Wat's Guns-N-Stuff Thread

[Chobham]

The amendment discusses militia

Are you part of one?

An exemplary phrase that could be totally stripped from the amendment without changing it's meaning at all. "The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed." It's a standalone sentence.

 

[ll74]

An exemplary phrase that could be totally stripped from the amendment without changing it's meaning at all. "The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed." It's a standalone sentence.

Militia

Why is the word there? Textualism.....every word....or not.... (Hint: it's the same sentence)

 

[Starfire6369]

It was also the intention according to the Federalist Papers (the guys who wrote the Constitution) that a Federal Standing Army was not to be equal to the combined States Militias. Just saying. Biden's remark about needing F-15s and nukes to take on the government shows just how far we've gone from the original intent.

 

[Chobham]

It was also the intention according to the Federalist Papers (the guys who wrote the Constitution) that a Federal Standing Army was not to be equal to the combined States Militias. Just saying. Biden's remark about needing F-15s and nukes to take on the government shows just how far we've gone from the original intent.

Biden's a fucking moron. Any president that issued such orders would most likely find half of those jets heading to DC to deliver their payload. Throughout history those tyrants that have ordered their military to be used against their own civilian population have enjoyed a 50% chance of success at best and ultimately destroyed their nation.

 

[Starfire6369]

Biden's a fucking moron. Any president that issued such orders would most likely find half of those jets heading to DC to deliver their payload. Throughout history those tyrants that have ordered their military to be used against their own civilian population have enjoyed a 50% chance of success at best and ultimately destroyed their nation.

Have you seen what our military posts on tik-tok recently?

 

[coati]

It was also the intention according to the Federalist Papers (the guys who wrote the Constitution) that a Federal Standing Army was not to be equal to the combined States Militias. Just saying. Biden's remark about needing F-15s and nukes to take on the government shows just how far we've gone from the original intent.

Well, gosh, don't worry! Harpy taught me on this thread that God wants widespread distribution of military grade weapons among the civilian population, so you can count on them to provide a huge unregulated militia, as JoePepsiCo says, "in a pinch..."

You see, the virtual world of this porn board and other sites has made it possible for the Deplorables to stand up to the Federal Standing Army. No worries!

 

[TrailerHitch]

Well, gosh, don't worry! Harpy taught me on this thread that God wants widespread distribution of military grade weapons among the civilian population, so you can count on them to provide a huge unregulated militia, as JoePepsiCo says, "in a pinch..."

You see, the virtual world of this porn board and other sites has made it possible for the Deplorables to stand up to the Federal Standing Army. No worries!

You assume that if the President, with Congresses approval, ordered the Federal Military to move against the civilian population that they would all automatically comply. I think there would be elements that would believe it to be an unlawful order and not comply. How many I have no idea.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

The independent clause in the 2A is about the right of the people. The militia reference is in a dependent clause and is not the subject. Diagram the sentence and see for yourself. By the way, you're the militia, too, even though you're in the piss-weak part.


There is no god but Allah. Just because you decline to believe it doesn't mean he ain't there.

 

[coati]

You assume that if the President, with Congresses approval, ordered the Federal Military to move against the civilian population that they would all automatically comply. I think there would be elements that would believe it to be an unlawful order and not comply. How many I have no idea.

I do not assume that.

It was the now-indicted former President who wanted the Federal Military to overrule the election results of the civilian population. Holding to the Constitution, the Military did not comply.

Neither did the Vice President.

They stood up to the Deplorables.

 

[Chobham]

I do not assume that.

It was the now-indicted former President who wanted the Federal Military to overrule the election results of the civilian population. Holding to the Constitution, the Military did not comply.

Neither did the Vice President.

They stood up to the Deplorables.

Untrue.

 

[Lazaran]

Biden's a fucking moron. Any president that issued such orders would most likely find half of those jets heading to DC to deliver their payload. Throughout history those tyrants that have ordered their military to be used against their own civilian population have enjoyed a 50% chance of success at best and ultimately destroyed their nation.

This ^ moron completely missed the point of President Biden’s comments about the absurdity of citizens having / trying to arm themselves on a par with the U. S. military for "reasons".



That ^ was in relation to the citizens who feel the need to possess assault rifles with ridiculous capacity and firing capabilities to match up with the military for "reasons".



Ironically, if there ever was a need for the citizenry to rebel against a truly tyrannical government, stockpiling food and water and engaging in massive nonviolent acts of civil disobedience would accomplish the task much more quickly and far less painfully than some romanticized tilt against "Deep State" forces. (Someone watched “Red Dawn” a few too many times) - Even more ironically, a second Drumpf term could actually spark such massive nonviolent acts of civil disobedience.



Of course, morons like Chobby conveniently ignore the ACTUAL threat of a tyrannical Drumpf second term, even though that corrupt orange traitor and the MAGAt cabal have openly advertised plans for seizing absolute control of government.



JFC

SAD!!!

 

[HisArpy]

Well, gosh, don't worry! Harpy taught me on this thread that God wants widespread distribution of military grade weapons among the civilian population, so you can count on them to provide a huge unregulated militia, as JoePepsiCo says, "in a pinch..."

You see, the virtual world of this porn board and other sites has made it possible for the Deplorables to stand up to the Federal Standing Army. No worries!

The problem here is that even though class was in session, you still didn't actually learn anything.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Once, a long time ago, there was a wise Zen master. People from far and near would seek his counsel and ask for his wisdom. Many would come and ask him to teach them, enlighten them in the way of Zen. He seldom turned any away.One day an important man, a man used to command and obedience came to visit the master. “I have come today to ask you to teach me about Zen. Open my mind to enlightenment.” The tone of the important man’s voice was one used to getting his own way.

The Zen master smiled and said that they should discuss the matter over a cup of tea. When the tea was served the master poured his visitor a cup. He poured and he poured and the tea rose to the rim and began to spill over the table and finally onto the robes of the wealthy man. Finally the visitor shouted, “Enough. You are spilling the tea all over. Can’t you see the cup is full?”

The master stopped pouring and smiled at his guest. “You are like this tea cup, so full that nothing more can be added. Come back to me when the cup is empty. Come back to me with an empty mind.”


Oh, and for the record, Jesus hates a pussy.

 

[HisArpy]

No, the Heller v DC decision does not cite God as the grantor of gun rights, nor does it cite the Declaration of Independence.

The Supreme Court majority cites the Second Amendment as the basis for their decision, and only uses historical context to define who benefits from the Second Amendment (e.g., only militias?). History is only prefatory to interpreting what was meant by the writers of the Second Amendment. In fact, the second part of the Heller decision describes the limits of the Second Amendment. Did God take away certain rights, or are there humans involved in defining these rights and the limits thereto?

Where is God actually cited in any court case related to gun rights? [hint: the Declaration of Independence is not a court case]

Give me a link to specific court case in which the decision has stated God and/or the Declaration of Independence are the statutory basis for gun rights. Still waiting.

Also still waiting on proof of your alternative theory about the molecular structure of water. Was that alternative structure defined by God?

I gave you the information. For free. If you refuse to see it or understand you're wrong on EVERYTHING you say here, that's on you because it's not my job to hold your little dick while you piss on your own feet.

 

[HisArpy]

The Alinsky pattern is obvious.

They seem to be ignorant of, or ignoring, the fact that the courts are tearing down their silly, do nothing, gun laws as fast as the bed wetters can dream them up.

They don't care. Their entire schtick isn't to actually accomplish anything, they're only out to make the lives of the rest of us just as miserable as they are.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

They don't care. Their entire schtick isn't to actually accomplish anything, they're only out to make the lives of the rest of us just as miserable as they are.

Exactly. The Clintonista Ban was a piece of feel-good do-little legislation which raised the prices of some items over here and changed what was for sale of some items over there, and the whole thing had a time limit on it anyway. What it did do was lead to a large swing in Congress. Of course, if someone wants to attribute other results to it, there's little to stop that. My assessments hits the high points.

 

[coati]

Untrue.

Trump's goons approached the DOD, DHS, and DOJ to see if he could seize voting machines in swing states. All refused to comply.
Trump himself told Pence not to certify the results of the 2020 election, even after the court cases and audits had been conducted. Pence refused to comply.

The threat of a President trying to use the Federal Military against the civilian population comes from autocratic candidates backed by the Deplorables. They were the ones floating the idea of martial law when Trump lost in 2020.

Sore crybaby losers, who have nothing left to do but stroke the barrels of their guns and foolishly fantasize about being Zen masters who might someday take over by force.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

1 + 3 = 13, and then install as many 0's behind that as "needed."


Fascinating . . . .

 

[Chobham]

Trump's goons approached the DOD, DHS, and DOJ to see if he could seize voting machines in swing states. All refused to comply.
Trump himself told Pence not to certify the results of the 2020 election, even after the court cases and audits had been conducted. Pence refused to comply.

The threat of a President trying to use the Federal Military against the civilian population comes from autocratic candidates backed by the Deplorables. They were the ones floating the idea of martial law when Trump lost in 2020.

Sore crybaby losers, who have nothing left to do but stroke the barrels of their guns and foolishly fantasize about being Zen masters who might someday take over by force.

Allegations stated as fact..........fascinating.

 

[HisArpy]

Allegations stated as fact..........fascinating.

It's astounding that they believe that using the processes of the legal system somehow means Trump is dictatorial. Even as they use the processes of the legal system to persecute him.

 

[coati]

And the perpetual Deplorable victims continue to whine.

Sore crybaby losers, indeed.

 

[coati]

Even as they use the processes of the legal system to persecute him.

Nahhh! Jesus got persecuted. Trump is getting prosecuted.

Whine on, crybaby losers!

 

[Rightguide]

I recognize the SCOTUS ruling that you apparently don't...yes.

Apparently you only recognize the Supreme Court when it rules in your favor.

Whether I agree with a particular decision or not, it is constitutional law from that point until it is changed or becomes moot.

 

[ll74]

Whether I agree with a particular decision or not, it is constitutional law from that point until it is changed or becomes moot.

So you don't agree that the second amendment is not absolute. Got it.

It is not absolute

 

[Starfire6369]

People need to read the Federalist Papers to understand what was included in the Constitution and why but TLDR for most. Unless the do they'll continue arguing that the phrase militia is seperate from the people. It was Congress that changed the definition