Was Hitler A Socialist? Of Course, He Was

[Bigtitsbitch1000x]

Respectfully disagree.
The machinations of political minorities to subvert the law and institute "minority rule' in 1930 Germany and 2020 America are eerily similar.

Also the Republican party in 1930 America made strides towards their own fascist takeover America but were stopped by one right-wing USMC General, Smedley Butler.

Butler may have been the last of his kind: A Republican who put Country before Party.

1. Learn to write English.

2. You are not respectful of anybody. You are a phony typical of internet flame warriors.

3. So Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney aren't putting country before party?

4. Poor Smedley Butler. Destined to become a condom for leftwats.

5. The future of global bourgeois democracy hangs on the fate of its American progenitor.

This is too important for anybody to pay attention to your drooling.

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[Deleted member 6873114]

He was a fascist dictator and not at all a socialist.

Hope this helps


Using the word socialist does not make you a socialist.

I fully agree. Using the word "socialist" would not make a person a socialist. However, if a person says they are a socialist, I don't see a need to doubt them. In the case of Hitler, what did he say? The "Nazi" party was not the official name of his political party. The official name was NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMAN WORKERS PARTY. Very evil political theory. Every political theory that has been tried has been flawed. But socialism brings death and hunger and poverty and war everywhere it pops up pretending to be a savor. Great OP.

Glad I was able to clear up the confusion. I am here to help.

 

[ll74]

I fully agree. Using the word "socialist" would not make a person a socialist. However, if a person says they are a socialist, I don't see a need to doubt them. In the case of Hitler, what did he say? The "Nazi" party was not the official name of his political party. The official name was NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMAN WORKERS PARTY. Very evil political theory. Every political theory that has been tried has been flawed. But socialism brings death and hunger and poverty and war everywhere it pops up pretending to be a savor. Great OP.

Glad I was able to clear up the confusion. I am here to help.

Yes, putting the word into things makes you that word.

I'm a member of the sexy millionaires club.

Observe

 

[Rightguide]

I fully agree. Using the word "socialist" would not make a person a socialist. However, if a person says they are a socialist, I don't see a need to doubt them. In the case of Hitler, what did he say? The "Nazi" party was not the official name of his political party. The official name was NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMAN WORKERS PARTY. Very evil political theory. Every political theory that has been tried has been flawed. But socialism brings death and hunger and poverty and war everywhere it pops up pretending to be a savor. Great OP.

Glad I was able to clear up the confusion. I am here to help.

I showed that clown Hitler's own words about being a socialist and Mussolini's socialist associations but his thought process is welded to the brainwash that broke him to the intellectual goose step at a young age.

 

[UltraChad]

I love how all the progressives and "Totally moderate left" that are always defending progressivism is to knee jerk deny Hitler was a socialist....only Marxism, THEIR brand of socialism is the one TRUE socialism!!!

IGNORE the actual definition of the word!!! LOL

 

[stxjimmy]

I showed that clown Hitler's own words about being a socialist and Mussolini's socialist associations but his thought process is welded to the brainwash that broke him to the intellectual goose step at a young age.

Assuming hitler was a socialist as you claim, what do you think of the maga supporters flying swastikas alongside their trump and confederate flags?
That’s some confused messaging, perhaps you should educate them on the mental gymnastics they display.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Hitler started out as a socialist.
Ronald Reagan spent half his life as a Democrat.
Donald Trump spent almost 2/3 of his life calling himself a Democrat.

 

[UltraChad]

Assuming hitler was a socialist as you claim, what do you think of the maga supporters flying swastikas alongside their trump and confederate flags?

When you get ALL your information from Cynch Yogurt and the View.

 

[UltraChad]

Hitler started out as a socialist.

He ended one too.

 

[Politruk]

National Socialism:

"While one might assume that the Nazis are socialist based on their name alone, there's a huge piece that prevents this from being so; Nazi ideology includes the existence of "slave-races" who would perform all the menial tasks a society would need, while the "superior" Germans would have generous social welfare and careers for themselves only. While social welfare is indeed a key aspect of Social Democracy and it's indeed possible to have a stratified society in most versions of socialism, the core concept is that everyone has some "ownership" over their place of employment, whether that's via the workers owning the business directly or everyone getting a share of the profits via taxes and wealth redistribution. Nazism lacks even this most rudimentary requirement. In theory, Nazi ideology would have all the slave-races exterminated eventually with only the Germans remaining, at which point one could argue that the Germans would live in some bizarre form of Social (non)-Democracy and thus be some bizarre/vile form of socialism... until they just declared that the grey-eyed and/or strawberry-blonde Germans to be insufficiently German and they are back to slavery again.

"If someone claims that the Nazis were really socialists, chances are that they are actually a Nazi themselves."

 

[Bray123]

Hitler called himself a National Socialist, which is a variation of Nationalist.

What people call themselves has little relevance obviously. Trump can call himself a Republican, Kenneth Copeland and Robert Morris can call themselves Christians. Doesn't mean it's true.

The East German puppet state through the Cold War called itself the 'German Democratic Republic' but it was neither German, democratic nor a republic.

 

[Politruk]

Under Hitler a capitalist had nothing to fear unless he was a Jew. He came to power with the help of the business interests. In the early years of struggle they paid his rent. They figured Hitler would put down the Communists and Social Democrats, which he did.

 

[UltraChad]

Hitler called himself a National Socialist, which is a variation of Nationalist.

It's also a variation of socialist.

 

[UltraChad]

National Socialism:

"While one might assume that the Nazis are socialist based on their name alone, there's a huge piece that prevents this from being so; Nazi ideology includes the existence of "slave-races" who would perform all the menial tasks a society would need, while the "superior" Germans would have generous social welfare and careers for themselves only.

That doesn't make them not socialist.

Makes them not Marxist....which doesn't define socialism.

 

[UltraChad]

Under Hitler a capitalist had nothing to fear

Of course they did....the loss of their ownership of their own means of production.

All that belonged to the German nation at that point. Making them socialist.

 

[Politruk]

That doesn't make them not socialist.

Makes them not Marxist....which doesn't define socialism.

"Race socialism" is by definition not socialism. Socialism is egalitarian. It precludes division of society into master and slave races.

George Orwell got it right, in "The Lion and the Unicorn: Socialism and the English Genius" (1941):

"Fascism, at any rate the German version, is a form of capitalism that borrows from Socialism just such features as will make it efficient for war purposes. Internally, Germany has a good deal in common with a Socialist state. Ownership has never been abolished, there are still capitalists and workers, and – this is the important point, and the real reason why rich men all over the world tend to sympathize with Fascism – generally speaking the same people are capitalists and the same people workers as before the Nazi revolution. But at the same time the State, which is simply the Nazi Party, is in control of everything. It controls investment, raw materials, rates of interest, working hours, wages. The factory owner still owns his factory, but he is for practical purposes reduced to the status of a manager. Everyone is in effect a State employee, though the salaries vary very greatly. The mere efficiency of such a system, the elimination of waste and obstruction, is obvious. In seven years it has built up the most powerful war machine the world has ever seen.

"But the idea underlying Fascism is irreconcilably different from that which underlies Socialism. Socialism aims, ultimately, at a world-state of free and equal human beings. It takes the equality of human rights for granted. Nazism assumes just the opposite. The driving force behind the Nazi movement is the belief in human inequality, the superiority of Germans to all other races, the right of Germany to rule the world. Outside the German Reich it does not recognize any obligations. Eminent Nazi professors have ‘proved’ over and over again that only nordic man is fully human, have even mooted the idea that non-nordic peoples (such as ourselves) can interbreed with gorillas! Therefore, while a species of war-Socialism exists within the German state, its attitude towards conquered nations is frankly that of an exploiter. The function of the Czechs, Poles, French, etc. is simply to produce such goods as Germany may need, and get in return just as little as will keep them from open rebellion. If we are conquered, our job will probably be to manufacture weapons for Hitler's forthcoming wars with Russia and America. The Nazis aim, in effect, at setting up a kind of caste system, with four main castes corresponding rather closely to those of the Hindu religion. At the top comes the Nazi party, second come the mass of the German people, third come the conquered European populations. Fourth and last are to come the coloured peoples, the ‘semi-apes’ as Hitler calls them, who are to be reduced quite openly to slavery.

"However horrible this system may seem to us, it works. It works because it is a planned system geared to a definite purpose, world-conquest, and not allowing any private interest, either of capitalist or worker, to stand in its way. British capitalism does not work, because it is a competitive system in which private profit is and must be the main objective. It is a system in which all the forces are pulling in opposite directions and the interests of the individual are as often as not totally opposed to those of the State."

 

[Bigtitsbitch1000x]

I showed that clown Hitler's own words about being a socialist and Mussolini's socialist associations but his thought process is welded to the brainwash that broke him to the intellectual goose step at a young age.

This is not how to handle this matter. This is stale word salad.

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[Rightguide]

This is not how to handle this matter. This is stale word salad.

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Pour a little of this on that salad: https://stoppingsocialism.com/2020/07/hitler-was-a-socialist-who-learned-from-karl-marx/

 

[Politruk]

Pour a little of this on that salad: https://stoppingsocialism.com/2020/07/hitler-was-a-socialist-who-learned-from-karl-marx/

You'll find better, more honest cites than that in posts #262 and 268.

 

[UltraChad]

"Race socialism" is by definition not socialism.

Of course it is, because they collectivize the means of production under one race.

Socialism is egalitarian.

Right, and and the Nazi perspective if that the only way a society to be truly egalitarian is for everyone to be the same race.

It precludes division of society into master and slave races.

No it doesn't. LOL It just requires collective ownership of the means of production. The ideological theories and justifications behind that might change what kind or type of socialism you're talking about but they don't make it not socialism. The Nazis were not Marxist clearly, but they were socialist.

 

[Bigtitsbitch1000x]

Well now, kiddies.

This you?

Here we are again with a bunch of illiterates on a porno site offering opinions based on nothing.

Should i be reluctant to comment? Of course not. I'm bitchen today -- black velvet hotpants, black fishnet body suit, black velvet top pushing my fab hooters up like torpedos. White hooker boots. Cocksucker Red lipstick. Oaktown face paint. Straight razor handy.

But let's get serious in a setting where seriousness is as rare as Antarctic burritos.

1. I am the coauthor of a volume assigned in every poli sci class in the English-speaking world.

Spanish Marxism versus Soviet Communism: A History of the P.O.U.M. in the Spanish Civil War https://a.co/d/5nrYwLh

The book is a revision in English of a primary source:

El marxisme a catalunya 1919-1939 https://amzn.eu/d/dlN1Row

It is one of four indispensable and trustworthy primary sources produced by leading participants in the left in the Spanish civil war.

It is one of only two such books revised in English.

These are also primary sources:

Homage to Catalonia: With the Introductory Essay 'Why I Write' https://amzn.eu/d/43kuBIt

The Spanish Civil War: Revolution and Counterrevolution (English Edition) https://amzn.eu/d/7Mu0GXf

The Spanish Civil War defines the 20th c conflict between fascism and socialism. If you suppose otherwise, you are stupid. Very stupid.

Note this, chuds: any serious discussion of history and politics begins with primary sources.

2. There are three primary source works on the rise of fascism in Germany that every student must know:

Trotsky:
The Struggle against Fascism in Germany (Merit S) https://a.co/d/fhEOkwQ

Reich:
The Mass Psychology of Fascism https://a.co/d/gvwepl7

Der Fuehrer: Hitler's Rise to Power. by Konrad Heiden (June 19,1969) https://a.co/d/8iSsJXp

Heiden coined the term "Nazi."

3. Socialism is an extremely varied phenomenon.

A split between social democracy and nationalist socialism emerged in Eastern Europe at the beginning of the 20th c.

This was mainly visible in Poland and in Czechia, then under the Habsburgs.

This split was different from those between radical and reformists.

The most important example of nationalist socialism before WW1 was this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_National_Social_Party

Hitler observed the activities of this party in the Habsburg parliament.

The concept of "national socialism" emerged in Germany after WW1 when there was little room for a mass nationalist phenomenon in the face of imperial defeat.

This concept was intended to lure the German working class away from the left.

Hitler was never a socialist but Nazism and Stalinism were, as Trotsky put ot, "not identical but symmetrical."

This point was argued here:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/ruhle/1939/ruhle01.htm

Mussolini had very definitely been a prominent radical socialist. His march to the right began when he broke with Italian Socialism, to support intervention in WW1.

Mussolini's career as a socialist begins with this person:

Balabanova:
My Life As a Rebel https://a.co/d/eOfNVAJ

The Spanish dictatorship of Franco defined itself as "national syndicalist" -- another way of seeking to recruit workers.

What else is old? Ayn Rand correctly defined American libertarians as "rightwing hippies."

Fascism is a nationalist variant of socialism.

Regardless of policy, their aims are the same: creation of a united people.

Every historian accepts this. Only hopeless incels could argue otherwise.

4. DJT is an incompetent neofascist.

He outdoes H, M, & F in only one sphere: they never won over the working class. He did.

This happened because the Leprosi Mafia believes my transpussy is more important to me than my union card.

That is, they think identity trumps class.

They're wrong. Without my union standing i would be just another bedraggled tranny in the Tenderloin ghetto.

Everything i do in my life reflects my white privilege. But above all my desire to live as i wish is made possible because i worked in solid, typically dangerous union jobs, and have good SSA benefits and a pension.

(Adolf, BTW, never touched the German Social Security System, created by his "favorite Jew":
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Lassalle
He was smarter than the MAGAts.)

H, M, & F had two sources of support DJT lacks: the military and the judiciary.

DJT's neofascism is ramshackle. It couldn't even shut down @ntifa.

Wisdom of BTB: It's better to have big boobs rather than to write big books, but wisecracks by online incels affect neither.

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[JohnEngelman]

The Nazi movement had aspects of socialism, but Joseph Gobbels assured German landlords and businessmen that the Nazis did not intent to confiscate their wealth. Nazis did not fight in the street against conservatives, but against Communists.

 

[Politruk]

Of course it is, because they collectivize the means of production under one race.



Right, and and the Nazi perspective if that the only way a society to be truly egalitarian is for everyone to be the same race.



No it doesn't. LOL It just requires collective ownership of the means of production. The ideological theories and justifications behind that might change what kind or type of socialism you're talking about but they don't make it not socialism. The Nazis were not Marxist clearly, but they were socialist.

Orwell understood it all better than you.

 

[EdgySubMic]

National Socialism:

"While one might assume that the Nazis are socialist based on their name alone, there's a huge piece that prevents this from being so; Nazi ideology includes the existence of "slave-races" ....

Hitler himself said and wrote repeatedly he was a socialist. The only thing to understand here, is that his socialism was based on nation (and thus by his extension on race), while the Marxists and those on the left that "we" now commonly call "socialists" based their socialism on class. Economically speaking, both systems are extremely similar: towards the so-called working classes, Hitler introduced social benefits that we (and especially US people) would call "socialism"; towards private enterprises he introduced policies that de facto nationalized control, even if ownership wasn't fully so – contrary to what happened in Russia. The economy of Nazi Germany was largely based on the same central planning principles that governed that of communist Russia. It had to be for him to be able to prepare for a full-scale war by 1940 (his original target having been around 1945), a war that he needed in order to be able to eliminate the so called "inferior races" in all of Europe.

Speaking as a European: Those on the left need to open their eyes, instead of blindly redefining terminology because Hitler was bad guy who in part based his ideology on the same roots as leftist socialists and communists did (roots that evolved over 2000 years before branching into these two specific versions (amongst others)). Those on the right need to open their eyes, instead of blindly declaring that anything that is more to the left of whatever they themselves think is deadly or ungodly socialism. And those who wave both MAGA and swastika flags urgently need to get an education and a new moral compass.

 

[ll74]

Hitler himself said and wrote repeatedly he was a socialist. The only thing to understand here, is that his socialism was based on nation (and thus by his extension on race), while the Marxists and those on the left that "we" now commonly call "socialists" based their socialism on class. Economically speaking, both systems are extremely similar: towards the so-called working classes, Hitler introduced social benefits that we (and especially US people) would call "socialism"; towards private enterprises he introduced policies that de facto nationalized control, even if ownership wasn't fully so – contrary to what happened in Russia. The economy of Nazi Germany was largely based on the same central planning principles that governed that of communist Russia. It had to be for him to be able to prepare for a full-scale war by 1940 (his original target having been around 1945), a war that he needed in order to be able to eliminate the so called "inferior races" in all of Europe.

Speaking as European: Those on the left need to open their eyes, instead of blindly redefining terminology because Hitler was bad guy who in part based his ideology on the same roots as leftist socialist and communists did (roots that evolved over 2000 years before branching into these two specific versions (amongst others)). Those on the right need to open their eyes, instead of blindly declaring that anything that is more to the left of whatever they themselves think is deadly or ungodly socialism. And those who wave both MAGA and swastika flags urgently need to get education and a new moral compass.

Both would do well in understanding that authoritarianism and fascism don't need an ideological compass. People who abuse and consolidate power come from all sides of the spectrum.