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BrightShinyGirl said:
How do? It seems pretty obvious that a strong government that protects and takes care of the people is a prerequisite for a country to be great.
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The social democracies, for example. That's the path to greatness!
 
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Democrats claim that the administration of Franklin Roosevelt ended the Great Depression.

Republicans claim that the administration of Franklin Roosevelt prolonged the Great Depression.

They agree that the administration of Franklin Roosevelt shifted wealth, power, and prestige from the business community to the government.

How one feels about the administration of Franklin Roosevelt will depend largely on how one feels about the business community and the government.

How one feels about the business community and the government is likely to depend on events that happened long after the administration of Franklin Roosevelt.

So, how do you feel about the business community and the government?

Over the years I have learned to respect opinions based on experiences I have not had.
 
BUT we can certainly bring down the price of housing.....

Washington DC housing market plummets as DOGE lays off thousands of federal workers​

Home prices in Washington, DC, have plummeted since the Trump administration and the Department of Government Efficiency began discussing layoffs. In the wake of those layoffs, droves of former federal employees have packed up their bags and put their homes on the market, causing the average listing price to sink, The Kobeissi Letter (TKL) reported. In November, the median home in the nation's capital was worth $699,000, according to Redfin. By February, the median home value dropped 20 percent, bringing the price down to $560,000. TKL found there are now nearly 8,000 homes listed for sale in the Washington, DC metro area, and almost half of them have been put on the market in the last 30 days.

There has also been a surge in new listings of homes over $1 million. According to TKL, there are 525 listings worth $1 million and 44 listings worth $5 million, suggesting DOGE layoffs could affect people in high-profile jobs.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-layoffs-median-home-price-washington-dc.html
 
BabyBoomer50s said:
Just a heads up. June 14 will be an official holiday on the Politics Board to celebrate Trump’s birthday and recognize him as the founder of America’s Golden Age.

http://tenney.house.gov/media/press...ake-president-trumps-birthday-federal-holiday
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When he's going to start building statues of himself. Oh and lets not forget those large wall murals in every neighbourhood. Every good Trumpy like you will also have a picture of him hanging in the kitchen too, so you can worship him each morning. *chuckles*
 
Where else are all those unqualified pencil pushers going to work? They won't survive in the private sector. :)
 
JohnEngelman said:
Democrats claim that the administration of Franklin Roosevelt ended the Great Depression.
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New Deal:

Effectiveness[edit]​

The staying power of New Deal policies was decidedly mixed. One key piece of legislation, the head-scratching National Industrial Recovery Act, was struck down by the Supreme Court in May 1935, one month before it was set to expire anyway. Part of the Agricultural Adjustment Act was also struck down in 1936. FDR threatened to expand the Supreme Court with new appointees in response, which led to the sitting justices having a change of heart and upholding later New Deal legislation, so the threatened expansion of the court never actually took place. The Civilian Conservation Corps, which provided employment in parks and forestry work to unemployed young adults, was one of the most popular New Deal programs but was abandoned at the start of World War II when young adults were press-ganged once the government decided it had bigger priorities.

Also abandoned at the start of WWII were the Works Progress Administration and the Public Works Administration. On the other hand, the Tennessee Valley Authority, another popular agency that brought rural electrification to much of the Southeast, continues to this day. Three key pieces of the New Deal had wide-reaching and long-lasting effects: Social Security; the Glass-Steagall Act, which regulated banking[note 3] and established the FDIC; and the Wagner Act (or National Labor Relations Act), which provided a governmental mechanism through which employee organization into labor unions could take place.

American conservatives (and especially libertarians), then and now, hate every facet of the New Deal, and, indeed, they claim that FDR's policies did nothing to prevent a second slowdown beginning in 1937,[note 4] and that the (oh, the irony!) unprecedented deficit spending and full employment required to wage the total war of World War II was finally sufficient to get America into economic recovery. Also ironic was that at least one New Deal agency, the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, came about during the Herbert Hoover administration and not FDR's. Banning the private possession of gold, however, was just stupid and was not repealed until 1975 — conservative opponents of the New Deal do have a point on that one.

Today, some self-styled progressives are enamoured of the New Deal and look back nostalgically on the Roosevelt years as some kind of golden age, without acknowledging the occasional mishaps. The New Deal was a revolutionary policy, improving the life of the common citizen, and for providing jobs for the unemployed, legal protection for labor unionists, regulations on Wall Street, more involvement for women workers, modern utilities for rural America, living wages for the working poor, and price stability for the family farmer. It was the first program to put African Americans under full-fledged government jobs under the New Deal, which foreshadowed the Civil Rights movement, and LBJ's Great Society, which helped tackle poverty, was inspired by the New Deal. However, its implementation was shaky at times, experimental at first, and some programs needed to be changed (or just dropped altogether) so it could work more efficiently. Many were alarmed at the scrapping of certain programs in favour of fueling the Vietnam War effort, and many would argue that the New Deal didn't go far enough, but it still went further than any other policy has ever done since then.

Despite the overall success of the New Deal, it was burdened by the necessity of northern Democrats making an alliance of with racist southern Dixiecrats, because Republicans were almost entirely opposed to the New Deal. The consequences of political brokering were such that many benefits, while not explicitly race-based, were nonetheless racially-biased against African Americans. Two key elements of that bias were:[7]:14-24

  1. The exclusion from Social Security of farm workers and domestic servants (maids). At the time, these occupations were dominated by African Americans, particularly in the South.
  2. The local control of federal funds, which meant that White racists decided who was eligible for funds in most cases.

 
JohnEngelman said:
Republicans claim that the administration of Franklin Roosevelt prolonged the Great Depression.
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New Deal:

New Deal denialism[edit]​

"New Deal denialism" is a term coined by historian Eric Rauchway in response to the start of the "New Deal made the Depression worse!" myth by revisionist journalist Amity Shlaes.[8] Naturally, this was parroted by George Will and sufficiently distorted by Fox News as the "consensus" among "historians."[9] Just in time to squawk about the stimulus package! In reality, however, three-quarters of historians don't believe that the New Deal prolonged and deepened the Great Depression. There is no consensus among economists as to whether the New Deal worked or not, however.[10]

Of course, Republicans have to re-write the history of the New Deal or all their laissez-faire bloviating falls flat. If the biggest Keynesian experiment in American history succeeded, it undercuts all their arguments that government can never do anything right (we mean, just look at the DMV).[note 5] Here are the most oft-repeated denialist talking points and why they're wrong (most of which Rauchway goes into great depth about):[8]

  1. "The often overlooked Depression of 1920 only took one year to resolve itself with no government intervention." (See the Depression of 1920 page.)
  2. Cherry-picked statistics a la Shlaes. (Shlaes and Company like to cite unemployment statistics that exclude government jobs for no other reason than that they weren't "real" jobs. Rauchway goes into detail about how Shlaes uses unreliable and non-standard statistics that no honest historians or economists would use to "prove" her case. The ironic thing is, even using the least flattering statistics, it still shows that economic conditions improved under FDR.)
    1. As a corollary, Senator Chuck Grassley claimed in 2019 that the New Deal "hurt jobs" as a rationalization for opposing the proposed Green New Deal, but the "hurt jobs" claim is also disproven by statistics.[4]:143-148
  3. "The NRA was communism!" (The favourite target of anti-New Dealers. The National Recovery Administration was a disaster, and even FDR recognized that. It became a hotbed of crony capitalism through legalized cartels that were allowed to fix prices, etc. It's true that the economy might have recovered faster without the NRA, but it was scrapped by 1935 and by 1936, GDP was back to pre-crash levels anyway. The NRA was only a major policy for two years.)
  4. "It was World War II that got us out of the Great Depression, not the New Deal/all that government spending!" (Partially true. By 1936, GDP had recovered to where it was in 1929, though unemployment was still lagging behind it. Technically, we were no longer in a "depression" or "recession" at that point. As noted above, Republicans, as well as some in Roosevelt's cabinet, called for austerity measures. FDR complied and attempted to balance the budget, raise taxes, and they allowed the Fed to run a contractionary policy. In 1937, the Roosevelt Recession rolled around and the economy dipped, but never back to the depths it had before. In fact, we were exiting the Depression by the time the Japanese hit Pearl Harbor. And for those who make the latter argument above, well, it's just damned stupid and incoherent. What do you call all the spending we did during WWII?![note 6]
And the "FDR turned a recession into a depression" line is so removed from reality as to not even be worth responding to.
 
Fuzzy1975 said:
When he's going to start building statues of himself. Oh and lets not forget those large wall murals in every neighbourhood. Every good Trumpy like you will also have a picture of him hanging in the kitchen too, so you can worship him each morning. *chuckles*
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They’re putting statues in Canada, Greenland and Gaza.
 
No it’s not but should be run like one with a real budget not giving BS to foreign countries
 
Saint_Ann said:
Where else are all those unqualified pencil pushers going to work? They won't survive in the private sector. :)
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We've been told for decades that they're the "best and the brightest." The private sector should be lining up to bid for their services. :)
 
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