We aint immoral after all....

Draco

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From Blubster.com (a new file sharing service)

After months of low-key complaints, the chief executive of the consumer electronics makers trade group on Tuesday launched a bitter attack on record labels' and movie studios' anti-piracy campaigns.

In a speech given at a storage technology conference in San Francisco, Consumer Electronics Association CEO Gary Shapiro blasted the copyright owners' "scorched earth" legal and policy drives and warned policymakers against passing new legislation without serious scrutiny of labels' and movie studios' claims.

"The entire theme of the copyright community is that downloading off the Web is both illegal and immoral," Shapiro said, according to the text of his speech. "It is neither." The speech marks Shapiro and the consumer electronics community's boldest recent statement against the record companies' and movie studios' efforts. The group's words place it squarely in the midst of a cross-industry backlash to the copyright holders' war on Internet piracy, however. ISPs (Internet service providers) and technology companies have separately made their own displeasure public in recent weeks. For the most part, consumer electronics companies have been careful to say that they are working with copyright holders to find an appropriate balance between consumer and copyright holders rights and that they respect the labels' and studios' goals. But the heightening rhetoric leveled at people who download movies and music off the Net, along with bills introduced in Congress that would force electronics companies to change the way they make their products, has brought matters to an unacceptable situation, Shapiro said. "The copyright community has declared war on technology and is using lawsuits, legislatures and clever public relations to restrict the ability to sell and use new technologies," Shapiro said. "Content providers would be served better by working with technology companies to deploy (anti-piracy technologies) rather than suing everyone and lobbying Congress." Record and movie studios have blamed a decline in record sales on the spread of Internet file-sharing and unauthorized CD burning. Fast-rising downloads of movies online threatens to have a similar impact on movie industry profits, studios contend. The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) recently said that CD shipments for the first half of the year were down nearly 7 percent. The group pointed to consumer behavior studies it said showed that people who use file-swapping networks tend to buy fewer CDs. The motion picture industry has been even more aggressive in petitioning Congress for help against what it perceives as online threats. Several controversial bills have been introduced that would respectively force computer and technology companies to add anti-piracy features to their products and would let copyright owners use hacker-style attacks on peer-to-peer networks that have been used to swap billions of copies of their products. In his speech, Shapiro hit several familiar notes, saying that the music and movie companies should not "whine" about the inability to compete with free file-swapping services, and instead should "should stop complaining so much and look for technological solutions to its own problems." Much of the last few years has been dedicated to looking for "technological solutions," however. The music-industry sponsored Secure Digital Music Initiative (SDMI) and several movie industry-backed efforts, both with participation by technology and consumer electronics companies, have spent considerable time looking at different ways to protect content against illegal copying. Most of these efforts have broken down after the various participants have found themselves unable to agree on a solution.

So, share them files, and FUCK EM ALL....:D
 
Once again I begin my rant.

Software makers, DVD and Movie studio's, Record companies take NOTE.

If you want us to stop trading files, and copying stuff, LOWER YOUR FUCKING PRICES.

Stop shafting your artist's and lining your pockets. Greedy cunts.

In NZ where I hail from a music CD is $35 dollars.
A game costs about $100
A DVD is $50
Windows XP Home is $309 Pro is $609

you dont want to know what Office XP Pro is, its in the thousands.

Now, a NZ dollar is worth about 50 Cents US, so that gives you an idea of what it costs in real money.

A blank CD costs about $1.50, you do the math.

If DVDs, Games, etc were a resonable price, I'd have no problem with purchasing them, but until they lower the cost, I'll put my faith in my trusty LG CD-RW.
 
I would think that in a place like NZ there would be a lot to do, see, and experience that doesn't involve ANY of those things.

That's the best way to affect the Supply/Demand curve...
 
Draco said:
If you want us to stop trading files, and copying stuff, LOWER YOUR FUCKING PRICES.
I do think that the entertainment content companies should lower their prices, but that does not excuse stealing their content. I would love to own a number of things that I cannot afford, but I don't go out and steal them - and yes that includes music (no I do not download or trade MP3s - I just got on my mother's case last week when she told me she installed Kazaa on her computer for the purpose of trading music).
 
Draco said:
Once again I begin my rant.

Software makers, DVD and Movie studio's, Record companies take NOTE.

If you want us to stop trading files, and copying stuff, LOWER YOUR FUCKING PRICES.

Stop shafting your artist's and lining your pockets. Greedy cunts.

In NZ where I hail from a music CD is $35 dollars.
A game costs about $100
A DVD is $50
Windows XP Home is $309 Pro is $609

you dont want to know what Office XP Pro is, its in the thousands.

Now, a NZ dollar is worth about 50 Cents US, so that gives you an idea of what it costs in real money.

A blank CD costs about $1.50, you do the math.

If DVDs, Games, etc were a resonable price, I'd have no problem with purchasing them, but until they lower the cost, I'll put my faith in my trusty LG CD-RW.


Yes, but the price of an emu in the USA is is close to $7000.
I'm sorry.
Please return to the topic...
 
Moi said:
Yes, but the price of an emu in the USA is close to $7000.

Emu...??? WTF is it about Emu's? Ostrich tastes far better.

Heretic, well, lets just say your moral codes and my moral codes shall differ. I dont look it as theft, I look at it as sharing. And, in general, it is not theft of copyrighted materials (in my eyes). When I worked in the web/grahics industry, copyright becomes null and void if you alter something more than 15%. Mp3 compression alters what the record company (or movie studio in the case of DVD) put on their CD or DVD by more than 15%, so that whole "breach of copyright" thing doesn't hold water.

Most of the music and MPG movies I have on my system are rips from my own CD and DVD collection. Thats not theft, that comes under the 'fair use' clause. I can legally make ONE copy for back-up purposes. (READ a EULA 'End User Licensing Agreement) sometime. You are usually allowed to make 1 copy of a cd or dvd for archive purposes.

We'll just have to differ on this subject.
 
The internet cafe must have opened earlier than normal this morning :rolleyes:
 
Hanns_Schmidt said:
When i'm all old and grown up like you...I may give up playing with toy guns, but I'll never give up playing with myself! WANK ON HANNS, Mommy still luvs ya
 
Reyna123 said:
I think I have a crush on Draco
(Daddy)

*sigh*

SHHHH, dont tell everyone, they'll all want some of the "Draco" magic. See, they're gettin jealous already....:D
 
Draco said:
Once again I begin my rant.

Software makers, DVD and Movie studio's, Record companies take NOTE.

If you want us to stop trading files, and copying stuff, LOWER YOUR FUCKING PRICES.

Stop shafting your artist's and lining your pockets. Greedy cunts.

In NZ where I hail from a music CD is $35 dollars.
A game costs about $100
A DVD is $50
Windows XP Home is $309 Pro is $609

you dont want to know what Office XP Pro is, its in the thousands.

Now, a NZ dollar is worth about 50 Cents US, so that gives you an idea of what it costs in real money.

A blank CD costs about $1.50, you do the math.

If DVDs, Games, etc were a resonable price, I'd have no problem with purchasing them, but until they lower the cost, I'll put my faith in my trusty LG CD-RW.

I have a hard time going either way on the mp3 sharing phenomenon. It's hard to justify taking songs from someone you don't know when people take whole albums and burn them on to CD's, making near perfect copies in less than an hour. However, what we're really talking about is making mixed tapes on your computer, which the music industry has never cared too much about until it became ridiculously easy and efficient to do it with mass quantities and great quality. I try to justify it by taking few songs, and those are mainly ones I hear on the radio. Instead of taping them, like I used to, I download them. But I digress.

I have little problem with pirating overpriced software. Especially considering Win XP. I had Windows 98, an OS I liked, but needed a new computer and had to get one with Win XP (Home edition)on it. I could have reformatted it and put 98 on it, but that would have been trouble, and I have no idea if the hardware "prefers" XP or not.

Windows XP Home Edition is pretty damn inferior to Professional. I can't believe that every time MS releases an OS, they undo some of the great features that were in the last one. Networking pisses me off with XP. I'm probably going to get a pirated version of XP Professional because I deserve it, goddammit. I paid good money for my computer. I'm not going to pay extra for features that should have been included in the first place.

And no software should be in the thousands, unless it blows you. That's my rant.
 
MechaBlade said:
And no software should be in the thousands, unless it blows you. That's my rant.

Now, I'd BUY a copy of THAT....!!! :D
 
Uh, on topic let me say...

I can see both sides of this issue. Yeah, I have over 7G of music and movies on my hard drive, most of I have bought in another format at one time or another in my life (cassette, album, 8 track:eek: ) So I don't feel too guilty having downloaded it to burn onto CD.

It's like finding money on the street.

However, I will buy a new CD if I really dig the artist and there's more than one good song on a $17 CD.
 
Hanns_Schmidt said:
ok, we'll see who the fool is tomorrow

yesterday, today , tomorrow...

You prove yourself the fool Hanns, with every post.

Run away little boy, I'm getting tired of you now.....
 
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