War Repression

REDWAVE

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The massive repression in D.C. and the simultaneous lockout of the West Coast longshoremen, with the full support of the Bush regime, just before the election, represents a major stepping up of domestic repression, which inevitably accompanies war. Even while Bush goes through the motions of consulting Congress and
the U.N., war preparations go on feverishly, with a ground attack planned for January or February. Given the drive toward an outright fascist police state, only revolutionary leadership, unafraid to unleash the social power of the working class, can fight and win. The reformist misleaders will only lead the toiling and oppressed masses to certain defeat.


The massive police assault upon peaceful protesters in Washington, D.C., on Friday, September 27, 2002 represented a major intensification of repression by the increasingly desperate Bush regime. The current crisis of global recession, revelations of massive corporate fraud, and the collapse of financial markets worldwide, combined with growing opposition to Bush's program both here and abroad, leave the Bush regime with little alternative but to press ahead with police state measures. War inevitably brings with it domestic repression, and the war with Iraq has already begun with an intensified bombing campaign. Indeed, it never really ended in 1991, just was muted to low intensity warfare. While Bush goes through the motions of "consulting" Congress and the U.N., the military buildup in the Middle East and war preparations go on apace. The best time to begin the ground attack is January or February, which means a major intensification of the bombing campaign by December. The urgency of this time table explains the major increase in repression now, just before an election. Besides the clampdown in D.C., the Pacific Maritime Association (PMA) has locked out all the West Coast longshoremen, with the full support of the Bush regime, which has threatened to bring in troops as strikebreakers. So far, the reformist misleadership of the ILWU (International Longshore Workers Union) has failed to fight back at all, and is clearly preparing a betrayal of their rank and file. Revolutionary leadership is desperately needed. The passage of the "Patriot" Act, the open revival of COINTELPRO, and the ruling class' control of the corporate media mean the deck is stacked against anyone who attempts to fight the ruling class on its terms. Only revolutionary leadership, unafraid to unleash the social power of the working class, and the toiling and oppressed masses worldwide, can halt the drive to perpetual war and a fascist police state.
 
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There's an old saying: Action speaks louder than words

And that is the biggest problem nowadays. Everyone always talks about changing things and that's pretty much what everyone does - talks.

I don't care what the person's cause is, if you're going to spout off all the time at least try to back it up once in a while.
 
It really doesn't matter.....

Galaxy Song

"Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.
Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe
The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth!"

Now doesn't that make it all better? :D
 
See Redrum!!

Not getting any, huh? You really need something to occupy your time, cause your thinking to much again...:p
 
REDWAVE said:
The massive repression in D.C. and the simultaneous lockout of the West Coast longshoremen, with the full support of the Bush regime, just before the election, represents a major stepping up of domestic repression, which inevitably accompanies war. Even while Bush goes through the motions of consulting Congress and
the U.N., war preparations go on feverishly, with a ground attack planned for January or February. Given the drive toward an outright fascist police state, only revolutionary leadership, unafraid to unleash the social power of the working class, can fight and win. The reformist misleaders will only lead the toiling and oppressed masses to certain defeat.


The massive police assault upon peaceful protesters in Washington, D.C., on Friday, September 27, 2002 represented a major intensification of repression by the increasingly desperate Bush regime. The current crisis of global recession, revelations of massive corporate fraud, and the collapse of financial markets worldwide, combined with growing opposition to Bush's program both here and abroad, leave the Bush regime with little alternative but to press ahead with police state measures. War inevitably brings with it domestic repression, and the war with Iraq has already begun with an intensified bombing campaign. Indeed, it never really ended in 1991, just was muted to low intensity warfare. While Bush goes through the motions of "consulting" Congress and the U.N., the military buildup in the Middle East and war preparations go on apace. The best time to begin the ground attack is January or February, which means a major intensification of the bombing campaign by December. The urgency of this time table explains the major increase in repression now, just before an election. Besides the clampdown in D.C., the Pacific Maritime Association (PMA) has locked out all the West Coast longshoremen, with the full support of the Bush regime, which has threatened to bring in troops as strikebreakers. So far, the reformist misleadership of the ILWU (International Longshore Workers Union) has failed to fight back at all, and is clearly preparing a betrayal of their rank and file. Revolutionary leadership is desperately needed. The passage of the "Patriot" Act, the open revival of COINTELPRO, and the ruling class' control of the corporate media mean the deck is stacked against anyone who attempts to fight the ruling class on its terms. Only revolutionary leadership, unafraid to unleash the social power of the working class, and the toiling and oppressed masses worldwide, can halt the drive to perpetual war and a fascist police state.

But Redwave . . . you forgot the part about shooting students . . . like they did at Kent State . . . just shot 'em as they went aboiut their classes . . . great place this US of A . . . and what about the leaders??? . . . you forgot about shooting the leaders . . . JFK . . . RFK . . . Martin Luther King . . . Malcolm X . . . none of these assassinations were ever properly investigated . . . shows what happens when the security forces get out of control . . .

But we have to protect the means of production, our factories . . . by shooting workers during the Ford strike of the 30s . . . by fear and intimidation during the McCarthy Days and again under LBJ, Nixon, Ford . . . Land of the Free, you're not for me . . .

But Redwave . . . surely it's OK for a foreign corporation to "buy" the President of the USA for a $US1 million donation to his re-election fund . . . IT&T got a great bargain . . . after all, that is a common policy for the CIA . . . IT&T contributed $US6 million to the CIA overthrow of the democratically elected Allende government to set up Pinochet . . . and then sold the Chilean telephone company to former Oz entrepreneur Alan Bond for $US28 million(?) . . . not a bad little earner . . .

But Redwave it's important that the US remain the (oil burning) beacon for democracy . . . free speech, freedom to associate, freedom to interfere in the policies of other nations . . . and our security forces will only deal with the "bad guys" . . . that was why J Edgar Hoover was so feared . . . his secret police (FBI) collected "dirt" on everybody . . . and squeezed them at will . . . for whatever reason . . . Land of the Free, you're not for me.
 
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Good gawd Don, you're turning me into an isolationist.

I don't want to catch whatever you and RED have...
 
US History by Non-American . . .

SINthysist said:
Good gawd Don, you're turning me into an isolationist.

I don't want to catch whatever you and RED have...

It's called "history", SIN . . . try reading some US "history" sometime . . . preferably as written by somebody who is not an American . . . :)
 
The demonstrations this weekend were relatively peaceful. Only about 10% of the anticipated crowd showed up, so the voices of protest weren't that loud. Some of them were just silly.


A carnival of protest


If Friday's protests against the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and globalization were a discordant rage against the machine, Saturday's were more like a perturbed Rio carnival without rhythm.\

There were Reds and Greens, anarchists in black coats and Greenpeace activists in white uniforms. Shrieking guitars from the band Blowback and drums from the Rhythm Worker's Union. There was a cardboard Trojan horse, a huge pink pig balloon and a gigantic inflated bottle of Coke.

The speakers seemed almost incidental to the affair — just background noise against the dissonance of people telling one another about their pet causes. Every fifth person seemed to be passing out pamphlets
 
Here's one from the Washington Post...

....talking about the protest against water systems privatization by the "anti-globalization" people...refering to a specific example from Cochabamba, Bolivia. The contention was "That the World Bank promotes ill-considered privatization, for example. Or even that a particular privatization in a particular country has worsened poverty."

A Protest Teach-in Spoiled by Facts
By Sebastian Mallaby
Monday, September 30, 2002
Before privatization, the poor had no access to piped water, forcing them to pay exorbitantly for supplies from private tankers; what's more, the tariff structure for piped water was rigged in favor of the rich. Privatization, for the brief period that it lasted, brought a progressive rate structure; given time, the consortium would have fulfilled the clauses in the contract that required the connection of poor citizens. An academic study of Cochabamba's water published in the Bulletin of Latin American Research concluded that the poorest half of the population stood to gain most from privatization -- another subtlety ignored by the protesters.

The study's conclusion is supported by other experiences of privatization -- cases in which the World Bank really did act as handmaiden. In Buenos Aires, privatization increased the share of households with piped water from 70 percent to 83 percent between 1992 and 1997. Water privatization in La Paz, Bolivia's capital, also is succeeding. As well as boosting connection rates, these deals can end the drain on government budgets imposed by the old loss-making utilities. In other words, privatization can free money for the sort of poverty-focused public spending that the anti-globalization people want.

Is privatization always the answer? Of course not, but it's absurd to paint the World Bank as a knee-jerk privatizer. Last year the bank lent some $500 million to water and sanitation projects; around $400 million of that went to public utilities. In Santa Cruz, Bolivia, the water system is run by a consumer cooperative; the bank has lent to it happily. The rhetoric about the World Bank pressing indiscriminately for privatization isn't much of an improvement on naĂŻve Stankoism.

This is a lesson on how to shoot yourself in the foot and then blame someone else for it.
 
Historical context

Hi, Don. Thanks for proving some of the historical background here. Remember the looting of the savings & loans in the 1980's (Neil Bush played a major role in that), the Resolution Trust Corporation (RTC), the collapse of the Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI), the massive bailout of Long Term Capital Management (LTCM), the Asian financial crisis of 1998, the Russian financial crisis, etc.-- we're not supposed to remember all these things.
 
News Today...Money in politics. Here's some that've been proven to be illegal.

The Democrats' scandal

For all the incessant protestations of innocence, it turns out that then-Vice President Al Gore and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) really did conduct a shakedown operation involving impoverished Buddhist monks and nuns at the Hsi Lai Temple in California in April 1996. In return for Mr. Gore's attendance at a temple luncheon, documents recently released by the Federal Election Commission (FEC) reveal, a Democratic vice chairman of finance — presumably the infamous John Huang — instructed Buddhist organizers to cough up $100,000.

Altogether, the FEC levied $719,000 in fines for the seemingly countless fund-raising illegalities that pervaded the Clinton-Gore re-election campaign and the DNC. Indicative of how cavalierly the ostensibly reform-obsessed Democrats treated the FEC investigation, last year they overwhelmingly elected as their current chairman Terry McAuliffe, the fund-raiser-in-chief for the Clinton re-election campaign.

In addition to the $120,000 fine paid by the Buddhist Progress Society, the DNC was fined $115,000 and required to pay to the U.S. Treasury $128,000 to cover illegal donations it had never bothered to return to the donors. Because so many individuals had fled the country and so many sham corporations had become defunct, the FEC reported that it had to drop investigations relating to $3 million in illegal contributions.
 
Re: Re: War Repression

Don K Dyck said:

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Land of the Free, you're not for me.

Sigh

And we were about to completely change just so we could attract more paranoid, anti-government, conspiracy-theorists like yourself :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by REDWAVE (edited)
Given the drive toward an outright fascist police state, only revolutionary leadership, unafraid to unleash the social power of the working class, can fight and win.

Only revolutionary leadership, unafraid to unleash the social power of the working class, and the toiling and oppressed masses worldwide, can halt the drive to perpetual war and a fascist police state.

How does this work, again?

When has this tactic ever been successful?

Sounds like a violent solution. What will motivate pacifists to "fight and win"?
 
I've heard of "sleep-walking," but I think REDWAVE may be the first documented case of "sleep-typing." It's obvious he's in dreamland when he's posting.

I have no idea what donkey dick can claim for an excuse.

I'm drawn to read threads by REDWAVE because I'm amazed that there are people that live in free societies who actually believe the "dribble" REDWAVE and a few others post on these threads.

I appreciate that LTGR and others try to add some amount of sanity to these threads, but I've come to think that trying to reason with REDWAVE/donkey dick is like arguing with a stump. You may walk away feeling a bit of satisfaction, but the stump is still a stump.
 
Texan said:
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I appreciate that LTGR and others try to add some amount of sanity to these threads, but I've come to think that trying to reason with REDWAVE/donkey dick is like arguing with a stump. You may walk away feeling a bit of satisfaction, but the stump is still a stump.

LMAO :D
 
I often try to put flowers and other decorative touches around stumps so they don't look so bad. LOL.
 
LOL :D LAWDY LAWDY DEY AIN'T DE ONLY STUMPS!

I got moss on my belly...

Don may feel impotent to do anything, which drives his rhetoric as his only outlet, but REDWAVE can at least vote. I think RED has a great chance to save the world. He should get off his computer and go door-to-door spreading the gospel of Trotsky and the glories of worker's revolution..
 
Stock market in free fall

The stock market fell 300 points on Friday, and has dropped another 150 points so far today, to about 7,500-- another sign of the meltdown of the system. Now that it's crashed below its previous support point at 8,000, there's no telling how low it might go.

But hey, look on the bright side-- it can't drop below zero!

Meanwhile, wealthy speculators with inside information are making a killing playing the down side, profiting from everyone else's misery. . .
 
The new McCarthyism

Congressman Jim McDermott (Dem.-- Wash.), who recently traveled to Iraq and has been the most outspoken of the craven Democratic elected officials about the aggression against Iraq, has been subjected to vicious McCarthyite witchhunting by Republicans Trent Lott and Don Nickles, and the corporate media. If they McCarthy a congressman for expressing doubts about the war, imagine what they'll do to an ordinary person? It takes a tremendous amount of courage to speak out in dissent in today's semi-fascist AmeriKKKa. But if we do not, Bush will win without a fight, and universal darkness will cover all.
 
Re: Stock market in free fall

REDWAVE said:

Meanwhile, wealthy speculators with inside information are making a killing playing the down side, profiting from everyone else's misery. . .

RED...... now wonder you hate capitalism - you don't know anything about it.

Purchasing "Put Options" (a guaranteed selling price for a particular stock) is not some scheme used by "wealthy speculators with inside information" to "make a killing playing the downside."

Put Options are used by short term traders to reduce risk in a volatile market. They are also heavily used by mutual fund managers to control the downside risk in a bear market. There are even mutual funds, called "Bear Funds" that specifically make use of Put Options in order to profit in a volatile or bear market. The Prudential Bear Fund is up 123% this year (through last Friday).

The point is that over 60% of the U.S. public are owners of stocks through their 401K and pension funds. Therefore, MOST Americans are periodically owners of Put Options. I don't call that speculation by wealthy insiders.

Now I've gone and done it....... I've tried to reason with a stump. The satisfaction feels good, but it's still a stump.
 
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