KarenAM
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We Buy Oil From These People...
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rgraham666
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I'm thinking of a cartoon I saw many years ago.
It's a picture of Uncle Sam, and Uncle Sam is a junkie. He's shooting up and the syringe is an oil barrel.
The caption reads, "Hey man. I don't care what it's costing me. I need it."
The worst one I ever heard of is the story of a Saudi princess who fell in love with a commoner.
The police shot the commoner. The princess they took to the top of an apartment building…
And threw her off of it.
It's a picture of Uncle Sam, and Uncle Sam is a junkie. He's shooting up and the syringe is an oil barrel.
The caption reads, "Hey man. I don't care what it's costing me. I need it."
The worst one I ever heard of is the story of a Saudi princess who fell in love with a commoner.
The police shot the commoner. The princess they took to the top of an apartment building…
And threw her off of it.
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Thanx for posting this. I won't remember it when i'm pumping gas next, but it is a good reminder of how different things are elsewhere in the world. It also gives me pause when I think about several of our rights here, both men and women, and of every minority and majority group. We tend ot overlook how lucky we are to have less trying discriminations pressed on us.
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What? Venezuela is commiting atrocities and human right violations now? That's where MOST of our oil imports come from last time I checked.
Who do you propose that we buy our oil from? The Swiss?
The Swiss don't have any cultural foibles we can object to. They'd be the perfect country to buy our oil from -- Just one minor problem: The Swiss don't HAVE any oil fields.
The one country I can think of that would satisfy the moral indingnants is GB, and they are using most of their Northsea output themselves.
Of course we buy oil from OPEC: they're the ones who HAVE oil.
Who do you propose that we buy our oil from? The Swiss?
The Swiss don't have any cultural foibles we can object to. They'd be the perfect country to buy our oil from -- Just one minor problem: The Swiss don't HAVE any oil fields.
The one country I can think of that would satisfy the moral indingnants is GB, and they are using most of their Northsea output themselves.
Of course we buy oil from OPEC: they're the ones who HAVE oil.
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High time we started taking alternative energy research more seriously. Why line the pockets of people who treat women like possessions and fund terrorists, when you could be saving the environment instead?
OK, tree-hugging hippy rant over
OK, tree-hugging hippy rant over
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scheherazade_79 said:
I agree with you and pretty much HAVE agreed with you for 40+ years.
(Well I've held that opinion for 40+ years, anyway.)We're finally getting close to doing something, though -- If I hit the lottery or a rich relative kicks off I'm buying one of the Hybrid 4x4's that are finally on the market.
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Oh dear. I can see I'm entering a can of worms.
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Re: Re: We Buy Oil From These People...
Well, since you bring it up, YES!Weird Harold said:
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Re: Re: Re: We Buy Oil From These People...
Actually I knew that. I believe I later pointed out that Great Britain is the ONLY member of OPEC that has a decent human rights record.
Lauren Hynde said:Well, since you bring it up, YES!
Actually I knew that. I believe I later pointed out that Great Britain is the ONLY member of OPEC that has a decent human rights record.
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Notice how factual and sensible tree hugging hippies are.scheherazade_79 said:High time we started taking alternative energy research more seriously. Why line the pockets of people who treat women like possessions and fund terrorists, when you could be saving the environment instead?
OK, tree-hugging hippy rant over
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scheherazade_79 said:High time we started taking alternative energy research more seriously. Why line the pockets of people who treat women like possessions and fund terrorists, when you could be saving the environment instead?
OK, tree-hugging hippy rant over
One of the problems with alternative energy sources is that most of them are not truly sources. Most of them actually require more energy inoput than can be extracted from them. Even alternative energy sources that are actually energy sources often have very bad environmental impacts. Windmills are a nice source of free energy. Unfortunately efficient windmills produce large amounts of low frequemcy noise. It can be hell to live even miles from a windmill farm.
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Harold,
Yes, we are the Great Britain who invaded a country that was no threat to us.
We are the Great Britain who have just passed legislation allowing a politician to order people to be detained in prison indefinitely, without ever being charged or seeing the evidence against them, and without being able to appoint their own counsel.
We are the people who deployed tanks around our major airport just to scare our parliament into backing anti-terrorist legislation.
And we are the Great Britain about to spend £10 billion on compulsory identity cards for "security reasons" even though the government have admitted they won't improve security at all.
Luckily, our oil is running out anyway and is far too high a quality to put in an engine. We actually swap ours for cheaper crap from Venezuela and Russia. Perhaps an oil supply with the fewest human rights issues would be Canada, but you'd best develop a way of getting oil from oil shale if you want it to last more than a few days.
Richard - I lived next to a wind farm for several years. Giant, 200 ft turbines they were and only 600 yards from my house. Never heard a thing. If the wind is not blowing past them towards your house, you can't hear them. If it's blowing past them towards your house, you can't hear them above the noise of the wind anyway. Aesthetics is a personal issue - I think they look fantastic but I can understand why others don't. Putting them 20 miles offshore makes more sense in all sorts of ways.
Yes, we are the Great Britain who invaded a country that was no threat to us.
We are the Great Britain who have just passed legislation allowing a politician to order people to be detained in prison indefinitely, without ever being charged or seeing the evidence against them, and without being able to appoint their own counsel.
We are the people who deployed tanks around our major airport just to scare our parliament into backing anti-terrorist legislation.
And we are the Great Britain about to spend £10 billion on compulsory identity cards for "security reasons" even though the government have admitted they won't improve security at all.
Luckily, our oil is running out anyway and is far too high a quality to put in an engine. We actually swap ours for cheaper crap from Venezuela and Russia. Perhaps an oil supply with the fewest human rights issues would be Canada, but you'd best develop a way of getting oil from oil shale if you want it to last more than a few days.
Richard - I lived next to a wind farm for several years. Giant, 200 ft turbines they were and only 600 yards from my house. Never heard a thing. If the wind is not blowing past them towards your house, you can't hear them. If it's blowing past them towards your house, you can't hear them above the noise of the wind anyway. Aesthetics is a personal issue - I think they look fantastic but I can understand why others don't. Putting them 20 miles offshore makes more sense in all sorts of ways.
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We'll never act against these people. We're addicts. And addicts are never anything but excruciatingly polite to their dealers.
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RR said, in part: "...One of the problems with alternative energy sources is that most of them are not truly sources. Most of them actually require more energy inoput than can be extracted from them. Even alternative energy sources that are actually energy sources often have very bad environmental impacts..."
Two of the answers to the use of fossil fuel, oil, coal and natural gas, are Nuclear Energy and Hydroelectric dams.
Both are non polluting. However, a coalition of political lobbyists have stopped the contruction of nuclear plants in the USA for over 30 years, (another hangover of the 60's and 70's) and to my knowledge no new hydroelectric dams have been constructed for a similar period of time.
Further, that same coalition has acted to prevent oil exploration and drilling both on land and off shore and fought to prevent the creation of oil piples and refineries being built anywhere.
The 'chickens' have come home to roost in the tree of the Left Wing, oh, was that the West Wing? sighs...
oh, by the way....if you get a chance to see a Science Channel special, "Shanghai Express, Ocean Highway Hauler" on the series: "Superships" you might be as amazed as I was concerning German technology in automating 'container ships' using robots and computer technology.
Ships that travel from Hamburg and Rotterdam to China through the Suez carrying 7500 containers each way. Hapag-Lloyd has plans to open new seaports and build ships with the capacity to carry 10,000 containers.
The technology is truly fascinating.
amicus...
Two of the answers to the use of fossil fuel, oil, coal and natural gas, are Nuclear Energy and Hydroelectric dams.
Both are non polluting. However, a coalition of political lobbyists have stopped the contruction of nuclear plants in the USA for over 30 years, (another hangover of the 60's and 70's) and to my knowledge no new hydroelectric dams have been constructed for a similar period of time.
Further, that same coalition has acted to prevent oil exploration and drilling both on land and off shore and fought to prevent the creation of oil piples and refineries being built anywhere.
The 'chickens' have come home to roost in the tree of the Left Wing, oh, was that the West Wing? sighs...
oh, by the way....if you get a chance to see a Science Channel special, "Shanghai Express, Ocean Highway Hauler" on the series: "Superships" you might be as amazed as I was concerning German technology in automating 'container ships' using robots and computer technology.
Ships that travel from Hamburg and Rotterdam to China through the Suez carrying 7500 containers each way. Hapag-Lloyd has plans to open new seaports and build ships with the capacity to carry 10,000 containers.
The technology is truly fascinating.
amicus...
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not in OPEC
I don't think we are in OPEC. You need to an Arab or corrupt to be in that. I think.
If it would salve the American conscience we could buy your oil from OPEC for you. Then our Government could Tax it at the level they do ours, that would have the effect of clearing our National Debt and of reducing your consumption when you have to pay $6.50 a gallon. Which would be good for global warning.
I don't think we are in OPEC. You need to an Arab or corrupt to be in that. I think.
If it would salve the American conscience we could buy your oil from OPEC for you. Then our Government could Tax it at the level they do ours, that would have the effect of clearing our National Debt and of reducing your consumption when you have to pay $6.50 a gallon. Which would be good for global warning.
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Thanks for the post, Karen. That's a powerful article.
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A powerful and well written article. Unfortunately it reminds me of some of my nations history. (Or should I say fortunately?)
We saw some of this during the Gulf War when Female troops were not allowed off post because we did not wish to alarm or offend the Saudies.
While I do not agree with their attitudes and beliefes about women, (some of which are echoed by my fellow citizens of the United States,) I don't believe in trying to change them. I will not push my views on them and hope they will not push their views on me. Hopefully their views will change as they did here.
Cat
We saw some of this during the Gulf War when Female troops were not allowed off post because we did not wish to alarm or offend the Saudies.
While I do not agree with their attitudes and beliefes about women, (some of which are echoed by my fellow citizens of the United States,) I don't believe in trying to change them. I will not push my views on them and hope they will not push their views on me. Hopefully their views will change as they did here.
Cat
