not matter. The Web site is a private company. It can reject a story because it refers to polka dot dresses and the site owner hates polka dot dresses. The readers/other site users have no say in the acceptance or rejection of a story at Literotica.

You have yet to clearly state what the issue of the rejection is. You are running us all around the bushes with hazy discussion.

Right up front I suggested that this might just be a technical glitch (because the reason you gave for rejection was something you said you didn't include in your story) and that you should just refile with a comment in the notes box zeroing in on this. Did you? If not, why are you putting us through all this crap? If you did, what is the status?

Beyond all this, is is YOUR problem and your problem is directly with Laurel, the site editor. She can be reached via the PM system.

 

[Anthonysdaughter]

This does not matter. The Web site is a private company. It can reject a story because it refers to polka dot dresses and the site owner hates polka dot dresses. The readers/other site users have no say in the acceptance or rejection of a story at Literotica.

You have yet to clearly state what the issue of the rejection is. You are running us all around the bushes with hazy discussion.

Right up front I suggested that this might just be a technical glitch (because the reason you gave for rejection was something you said you didn't include in your story) and that you should just refile with a comment in the notes box zeroing in on this. Did you? If not, why are you putting us through all this crap? If you did, what is the status?

Beyond all this, is is YOUR problem and your problem is directly with Laurel, the site editor. She can be reached via the PM system.

In my OP I DIRECTLY QUOTED the rejection notice...

"Dear Writer,

Thank you for your submission to Literotica. We appreciate the time and effort you've taken to write a story and submit it to our site . However, we've found that we cannot post your submission in its current form. The checklist below may help you in re-examining your manuscript.

We do not publish stories professed to be true/about real people in the title, tags, and/or description. This is to protect you as well as the people in the story."

BUT the rejection notice I received was at best really oblique...

TWICE (as in two subsequent posts) I said that I had done exactly as you suggested.

The explanation I received two days after asking why the story was rejected WAS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE REJECTION NOTICE. It said that (1) the editor (or more likely her bot) saw this 100% consensual story of an adult woman "being used" sexually as non-consensual. (Which is funny because it's like my favorite activity on earth.) And (2) the descriptions given while not proper names were accurate enough to identify the people involved (categorically untrue, she knows my CURRENT location-- well, the city-- by my IP address, information that readers do not have. But, you know, I said the story happened "in my home town," but I didn't say the story happened today, or that I've never moved) and that given that the story was non-consensual (which it wasn't) a different (higher?) standard must be maintained.

I'm a woman, a grandmother in point of fact, and I really, (no I mean really, really) enjoy really intense sex. Fuck you if that offends you. I'm a moral agent and I make moral choices. I don't deceive anyone, or hide who I am. I don't force or coerce anyone to do anything. And I truly enjoy what I have done and will continue to do. But I won't ever post anything in non-con because to me non-consensual sex is ethically unacceptable. It's up elsewhere if people want to look for it.

In short I recognize this is a private site and it can of course reject stories by writers who wear pink poodle skirts. But if that is why they are rejecting the story I think the site has an ethical obligation to say the story is being rejected because the writer wears polka-dot dresses or pink poodle skirts. NOT for an unrelated reason. NOT for a combination reason (EG: we reject stories submitted on Thursdays by people who wear pink poodle skirts). That's all...