We Should Have Full Time Schools...

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Sounds like a good idea, as long as I don't have to do it anymore! I think they out to have 40hrs per week, 300 days a year schools based on a college type of infrastructure, and get the Feds out of the school institution. (Pay as you go)



ST. PETERSBURG, Fla., Aug. 16 — More than a dozen school districts in Florida — and others in Texas, Maryland, Kentucky, Colorado and California — have moved up the opening day of school this year, cutting short summer vacations and requiring students to report a week or more earlier than in recent years.

The reason, in many instances, is to give students an earlier start on preparing for state standardized tests, which are usually given in late winter or early spring.

While the tests are not necessarily new, schools face stiff federal sanctions, including the loss of some federal money, this year under the new Bush education law if they fail to meet specified goals for progress on those tests.

In Florida, the state has added a stick: third graders who fail a state reading test in the spring will not be promoted.

Many of the students starting school early will be ending earlier next year as well, some as early as mid-May. For financial reasons, the districts have not added substantially to the standard school year, which is about 180 days. Schools in at least half the districts in Florida opened in the first 10 days of August.

Experts on educational scheduling who have long pushed for the reduction of the 10-week summer break — a vestige of when planting and harvesting schedules influenced the academic calendar — say that the increasing acceptance of August as back-to-school month is an important psychological shift for some children, parents and teachers.

"Breaking from the traditional schedule does open up lots of possibilities, one of which might be longer school years or different kinds of schedules in schools," said Michael D. Rettig, a professor of education at James Madison University in Harrisonburg, Va.

Another reason, in addition to testing, that districts are beginning the year earlier is to accommodate so-called block schedules, in which a high school student might take a year's worth of chemistry in the first semester and a year's worth of history in the same slot in the second semester.

To complete the first semester before Christmas, the school year must often begin several weeks before Labor Day.

In Colorado Springs, for example, school will begin on Tuesday this year, compared with Sept. 2 five years ago, so high school students will not have to spend their winter breaks studying for first-semester exams.

Others schools around the country — about 3,000, compared with half as many a decade ago — are now operating on so-called year-round calendars, in which the summer vacation is shortened and vacations during the year are lengthened (often to three weeks) and staggered.

Some schools have adopted such schedules to thin the populations of crowded schools, allowing some students to be on vacation while others are in class. Other schools have done so to give struggling students extra time to catch up in specially scheduled remedial sessions.

While many states defer to individual districts to decide when they wish to begin the year, Texas passed a law last year that set the week of Aug. 21 as the earliest a district could open. Since then, 90 districts — about 1 in 10 statewide — have received permission from the state to open earlier, often by a week or more, to get a jump on the year's curriculum.

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First lesson...

Pardon my english in the thread:
The word is "ought", NOT "out"! Jeez, I need to go back to school! :D
 
You'd have to give me a huge pay raise to teach 12 months. I don't think many of us (teachers) would survive a full year. Sure you get a lot of little breaks. But we need that one big long one. It keeps us from killing your kids.
 
Yes, I know teacher.... you guys have the short end of the deal, all the way around.

But....

Please tell me that the little brats go back soon. Please. How many days? It isn't soon enough.

They hang out in the mall all day. Not kidding. They are there before i get there at 8 am and then when I leave at night they are still there. Long out of money and just hanging out and causing trouble. Don't parents who allow this see what is happening to their kids?
They are prey for the older ones, the ones who will get them in trouble and lead them off the golden path.

Akkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.....

I hate kids right now.
 
sch00lteacher said:
You'd have to give me a huge pay raise to teach 12 months. I don't think many of us (teachers) would survive a full year. Sure you get a lot of little breaks. But we need that one big long one. It keeps us from killing your kids.

LOL well said.

They go back the 26th here in Miami.
 
while I emotionally sympathize w/schoolteacher, as a fellow eduactor I do think F/T schooling is a good idea. There should still be a biggish break in summer, just not quite as long.

Part of the reason teachers don't get as much professional respect as is (more than) deserved is because it's seen as a job where we have 'summers off' and therefore can't be 'taken seriously' like people who work year round. Which of course is crap. And I would like more money too.

But I do think that kids belong in school, not hanging out all day everyday at the mall. I am constantly amazed at the casual neglect of young teens by their parents. And then the parents can't figure out why they're pregnant and/or using drugs!
 
I started back on Aug 6th. My students came back last Monday, August 12th. There were several systems here in Georgia that started even earlier.

I think year-round school is something that each individual school and system should decide for themselves. Is it better for the children should be the overriding concern.

For MY school, i can see several benefits of year-round school. The vast majority (90+%) of the students in my school live in poverty. When school is in session, they get two nutritionally sound meals each day, so for their health year round school would be beneficial.

Educationally, year-round school would be a good idea, as well. Many, many, many of our students do not have any academic support at home. They lose a great deal over the summer and it has to be retaught during August and September.


The article points to standardized testing as a justification for starting school earlier. To that, i say NOTHING in our schools should be based on flawed and biased standardized test scores. Unfortunately, almost everything is tied to them.
 
morninggirl5 said:
I started back on Aug 6th. My students came back last Monday, August 12th. There were several systems here in Georgia that started even earlier.

I think year-round school is something that each individual school and system should decide for themselves. Is it better for the children should be the overriding concern.

For MY school, i can see several benefits of year-round school. The vast majority (90+%) of the students in my school live in poverty. When school is in session, they get two nutritionally sound meals each day, so for their health year round school would be beneficial.

Educationally, year-round school would be a good idea, as well. Many, many, many of our students do not have any academic support at home. They lose a great deal over the summer and it has to be retaught during August and September.

The article points to standardized testing as a justification for starting school earlier. To that, i say NOTHING in our schools should be based on flawed and biased standardized test scores. Unfortunately, almost everything is tied to them.

My hat's off in a salut to you MG5. If you don't mind, I'll add to your comments. Better education (kids learning more) is the key to better long term life opportunities. If 90% of the kids in your district live in poverty, I'm glad that the people there are concerned enough to focus on education as something important and I salut you for supporting the "extra" schooling.

I agree schools should go full time year around and maybe take a month break in the summer and take more frequent breaks of a week or two through the school year. A big negative of the long summer break is that kids forget everything and often have to spend a long time at the begining of the new school year just reviewing what they learned during the last year. Reviewing is good for learning, but it should be built into a more consistantly scheduled plan and periodically done through the year.

There are also too few school days. More school days is needed. Maybe with that we could catch up with the rest of the developed world's education standards.
 
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