Western Lake Erie is green with monster algae blooms

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http://www.lfpress.com/2015/01/25/western-lake-erie-is-green-with-monster-algae-blooms

Toxic algae that’s made life miserable along Lake Erie’s Ohio shore, forcing the shutdown of Toledo’s water intake last summer, has links that reach far into Southwestern Ontario, scientists believe.

Turns out, our region’s hands aren’t completely clean.

All our urban turf and especially our vast farmland — including human sewage, animal waste and chemical fertilizers — drains into the Thames River, which empties into Lake St. Clair and into Erie, where monster algae blooms are so bad one morphed into a blob nearly as big as Prince Edward Island in 2011.

A genetic analysis of toxic algae found in Lake St. Clair, fed by farm and urban nutrients that enter the Thames, links it to the same family of algae that sometimes makes western Erie’s water undrinkable.

Phosphorus, a key ingredient in farm fertilizers, washes into the river into Lake St. Clair where it meets the algae “seeds” and boost bacterial growth. From there, it multiplies to becomes slime limited only by how much sun and nutrients it gets.

“Once the blooms are up and going, the blooms in Lake St. Clair can feed into (the Detroit River) and into Lake Erie and contribute to the blooms in Lake Erie,” which are fed largely by farm run-off from the Maumee River in Ohio, Davis said.

Like the Thames, the Maumee also drains intensively farmed land into the Great Lakes.

And in a classic what-goes-around-comes-around scenario, the water from Southwestern Ontario can take a long route back home, since many centres including London draw drinking water from Erie.

Last summer, a massive algae bloom shut down Toledo’s drinking-water intakes.

Ontario cities, including London, have come under scrutiny before for discharging raw or only partly treated sewage into the Great Lakes during heavy rains that overwhelm their sewer systems.
 
Ohio has to take most of the blame here. Our government does not want to piss off farmers. That would be "regulation," you see. So a filthy polluted lake it must remain. Sorry, but that's freedom.
 
That algae is terrorizing us. Its an immigrant refugee from another species we don't want or need.

But the Fraud Jellyfish in Washington does nothing about it.

you stupid Litlibs would vote for anybody who lets aquatic plant life grow in water.

(sits back and waits for the name-calling attacks)
 
Ohio has to take most of the blame here. Our government does not want to piss off farmers. That would be "regulation," you see. So a filthy polluted lake it must remain. Sorry, but that's freedom.

What regulation would you put in place to stop this?

Other than "stop farming" there are none.....good luck with that.

So 'regulation' just gets turned into another bureaucracy out fee'ing (taxing) farmers for the shitz n giggles of it. We in CA already have like 8x agency redundancy....it's fucking absurd. Which serves only to run prices on shit up.
 
What regulation would you put in place to stop this?

Other than "stop farming" there are none.....good luck with that.

So 'regulation' just gets turned into another bureaucracy out fee'ing (taxing) farmers for the shitz n giggles of it. We in CA already have like 8x agency redundancy....it's fucking absurd. Which serves only to run prices on shit up.


It seems to be a particular type of fertilizer that's the problem. But I guess if they don't want to change, we can always tell the people of Toledo to just not drink water while the algae are running rampant.
 
That algae is terrorizing us. Its an immigrant refugee from another species we don't want or need.

But the Fraud Jellyfish in Washington does nothing about it.

you stupid Litlibs would vote for anybody who lets aquatic plant life grow in water.

(sits back and waits for the name-calling attacks)

Non-sequitur! Irrational! Does not compute! Delete and send to trash bin! Not everything is about you and your pathological delusions and hangups.
 
It seems to be a particular type of fertilizer that's the problem. But I guess if they don't want to change, we can always tell the people of Toledo to just not drink water while the algae are running rampant.

Phosphorous isn't a particular type of fertilizer, it's a basic component of all fertilizer programs, plant's aren't producing food/commodities without it. The heavier the agriculture activity in any given area is the larger an impact it will have on the water supply, subterranean and surface....it's an unavoidable side effect we simply do not have the ability to do a fucking thing about at this juncture either technically or via agricultural methodology. The only way to prevent that run off is to export the farms and their pollution to China, or just stop/cut back farming.

We might be able to reduce it some by curtailing petroleum/salt based ferts but that would mean taking on Monsanto, which is now all but impossible since Clinton, Bush II and Obama all signed pretty much every piece of "monsanto can do wuheva they want with total impunity!" bill that was put on their desk.
 
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Farming we can't stop. But cities can be forced to upgrade sewage treatment. Run off from farms can be controlled to some extent. Cattle and pig operation that do not drain e coli into streams and rivers, manure spreading and run off. Even use less fertilizers.

Not impossible but pricey and limited result. Getting rid of 75% of humans, domestic animals and 99% of cars would be most effective answer.

When next your municipalities talks property tax hike to repair aging infrastructure like sewage and storm drains that are still connected. Maybe vote yes.
 
Farming we can't stop. But cities can be forced to upgrade sewage treatment. Run off from farms can be controlled to some extent. Cattle and pig operation that do not drain e coli into streams and rivers, manure spreading and run off. Even use less fertilizers.

Cities yes.

Run off, not really. You can only limit it by limiting the amount of and what type of agg going on. The more production the more run off...it's unavoidable. And reduction would mean taking on arguably one of the most powerful corporate entities on the planet....LOL good luck with that!

Less fertilizer = less food and in most cases would make the farm nonviable economically.

Like I said, the current situation, barring any break through tech solution, is that we either start exporting our agriculture and it's pollution to China/India, move the agg base out of that area to some other ideal farm land that will shit on a less critical water supply, or we just accept this as a side effect of too many fucking people and figure out a way to recover all the P from the lake. An algae farm used to filter the lake water and send fertilizer back to the farmers in 50lb bags is where I would start.

Not impossible but pricey and limited result. Getting rid of 75% of humans, domestic animals and 99% of cars would be most effective answer.

Yes....less people, less mammalian livestock. Cars though they impact the air are fairly low on the scale of water supply effects compared to meat production and to a considerably lesser extent green crop production. We have a super effecient but a horrifyingly unsustainable and rather destructive agriculture system. All with the full support of Clinton, Bush deux and Obama.

When next your municipalities talks property tax hike to repair aging infrastructure like sewage and storm drains that are still connected. Maybe vote yes.

Maybe no...
 
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is the algae racist, like you?


That algae is terrorizing us. Its an immigrant refugee from another species we don't want or need.

But the Fraud Jellyfish in Washington does nothing about it.

you stupid Litlibs would vote for anybody who lets aquatic plant life grow in water.

(sits back and waits for the name-calling attacks)
 
Sounds kinda strange to me. Maybe doubling the outflow from Superior into St Marys river over the last 2 years had something to do with it...but keep your pipeline

You got a link to water flows. Would be interested in reading that.

You do realize I was joking right about the pipeline? Although sci-fi type ideas do have a tendency to happen. Maybe in another 100-300 years it might e be a solution.

By 2150 the population of Ontario is expected to be 75 million. More than UK today. Twice as much as Canada today.
 
We have some of world's largest freshwater reserve too. We'll sell it to you for 300$ a barrel. But you can only have so much per year. And you have to close the canal at Chicago.
 
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