Watcha Gonna Do Then?

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071020/D8SD2M700.html

When kids start sueing the school boards for millions and your school taxes go nuts.

 

[Stella_Omega]

"I know! We can put on a play in your father's barn!"

Oh, wait a minute-- I thought you were Mickey Rooney for a moment.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Careful BUCKO! I have a much better pirate suit than you, and a better Jolly Roger. Besides, youre likely one of the beasts in the article.

 

[Huckleman2000]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071020/D8SD2M700.html

When kids start sueing the school boards for millions and your school taxes go nuts.

Nothing is more revealing of your soullessness than the fact that you post an article about child sexual abuse by teachers, and your primary concern is the (potential) impact on your taxes.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Thats because the kiddies have all the fun and I have to pay for it. If you ever leave your mom and support yourself you'll know what I mean.

 

[Stella_Omega]

So listen, james...

I'm igging you for a while. I might respond to one of your posts in a thread, but I can see what kind of threads you start, and they're nothing worth talking about.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

STELLA

You'll be back.

 

[Huckleman2000]

Thats because the kiddies have all the fun and I have to pay for it. If you ever leave your mom and support yourself you'll know what I mean.

Child molestation is your idea of fun? You sick fuck. Even if that was an attempt at humor.

As for the second half of your post - a lifetime of work, and all you have to show for it is a bitter disrespect for people who've earned more money than you, and fear and loathing of those who've earned not as much?

The hell you live in is completely of your own making.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

"The hell you live in is completely of your own making."

Thank you, Jesus.

I feel no bitterness at all; people are very amusing.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Nothing is more revealing of your soullessness than the fact that you post an article about child sexual abuse by teachers, and your primary concern is the (potential) impact on your taxes.

That's because he about 90 miles to the right, Huck. He still believes they will find WMDs in Iraq, "Trickle Down" economics works and George W would be made King for all his good work.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

JENNY JACKSON youre nose is gonna grow! Shame, shame, shame.

 

[amicus]

Hey, hey, JBJ...ahem, stirring it up again I see. When I opened your thread there was only one response, by the time I had read the link you provided, let it sink in for a few minutes, scanned the rest of the page of posts, there were several and some testy ones at that.

Well, I am going to stir just a little more, toil and trouble, in my usual manner of seeing things somewhat differently than your average pornster.

Seeing every person under age eighteen as a 'victim' is, in my opinion, a bit of a liberal and feminist crock.

I also suggest that due to the plethora of 'school girl' fetishes on porn sites, that there has always been an intense interest in young females.

I choose not to even broach the homosexual aspect of the discussion, the references the Catholic Priests in the piece, there is sufficient substance in underage heterosexual tension to warrant attention.

Categorizing underage sexual activities in terms of criminality and punishment may be the only real method of dealing with the subject in practical terms, but I hardly think the basic issues are even touched upon.

Society, for reasons of convenience and efficiency in education, herds these young nubile, sexually explosive young people all together in a condensed location and then doesn't expect the pot to simmer and boil.

Recent news items about some school districts making condoms and birth control pills available to middle school children, sixth graders, beginning at ten or eleven years of age, I think acknowledges the fact that even young people at that age have a very intense interest in sexual activity.

Calling the adults charged with administering these young people, 'predators', is no doubt accurate in many circumstances, however, to view the students only as victims, I think, avoids the basic issue of sex between people in that environment.

I am going to confine my observations to the young ladies for obvious reasons for the purpose of my thesis here, as it helps explain from my point of view.

As a newspaper reporter and photographer, I observed a very high degree of sexual tension and competition of these young people and it is somewhat overwhelming, even to me as a man of normal and or, average libido.

You would no doubt be amused at some of the antics these young girls engaged in to get their pictures taken and into the local paper.

Women in general, I observe, tend to be more exhibitionist and it begins at a very young age, those girls are very well aware of what males look at and what attracts the eye and they perfect that skill amazingly quickly in some instances.

Also, teasing or hinting at offering sexual favors, even just visual pleasures is such a commonplace thing that one is pressed to disregard the exhibition and oft times embarrassed by the openness in which it is offered.

Young girls discover they can get a better grade, a choice role, on the first team or just a photo in the paper, by offering sex beginning with just a provocative smile proceeding all the way to delivering sexual contact.

So, let's skip on by the typical feminist male bashing of sexual predators to the real root cause of underage sex, those lovely little gals who know exactly what they are doing and why.

All girl or Catholic schools don't answer it either as they simply turn to each other within the confines of the possibilities offered. I suggest an understanding is required of the basic nature of human sexuality and even then, controlling it becomes problematic.

Perhaps the very premise of mass education in a confined location should be questioned?

Just a curious Amicus....who loves the ladies.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

I investigated sex crimes for several years. Plenty of kids make bogus claims of abuse. I knew a few who had no problems with it so long as there was a payoff...like getting a new Mustang to drive around. Others were babysitting and getting some real money on the side from the dad. And the women are as bad as the men about exploiting teen lust and motives.

 

[Huckleman2000]

[snip]
Just a curious Amicus....who loves the ladies.

I think we'd have some agreement in the area of so-called 'Romeo and Juliet' laws, but the article included instances of child molestation in elementary schools as well as post-pubescents.

As for the middle-school contraceptives, I think they have the eighth-graders more in mind than the sixth-graders.

 

[jomar]

As for the middle-school contraceptives, I think they have the eighth-graders more in mind than the sixth-graders.

The article I read basically said it was for older students (who had been held back a time or three) and that there is a pretty rigorous screening process. They're not just handing them out in the hallway - though, the 'expert' did note that a savvy student could manipulate the system.

 

[amicus]

The article I read basically said it was for older students (who had been held back a time or three) and that there is a pretty rigorous screening process. They're not just handing them out in the hallway - though, the 'expert' did note that a savvy student could manipulate the system.

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This has been in the news for several days and I think rather a larger thing than you are taking it for.

From the articles I read and heard, girls as young as eleven year are being issued birth control pills by school nurses and the law does not enforce parental consent or information. Only general permission to utilize the school nurse is required, the actual drugs or devices issued are done so without informing the parent/s.

All the usual arguments are in play by all the usual suspects on both sides.

Amicus...

 

[jomar]

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This has been in the news for several days and I think rather a larger thing than you are taking it for.

From the articles I read and heard, girls as young as eleven year are being issued birth control pills by school nurses and the law does not enforce parental consent or information. Only general permission to utilize the school nurse is required, the actual drugs or devices issued are done so without informing the parent/s.

All the usual arguments are in play by all the usual suspects on both sides.

Amicus...

The article I read focused on the most recent district to provide birth control - I should have been more specific. If they're issuing them to eleven year olds the issue should be vigorously discussed and scrutinized.

 

[Huckleman2000]

[snip]
All the usual arguments are in play by all the usual suspects on both sides.

Amicus...

Yes, I happened to hear Sean Hannity on the radio last night haranging a caller "...well, where do you draw the line!? Would you give birth control pills to an eight-year-old?!"
Thank goodness the caller had the presence of mind to point out to Hannity that oral contraceptives work by regulating the female's menstrual period.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Well we've wandered off the track (like in a Special Olympics race).

Is the sexual activity between teachers/students gonna bankrupt school districts?

 

[BlackShanglan]

So, let's skip on by the typical feminist male bashing of sexual predators to the real root cause of underage sex, those lovely little gals who know exactly what they are doing and why.

Directly from the article:

As an 8-year-old elementary-school student, Bramow told how Lindsey forced her hand on what she called his "pee-pee."

"How did you know it was his pee-pee?" an interviewer at St. Luke's Child Protection Center in Cedar Rapids asked Jennah in a videotape, taken in 1995.

"'Cause I felt something?" said Jennah, then a fidgety girl with long, dark hair.

"How did it feel?" the investigator asked.

"Bumpy," Jennah replied. She drew a picture that showed how Lindsey made her touch him on the zipper area of his pants.

It's a revolting spectacle to see you projecting your own sexual desires and stereotypes of women onto eight year old children. It's worth noting as well that that's the stock answer every pedophile gives - that the victim knew very well what she was doing and was as eager as the offender. This proves chiefly that Freud was correct in identifying projection as one of the crucial fundamental mechanisms for avoiding responsibility for our own natures.

 

[Huckleman2000]

Well we've wandered off the track (like in a Special Olympics race).

Is the sexual activity between teachers/students gonna bankrupt school districts?

And I reiterate: Is that really the point?
Is the extent of the societal wrongness you find in this article limited to what effect the acts have on your pocketbook?
I grieve for your children.

 

[amicus]

[QUOTE=BlackShanglan]Directly from the article:



It's a revolting spectacle to see you projecting your own sexual desires and stereotypes of women onto eight year old children. It's worth noting as well that that's the stock answer every pedophile gives - that the victim knew very well what she was doing and was as eager as the offender. This proves chiefly that Freud was correct in identifying projection as one of the crucial fundamental mechanisms for avoiding responsibility for our own natures.[/QUOTE]

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That is a low blow Shanglan and beneath you to make a personal attack. I remind you it is a news item concerning middle school children that I was referring to.

I occasionally use a personal experience to give life to a thought and as is typical of the limp left they use it as a means to personally attack someone and not the issue, idea or subject under discussion.

I am disappointed in you.

As an objective, detached reporter, I simply reported what I witnessed and surmised. If you wish to debate the essence of my comments fell free to do so but please refrain from your personal attacks. I have lost a great deal of respect for you.

Amicus...

 

[BlackShanglan]

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That is a low blow Shanglan and beneath you to make a personal attack. I remind you it is a news item concerning middle school children that I was referring to.

I occasionally use a personal experience to give life to a thought and as is typical of the limp left they use it as a means to personally attack someone and not the issue, idea or subject under discussion.

I am disappointed in you.

As an objective, detached reporter, I simply reported what I witnessed and surmised. If you wish to debate the essence of my comments fell free to do so but please refrain from your personal attacks. I have lost a great deal of respect for you.

Amicus...

You chose to make this personal, not me. You cited your own experiences as the foundation of your belief that "the real problem" was the children and not the adults. If you don't wish your personal statements about "young nubile, sexually explosive young people" and "lovely little gals who know exactly what they are doing and why" to be brought up and opposed, don't make them part of your argument. They're the only thing you've offered to explain why you think that children should be viewed the root of the problem and mature adults excused their actions.

Middle school children are typically in the age range of eleven to thirteen. I find the suggestion that they're to blame for teachers who prey on them equally repulsive. The question in any issue of sex between a juvenile and an adult in a position of authority is not whether it's possible that some juveniles could desire such activity, but whether they are capable of informed consent. My dog will gladly drink antifreeze, or would before they started adding bittering agents, but that's only because she lacks the understanding to know what she's getting herself into. Adults have that understanding; middle school children do not.

 

[amicus]

JBJ, my apologies if necessary. Not intended as a thread jack, but there is an issue here that I will not permit to remain as is and, it is on topic, although not in the direction you wish perhaps.

For a poster who has not the courage to even state and defend his own gender, expressed a deep and irrational faith that cannot be defended, to become openly hostile to observations that do not mesh with his belier's, indicates another layer of irrationality that expresses itself ad hominen.

I object to that.

There is a world wide and time immemorial lustful interest in young innocent girls by older men. Child prostitutes permeate every Brothel in the world. I did not make it so, nor do I necessarily condone it, but I do not ignore it nor do I sweep it away with broad generalizations.

JBJ linked to an article, a rather long one, concerning teachers being accused of sexual contact with students under their control. I read the article and noted the emphasis placed on condemning these teachers as sexual predators and I raised a small objection.

As I have documented in other threads, the marriage age of twelve and even younger, was standard practice in many parts of the world, including the United States. That to me, indicates something about sexual practices over time, and again, neither condoning nor criticizing, I merely, as a reporter, report it.

My thesis, that young girls solicit attention, is an observation, not necessarily a personal preference or practice, just an observation.

Perhaps my audacity in stating that observation elicits a guilt response in some who know they have been attracted by an underage female and are shamed by that knowledge...perhaps....?

Need I state the existence of thousands upon thousands of stories and photo's on the internet referencing father/daughter incest and what do you draw from my stating that? It is simply awareness and knowledge of the range and depth and breadth of the issue.

My main thesis in replying to JBJ's thread in the first place was my abhorrence of of mandatory, mass public education. I much prefer a smaller, individual system where the market place and parental selection determines how a child is educated and protected.

I suggest that placing children and teachers in the untenable position of close contact, day after day, year after year, is the heart of the problem, a problem that cannot be dealt with, without changing the environment.

Again, JBJ, apologies extended if required, but I am mostly likely done with this thread.

Regards...


Amicus...

 

[Lisa Denton]

So, let's skip on by the typical feminist male bashing of sexual predators to the real root cause of underage sex, those lovely little gals who know exactly what they are doing and why.

I know quite a few typical males who would bash in your head for that remark.

As JBJ explains the financial woes these victims of child rape bring upon society and you explain how the lil sluts got what they deserved I am glad there are laws against the disgusting and sick fucks like you two who act out their desires.