Was J.R.R. TOLKIEN'S editor on drugs?

[PROUD MOUSE]

When he (she?) let the whole Book VI of Lord of the Rings get into print?
OK, you've got a medieval sword and sorcery novel going with lots of grandiose elves speaking noble phrases and heroes who are so fucking pure and perfect.
THEN for no reason he jumps into 'the Shire' and an obviously mid 20th Century little take on communism or socialism complete with factories, titles like 'the Boss' or the 'Chief.' Utterly ludicrous. It's as if they let him stick in a pseudo-Orwellian bit using his little hobbit creatures to heavy-handedly teach the British about the badness of other political systems.
In about 10 pages the bad big people are routed by the true-hearted little people and then elf magic makes everything nice again. That plot device I'd expect of a TV script-writer but not within a 'saga' which builds to 'a towering climax.'
Was he old and senile when he wrote the ending? Or just becoming a celebrity so they let it slip in?

 

[Starfish]

What kind a drugs? Pot?

Nothin wrong with that!


Fuck the big people.






Our fat asses need to be fucked. R U ppl slow?

 

[Fly_On_Wall]

Mouse.
first off I don't think he had an editor.

and second it took 14 years for him to write LOTR, it was a story for his children, so over those 14 years the kids grew up

so the begining is child like and gets more adult as the chapters go on.

if you don't like it fine, but you don't have to insult it.

 

[Harbinger]

I'm with you, Starfish. Fuckin' Biggers. Trying to get all our pipeweed.

 

[PROUD MOUSE]

What kind a drugs? Pot?

Nothin wrong with that!
Fuck the big people.
Our fat asses need to be fucked. R U ppl slow?

But do you want them fucked with little Hobbit cocks or big evil person cocks?

And while we're fucking Tolkien, don't you wonder if it's really not a homo-erotic saga where none of the FEMALE big people get their asses fucked? Just the men? All of the male heroes seem to have no use for women, and quite prefer the 'male-bonding' time that war presents them with.

And Sam and Frodo were always holding hands and falling asleep arm in arm. Do you think the editor at least cut out the parts where Sam was nailing Frodo on the whole trip through Mordor? That's probably half the reason the little guy was so tired all the time! He never got any sleep.

It's even tough for Sam to decide whether to finally live with a woman or with Frodo. And Aragorn gets a little love story pitched into the Appendix as an afterthought. What's up with that? Were the Rangers really some greek love club that he remained in after he finally had to take his elf-queen. And elves are strange, so maybe Arwen gets off on bi-men.

Be glad you live in the fantasy world of Lit Starfish, cause we'll fuck with your sweet ass.

 

[PROUD MOUSE]

Mouse.
first off I don't think he had an editor.

and second it took 14 years for him to write LOTR, it was a story for his children, so over those 14 years the kids grew up

so the begining is child like and gets more adult as the chapters go on.

if you don't like it fine, but you don't have to insult it.

I didn't mean to insult it. (Well, maybe tweek it a bit) Even Homer nods. But don't you think it doesn't fit together? And they did print the book to be sold, so it changes the stakes when you write for the world. Did you think the little 'Animal Farm' dream sequence in the Shire worked?

 

[Starfish]

I'm with you, Starfish. Fuckin' Biggers. Trying to get all our pipeweed.

Haaa aaaaaa. LOL!

 

[PROUD MOUSE]

And all of the women are these ideal 'too pure' characters. All the gay men I know admit to idealizing women. It's why women love their company!

I'll take Starfish over Tolkien's women any day! Real women rock!

 

[Starfish]

But do you want them fucked with little Hobbit cocks or big evil person cocks?

And while we're fucking Tolkien, don't you wonder if it's really not a homo-erotic saga where none of the FEMALE big people get their asses fucked? Just the men? All of the male heroes seem to have no use for women, and quite prefer the 'male-bonding' time that war presents them with.

And Sam and Frodo were always holding hands and falling asleep arm in arm. Do you think the editor at least cut out the parts where Sam was nailing Frodo on the whole trip through Mordor? That's probably half the reason the little guy was so tired all the time! He never got any sleep.

It's even tough for Sam to decide whether to finally live with a woman or with Frodo. And Aragorn gets a little love story pitched into the Appendix as an afterthought. What's up with that? Were the Rangers really some greek love club that he remained in after he finally had to take his elf-queen. And elves are strange, so maybe Arwen gets off on bi-men.

Be glad you live in the fantasy world of Lit Starfish, cause we'll fuck with your sweet ass.

After you said the bit of the homo erotic analysis, you forgot to say..

"Not that there is anything wrong with that."

 

[PROUD MOUSE]

After you said the bit of the homo erotic analysis, you forgot to say..

"Not that there is anything wrong with that."

Yeah. Yeah. But let's be honest about it! I want to see an expose of LOTR and it's hidden homo-erotic agenda! Time to bring JRR out of the closet!

"We're QUEER and WE'RE HERE!"
"Remember recruit the children first!" - Queer Nation speaker playfully instructing participants, echoing charges made by the Christian Fundamentalist opponents to a California GLBT 'Teach-In' at a shopping mall.

 

[Pan718]

I think...

JazzManJim and some others here know the Rings books in some depth... Perhaps you could ask those folks...?

You spawn of Sauron!

 

[PROUD MOUSE]

Re: I think...

JazzManJim and some others here know the Rings books in some depth... Perhaps you could ask those folks...?

You spawn of Sauron!

Pan...? Can you not... fucking finish a thought...? What... is... with... the... annoying... use... of... dots...?

Send the Orcs out after him!

 

[Starfish]

Balrog for hire.

 

[CarolineOh]

But do you want them fucked with little Hobbit cocks or big evil person cocks?

And while we're fucking Tolkien, don't you wonder if it's really not a homo-erotic saga where none of the FEMALE big people get their asses fucked? Just the men? All of the male heroes seem to have no use for women, and quite prefer the 'male-bonding' time that war presents them with.

And Sam and Frodo were always holding hands and falling asleep arm in arm. Do you think the editor at least cut out the parts where Sam was nailing Frodo on the whole trip through Mordor? That's probably half the reason the little guy was so tired all the time! He never got any sleep.

It's even tough for Sam to decide whether to finally live with a woman or with Frodo. And Aragorn gets a little love story pitched into the Appendix as an afterthought. What's up with that? Were the Rangers really some greek love club that he remained in after he finally had to take his elf-queen. And elves are strange, so maybe Arwen gets off on bi-men.

Be glad you live in the fantasy world of Lit Starfish, cause we'll fuck with your sweet ass.

Wow. You make it sound really hot. I ought to reread it.
(Imaging Viggo Mortensen and Sean Bean getting it on mmmmmmmm)

 

[phrodeau]

When he (she?) let the whole Book VI of Lord of the Rings get into print?
OK, you've got a medieval sword and sorcery novel going with lots of grandiose elves speaking noble phrases and heroes who are so fucking pure and perfect.
THEN for no reason he jumps into 'the Shire' and an obviously mid 20th Century little take on communism or socialism complete with factories, titles like 'the Boss' or the 'Chief.' Utterly ludicrous. It's as if they let him stick in a pseudo-Orwellian bit using his little hobbit creatures to heavy-handedly teach the British about the badness of other political systems.
In about 10 pages the bad big people are routed by the true-hearted little people and then elf magic makes everything nice again. That plot device I'd expect of a TV script-writer but not within a 'saga' which builds to 'a towering climax.'
Was he old and senile when he wrote the ending? Or just becoming a celebrity so they let it slip in?

He was 52 as he wrote the final chapters of Book IV, and hardly a celebrity at that age. He was always outspoken about his disdain for allegory, and in his writings he counters the erroneous assumption by his critics that the Scouring of the Shire episode was in any way similar to post-WWII Britain's socialist policies.

To me it reads true to life, with lots of messy loose ends that don't all get sorted out properly. "And they lived happily ever after" is the real hack's copout.

And for the gay boys, Wormtongue must be a favorite for his name alone, and Smeagol too, for always saying "Precious."

 

[scylis]

i thought all the good little gay boys liked Legolas once the new movie came out.

 

[nasty]

And all of the women are these ideal 'too pure' characters. All the gay men I know admit to idealizing women. It's why women love their company!

I'll take Starfish over Tolkien any day! Real women rock!

I 2nd that. Dead people are just too stiff for me.

 

[nasty]

Damn. I meant for that whole 1st paragragh to be deleted.