Wat's Guns-N-Stuff Thread

[Sean Renaud]

Yawn...More blather from the resident leftist lunatic.

I have friends that own dozens of guns that have never broken the law with any of them. They hunt, they target shoot, and they hurt no one.

That doesn't make guns any less unsafe. Every year give or take there are 12k murders. Roughly 8k are done with handguns. Most are done by not criminals or at least what most of us would consider a non Criminal. Like not drug dealers or thieves. Maybe they've been in a brawl or two. I'm a male and I was young and know sometimes shit gets out of hand. I'm not gonna claim that I'm in the right if you call me a nigger and I call you KOd but that doesn't make me a bad person. Least I don't think it does. Its usually a crime of passion.

I am DEFINITELY not saying its okay to murder your wife or girlfriend because she cheated on you. Its not. However even those guys are pretty unlikely to do any more damage than was already done. Would i trust them with a gun again, probably not but the problem is they lost their shit, had easy access to a weapon and used it.

Also if you have friends with dozens of gun you know some cray cray people.

 

[TrailerHitch]

it never happens outside of specif circumstances. Its just something that triggers people. Just like rape or incest. Does it happen? Yes, does happen often enough to be part of an honest conversation? No if people were interested in lowering abortion rates we'd be providing free or at least cheap child care and higher wages. If you look at any poll about why women get abortions in no particular order it looks like this.

I want to finish school
I want to be farther along in my career
I'm single and wouldn't be able to care for the child

There are a few other things on the list but they mostly are "I can't afford this right now" phrased in different ways.

I don't care why they get an abortion, that's not my issue. My issue is late term abortions where there is no danger to the mother or the baby. It is ridiculous and selfish to carry a baby late term then abort it when you could have aborted it in the first month or 2.

No, if we were interested in lowering abortion rates BOTH partners in consensual sex would be responsible enough to use birth control. There are options for women, and condoms for men. BOTH are responsible for preventing an unwanted pregnancy.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't care why they get an abortion, that's not my issue. My issue is late term abortions where there is no danger to the mother or the baby. It is ridiculous and selfish to carry a baby late term then abort it when you could have aborted it in the first month or 2.

No, if we were interested in lowering abortion rates BOTH partners in consensual sex would be responsible enough to use birth control. There are options for women, and condoms for men. BOTH are responsible for preventing an unwanted pregnancy.

Nobody can even prove that late term abortions ever happen when there is no danger to the mother or child. Its just something that triggers people.

There being options for women and condoms for men doesn't change the financial situation for many young people. Twenty year old me even if we both worked full time we'd be in a in a room apartment. I didn't say a damn thing about men not sharing responsibility. I was saying our pay is such shit for many jobs that we'd be only slightly less fucked and then we'd have a different problem. My father wasn't an absentee father in the traditional sense. If you don't count dropping me off at the bus I might see him one or twice a week. I would HATE to do that to a kid and these days we have a shit relationship.

You do know almost every abortion is in the thirst 3 months and a woman might not know in the first month. Its not entirely uncommon to skip a cycle right?

 

[TrailerHitch]

That doesn't make guns any less unsafe. Every year give or take there are 12k murders. Roughly 8k are done with handguns. Most are done by not criminals or at least what most of us would consider a non Criminal. Like not drug dealers or thieves. Maybe they've been in a brawl or two. I'm a male and I was young and know sometimes shit gets out of hand. I'm not gonna claim that I'm in the right if you call me a nigger and I call you KOd but that doesn't make me a bad person. Least I don't think it does. Its usually a crime of passion.

I am DEFINITELY not saying its okay to murder your wife or girlfriend because she cheated on you. Its not. However even those guys are pretty unlikely to do any more damage than was already done. Would i trust them with a gun again, probably not but the problem is they lost their shit, had easy access to a weapon and used it.

Also if you have friends with dozens of gun you know some cray cray people.

In 2021 over 13,000 people died in drunk driving accidents, up 14% from 2020. Were those drivers criminals before they killed someone driving drunk? Maybe driving drunk is a crime of passion? Because in my mind a drunk driving death is murder. It was a premeditated act.

Your act of punching someone over calling you a slur is battery plain and simple. You broke the law. Yet you condone your "crime of passion." Why? It maybe doesn't make you a bad person but it does make it clear you committed a crime.

Whether they own one or a dozen, or dozens of guns doesn't alone make them crazy, or a criminal.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Nobody can even prove that late term abortions ever happen when there is no danger to the mother or child. Its just something that triggers people.

There being options for women and condoms for men doesn't change the financial situation for many young people. Twenty year old me even if we both worked full time we'd be in a in a room apartment. I didn't say a damn thing about men not sharing responsibility. I was saying our pay is such shit for many jobs that we'd be only slightly less fucked and then we'd have a different problem. My father wasn't an absentee father in the traditional sense. If you don't count dropping me off at the bus I might see him one or twice a week. I would HATE to do that to a kid and these days we have a shit relationship.

You do know almost every abortion is in the thirst 3 months and a woman might not know in the first month. Its not entirely uncommon to skip a cycle right?

If you use birth control then the odds of an unwanted pregnancy almost disappear. The financial burden of a child is then moot.

I am not opposed to early term abortion. I already stated that.

 

[Sean Renaud]

While you need to cite that or at least explain the methodolgy drunk driving is a crime of irresponsible and stupid. At least in CA drunk driving IS considered murder. I think its nation wide because MADD but I don't have that data at hand.

Yes, I commited a crime. If getting in a fight made it illegal to own a gun that would solve 90% of the problem right out the gate.

I didn't say it makes criminals, I say cray cray.

Almost disappear and disappear are different terms and at the end of the day even talking about late term abortion is so dishonest its not even funny.

 

[adrina]

Nonsense. If it never happened it would not be an issue. The fact that it is allowed is enough of an issue for me to discuss it.

Name one time it has happened.

 

[adrina]

No sorry, only a hopelessly stupid, or selfish, woman would carry a baby for 9 months and then decide to abort it,. It isn't like she didn't know she was pregnant until 9 months along. You and I will never agree on this.

It is funny though that if she decides to keep the baby the biological father is on the hook to support it but has no rights in deciding whether to keep it or abort it. If the father says not interested and the mother against his wishes says she will keep it anyways then she should be financially responsible. Honestly this is why I never believed any woman when she said she was on birth control. Because woman sometimes lie and have ulterior motives when having sex. I ALWAYS used a condom with every woman I had sex with other than my wife. Yes Adrina, I took birth control responsibility. Because in the end I didn't want any kids back then.

I find it interesting that certain people, like yourself, will separate the moments of activity in the Kyle Rittenhouse situation. The moments include when it turns from offensive to defensive. Yet the same people, like yourself, cannot separate the actions of gestation and birth from raising a child. The reality is men do not experience gestation and giving birth. Women do. As such women have rights and responsibilities with gestation and birth that men do not. The financial end of it is a right and responsibility for both. But when it comes to gestation and giving birth, that is something that affects only the woman's body.

And considering in the situation of child support, that most men don't pay it I don't know how your argument is comparable to fetal slavery.

Again, name one time that a woman aborted in the 7th 8th or 9th trimester for a non-viable pregnancy. If you are so concerned about this situation, it should be fairly common and easy to find an example. Find it.

 

[Chobham]

Well Wat, if you're hell bent on getting a 27 make sure it has the target trigger and target hammer. If not make damn sure you get a good enough deal that a qualified gunsmith can install them for you.

 

[ll74]

Nonsense. If it never happened it would not be an issue. The fact that it is allowed is enough of an issue for me to discuss it.

It's allowed because it involves extreme situations which typically involves life threatening situations to the mother or the fetus. It's only an issue because the pro life groups obfuscate the truth to enrage its based.

 

[dkovic77]

I don't care why they get an abortion, that's not my issue. My issue is late term abortions where there is no danger to the mother or the baby. It is ridiculous and selfish to carry a baby late term then abort it when you could have aborted it in the first month or 2.

No, if we were interested in lowering abortion rates BOTH partners in consensual sex would be responsible enough to use birth control. There are options for women, and condoms for men. BOTH are responsible for preventing an unwanted pregnancy.

And, in the Bible thumping states (and companies)… how easy is it to get those “options” for women?

Please pontificate on that a bit. It will be fun.

Oh wait… they aren’t? Well quelle surprise.

Make all of those options fully available or shut the hell up with what a women does with her body. Pick one.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Well Wat, if you're hell bent on getting a 27 make sure it has the target trigger and target hammer. If not make damn sure you get a good enough deal that a qualified gunsmith can install them for you.

That's the plan. The trigger anyway.


That thing needs to get stoned . . . .

 

[icanhelp1]

Late-term abortions are only done in cases of massive fetal deformity, or life-threatening complications. There has never been a case of a woman in her final months having an elective abortion. Abortion law should not be shaped around overwrought hypotheticals.

But the left is pushing for late term abortion a la cart.

 

[Bn2f]

Tickles me to no end when the crowd who claim rampant trimester abortions and after birth abortions are prevalent with the confidence of a doctor can turn to INSIST everyone differentiate between automatic and semi automatic.

 

[ll74]

But the left is pushing for late term abortion a la cart.

The left is pushing for abortion to be available to all, no matter the circumstances....which includes extremely rare circumstances that the right doesn't seem to understand - except for those unfortunate people who have had to go through it.

Edit: correction - many on the left are pushing for abortion to be a right under any circumstances. The majority were fine with the viability clause of roe v wade, though I do believe most of us wanted more clarity on what it meant

 

[Chobham]

That's the plan. The trigger anyway.


That thing needs to get stoned . . . .

They all could use a little 'stoning."

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

But the left is pushing for late term abortion a la cart.

Exactly! No doctor is going to abort a viable fetus unless it’s necessary to save the mother’s life. Getting the government involved only makes it more likely that life-saving healthcare will be delayed.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

They all could use a little 'stoning."

They would not feel so all alone
if all of them just get stoned . . . .

 

[icanhelp1]

Exactly! No doctor is going to abort a viable fetus unless it’s necessary to save the mother’s life. Getting the government involved only makes it more likely that life-saving healthcare will be delayed.

Planned Parenthood doctors will.

 

[ll74]

Planned Parenthood doctors will.

You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

You are literally brainwashed by right wing media on this topic.

 

[adrina]

Planned Parenthood doctors will.

No they won't.

The anti abortion crowd is inherently dishonest.

Liars want to make abortion policy based on hysteria and falsehoods.

 

[Bn2f]

Planned Parenthood doctors will.

One can try to be funny and still never top you.

 

[Bn2f]

Planned Parenthood doctors will.

Except that here your grossly misinformed take is actually dangerous.

 

[icanhelp1]

No they won't.

The anti abortion crowd is inherently dishonest.

Liars want to make abortion policy based on hysteria and falsehoods.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/blog/theres-no-such-thing-as-a-late-term-abortion

“Bottom line: “Late-term abortion” isn’t a thing, except in the imaginations of anti-abortion rights activists. Abortion is health care, and health care is personal. People deserve to be in charge of their own medical decisions throughout their pregnancy. Lawmakers who care more about control than health or personal freedom don’t deserve to make those decisions for you or anybody else.”

If they don’t recognize* late term abortion *as a thing then you would have accept that abortion under Planned Parenthood’s parameters is the same up and down the spectrum of time, Just saying.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Planned Parenthood doctors will.

They never have. On the other hand seemingly responsible gun owners often snap and kill themselves or other innocents. You can make a much better case for banning private gun ownership than you can for banning late-term abortion.