Were You A "Victim" Or Are These People Just Nuts?

Lost Cause

It's a wrap!
Joined
Oct 7, 2001
Posts
30,949
**Did you get mentally harmed by these games? How did you cope with what these chuckleheads say the harm did?**

You either desperately dodged the ball or fiercely beaned classmates with it. You were the captain of the team or the last one chosen. Or perhaps out of fear or shyness, you just blended in until the bell saved you.
For generations, recess games were considered mere child's play, even if they broke limbs occasionally or, more regularly, hurt feelings. These days, though, some educators have their sights set on some of the more potentially vicious playground activities, prompting a debate about whether banning such games is enlightened or over-protective.


In one school in Santa Monica, Calif., the familiar game of tag is "it." The principal of Franklin Elementary School caused a ruckus when she wrote in a recent weekly school newsletter that the chase game was banned during the lunch recess of the grade school, which houses kindergarten through fifth-grade students.

Tag and similar games caused concussions, broken bones and numerous bumps and scrapes among the Franklin Elementary students in the past year. But physical danger was not the only harm cited.

"In this game, there is a 'victim' or 'It,' which creates a self-esteem issue. The oldest or biggest child usually dominates," the principal wrote.

The playground tag prohibition spurred a public debate. The Los Angeles Times picked up the story, as did at least one local talk radio show whose host lambasted the principal for her decision.

The Game of Life

The Santa Monica tag debate resembles a similar fracas the last few years over dodgeball — also known in some areas as bombardment. Concern over the game's potential for brutality and intimidation led school districts in New York, Virginia, Maryland, Maine, Ohio and Texas to ban dodgeball.

What's all the fuss about the games we have all played — and for the most part, survived?



To their critics, dodgeball-type games unfairly pit the weak against the strong, inevitably making the scrawnier students easy prey for tougher classmates. In tag, children may be repeatedly chosen as "it" as a form of humiliation. Then there's the social rejection inevitable when children are asked to "pick teams" and the worst athletes or least popular children are left for last.

There appears to be no consensus among educators and childhood education experts about the wisdom of banning certain games from the playground, and such prohibitions are certainly not widespread.

Some say the fun of playing certain games is not worth the harm done to weaker or less popular children. "There are lots of opportunities for bullying," said Dr. Charles Shubin, a pediatrician and high school physician in Baltimore.

Those who oppose banning games say the pecking orders revealed by playground activities can teach important lessons for the future, albeit painful ones.

"Kids have to learn how to deal with everyday disappointments such as being singled out," said Dr. Kenneth Haller, a pediatrician and professor at Saint Louis University School of Medicine. "It's a cliché that games are a metaphor for life, but it's true."

Everybody Hurts Sometimes

Although it may be true that children need preparation for the dog-eat-dog adult world, Shubin says not every child will succeed in a cutthroat environment. Forcing them to compete, and more often than not, lose, will do nothing to help them cope in the future.

"Some kids are never going to make it that way, so they are just fodder for the kids who are going to make it that way," Shubin said.

Rick Swalm, an education professor at Temple University, believes in a laissez-faire organizing principle to the playground. While a potentially violent game such as dodgeball should not be part of a well-rounded physical education curriculum, he said, it can be a perfectly healthy activity for willing participants at recess.

Restricting children from planning their own activities at recess can also be damaging to their feelings of self-worth, he said. While some students may want to play hopscotch, others will still choose tougher games. And the latter will learn important lessons about winning and losing that are not in themselves, harmful, Swalm said.

"It's all in a context of 'life doesn't always deal us a royal flush,'" he said.

Keeping Fun In Sight

Experts said there are ways to continue the tradition of playing games like tag and dodgeball without permanently scarring some children. Adult supervision is key, they say.

For one, teachers can select teams, therefore eliminating the scenario of some children always being the last ones picked. In tag, Swalm said, students can be paired off in twos, so they can alternate being "it" and being on the chase. That way, no child would be "it" all the time, and no child would be left out completely.

As for dodgeball, some experts said the rough character of the game makes it beyond rehabilitation. But with adequate supervision and an emphasis on fun and not competition, others said, even that occasionally violent playground standby should be allowed.

"If one kid is throwing the ball really hard, they need to be told that. Kids need to be told what the rules of game are," Haller said. "They need to be reassured that this is a game, the goal is to have fun."

:D
 
It seems that any school endeavor that may lead to an 'inequality of outcome' is to be banned. The athletes will not be allowed to excel, nor will the children that are mentally gifted.

No one gets their feelings hurt and everyone gets a 'C'. ( or in some cases it's reduced to 'passed')

Doesn't seem like a very realistic way to prepare anyone for the realities of life.

Ishmael
 
Sometimes adults forget that it's okay for kids to be kids and learn to get along with each other.
 
WARNING: What you are about to read is not a knock on teachers!

Public elementary school ADMINISTRATORS are collectively the biggest bunch of fucking idiots on God's green Earth.

Every time I pick up the paper or listen to the radio and hear of yet another idiotic decision "for the good of the children" by a school system somewhere i want to grab the fuckhead who made the decision and choke the living shit out of him. I cannot believe these people get paid real money to educate our children! And I don't even have any kids! Parents must be homicidal when they see this shit!

Ok, I'm done now.
 
Creating a generation of coddled overprotected kids is a recipe for disaster. How does a person cope when they've never been told "no" and have never faced dissapointment? Look at all the silver spoon suburban kids who are miserable and empty.

I still have scars from my younger days and I sport them with pride. I have fond memories and hilarious stories to tell about times when I got fucked up. Traumatic personal experiences have taught me how to be a better man. How can you learn these things living in a society created bubble?
 
pretty_lil_stranger said:
It's sad really, don't they remember when they were kids? Probably not...:(

That's the problem. They DO remember. The idiots coming up with this crap were the kids who got the shit beat out of them in dodge ball 30 years ago.
 
It makes no difference if they ban this in schools or not, the kids are still going to be kids. There will still be bullys, still be the kids that get picked on. But instead of using something that directs the childrens energy the kids are going to have to come up with other ways to pick on each other. And that becomes dangerous.
 
I wish I could once again feel the rush of a blood thirsty dodge ball game. Never forget that humans were once animals (sorry to break the news to the born agains like this). We ran from what hunted us and chased what tasted good. Dodge ball is now just another victim of Political Correctness and will be missed by all the little snot noses that did not have the chance to feel the burn of the rubber. Freakin milktoasts.
 
How much do you wanna bet those administrators were the kids they are trying to 'protect' when they were younger? They probaly still have issues with John the Bully always throwing the ball at them, or being picked last and they figure they can get back at John by banning the games he played.

I played dodgeball all of the time when I was in school and loved it. I wouldn't always win, but I always had fun knocking some other kids on their ass. It was alot better way to take my aggression out on someone, and theirs on me, than by getting into a fist fight. At least after a game of dodgeball we could still be friends, or at least friendly.
 
Throbbin_Rod said:
WARNING: What you are about to read is not a knock on teachers!

Public elementary school ADMINISTRATORS are collectively the biggest bunch of fucking idiots on God's green Earth.

Every time I pick up the paper or listen to the radio and hear of yet another idiotic decision "for the good of the children" by a school system somewhere i want to grab the fuckhead who made the decision and choke the living shit out of him. I cannot believe these people get paid real money to educate our children! And I don't even have any kids! Parents must be homicidal when they see this shit!

Ok, I'm done now.

Thanks for the warning.

Administrators are a lot like most middle management.... too far removed from the realities of the school and answering to too many political entities to do the right thing.
 
I preferred kickball.

Same ball.

Less pain.

Something tells me dodgeball was more of a "guy thing".
 
Who ever played, or even remembers a game called "Hill Dill"?

You get a group of kids together and pick one to be "it". He stands in the middle of the park, field, etc. and calls out "1, 2, 3, HILL DILL!!!" The rest of the kids have to run to the goal on the other side without getting tackled by the kid in the center.

If you do get tackled you join the first kid so now it's two against ten, twenty or whatever. The game progresses that way as more and more kids get caught and have to join the center. The object is to be the last person caught but by that time you're the only one running with ten, twenty or more kids all coming to tackle you!

We played it all the time in grammar school and needless to say, the administration wasn't happy. It was while playing this game that I witnessed my first ever compound fracture. I recieved a contusion on my inner thigh and was unable to walk straight for a couple of days. Strangely enough, these are some of my clearest and fondest memories of youth.
 
red_rose said:
Something tells me dodgeball was more of a "guy thing".
From the bloodthirtsy posts from some of the guys here, I'd agree with you. It's odd to read how they derived so much satisfaction from treating another kid as a target, and how they needed to release "aggression" at the tender age of eight.

I never cared for dodgeball. In fact, I never cared for any sport involving a sphere, and I still don't. I kicked ass at swimming, but I didn't discover that sport until high school. Until then, I passively participated in gym - standing front and center in the dodgeball line so I'd get knocked out first.

Not every kid likes everything. Dodgeball is a lame game, and it should be optional at recess, not a required pasttime for all the would-be bullies to let out their frustration on the athletically challenged kids.
 
I don't think the position is completely unmerited, but I think that "banning" goes to far. Just make sure the kids are properly supervised and don't force them to play if they don't want to. I liked dodgeball. I'm not athletic. I was a sensitive, easily hurt kid. But I liked the game. I was skilled in the use of the human shield. But not everything is going to be everybody's cup of tea. I'm sure they could offer some other activity that would be an acceptable activity for kids who didn't like it.
 
Well the aggression part didn't come until my teen years. I had as much fun being the target as I did targeting the other players. But I agree it shouldn't be mandatory, it should be something you play because you accept that your just as likely to be hit as you are to hit others and because it is a fun game to you.
 
Mischka said:
From the bloodthirtsy posts from some of the guys here, I'd agree with you. It's odd to read how they derived so much satisfaction from treating another kid as a target, and how they needed to release "aggression" at the tender age of eight.


"Boys will be boys."

Better than "Boys will be pantywaists" in my opinion.
 
i once got a black eye from dodge ball. it's a great game for bullies to pick on the kids they don't like.
 
medjay said:


"Boys will be boys."

Better than "Boys will be pantywaists" in my opinion.

Or better than " Boys will settle things with their fists (If you are lucky) or with real weapons."
 
SleepingWarrior said:
But I agree it shouldn't be mandatory, it should be something you play because you accept that your just as likely to be hit as you are to hit others and because it is a fun game to you.
I don't recall the rules, but I know I never got the chance to hit anyone. I never held the dodgeball, I only felt it hit me. The gym teachers had their favorites, and those kids always got to start every game. It was the same way at every school I attended, and with every gym teacher I endured. Obviously that's colored my memories of gym class, but I distinctly despised every minute of gym. I cannot recall a single good moment from any gym class. I don't begrudge those that enjoyed it, but gawd, it sucked for me.
 
I honestly believe that young boys wind up with so much aggression because they are taught that if they show their emotions, they will be thought of as "pantywaists" (as medjay put it).
 
SleepingWarrior said:


Or better than " Boys will settle things with their fists (If you are lucky) or with real weapons."

Exactly! There has to be some way of controlling the "energy" of children.
 
Dammit.

In elementary school, dodgeball was the only thing I was good at. Every other kiddie sport I got picked last in. Well, except kickball, I guess. I was good at that.

TB4p
 
SleepingWarrior said:


Or better than " Boys will settle things with their fists (If you are lucky) or with real weapons."

The agressive behavior that many people are bemoaning are the very traits that make up the Alpha Male.

Hypothetically: A family is asleep at night and an intruder comes it to rob, rape and murder. Would the woman rather have a husband who will cower in the corner and beg for mercy or one who will jump up to defend his family no matter what the danger.

I believe everyone would take the second choice. But the current climate of child rearing is anti-male. How many of these kids would eventually even know what to do if their lives or the lives of thier families were in danger?
 
anti male? that's bullshit. boys don't have to behave in any certain way, and the definitely don't have to be aggressive, violent and pugilistic. and girls don't have to be genteel and soft spoken.

it is not appropriate for anyone to express him or herself in a violent way, and it is entirely appropriate to teach that lesson to children.
 
Back
Top