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butters said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...pc=U531&cvid=68fdb01bd9eb4059acf5ab9fe75db5b6

Slovakia first NATO member to send 'such advanced weaponry': they sent an S-300 air defense system..."Soviet-era S-300 is a long-range surface-to-air missile system that can shoot down cruise missiles and aircraft". 90 mile range and used for taking out missiles and planes.
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something that could take out ships would useful. Ukraine has the 'Neptune' system, but cant turn their radar on for fear of it being located and destroyed. should anything look to be happening around Odessa that could change though, rather a nice looking russian fleet in that area presently blocking international sea lanes.
 
Since the invasion began Feb. 24, the U.S. has committed more than $1.7 billion in security assistance, the Defense Department said in a memo that was circulated by the White House on Thursday, and $2.4 billion since President Biden took office.

"The administration is working around the clock to fulfill Ukraine’s priority security assistance requests, delivering weapons from U.S. stocks when they are available, and facilitating the delivery of weapons by allies and partners when their systems better suit Ukraine’s needs," the memo stated.
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To punctuate its point, the memo gave specific counts of weapons that have been provided, including: at least 1,400 Stinger anti-aircraft systems; more than 5,000 Javelin anti-armor systems; more than 7,000 small arms; 50 million rounds of ammunition; 45,000 sets of body armor and helmets; laser-guided rocket systems; night vision devices, thermal imagery systems, and optics, and an array of other items.
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https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/ru...e-since-russian-invasion-ARpl2gGRMcVQhzNTDQOr

the US in involved in delivering more than weaponry: it has US teams training Ukrainians in the use of certain weaponry, is involved in 'facilitating', logistics and more. can it do more? i'd hope so, but it's treading a fine line between the regulations of 'defense' and moves that will be construed as an offense by a NATO member. Slovakia understands its own perilous situation should the russians remain unchecked and that Ukraine's fight ultimately is one that defends Slovakia as much as itself... so is willing (with public support the US might lack) to up its ante.

Despite being a NATO member, the US is still far enough removed from the arena of war that it would receive public opposition (through fears of nuclear issues, costs, American lives on the line) to certain moves that would deeply benefit Ukraine. It's hard to see the government moving against the voting will of the public, so it's really important the public feels the urgency of Ukraine's need. That's why the coverage of all the war crimes russia's committing is so essential... public opinion, public sentiment, must be behind moves that could potentially broaden the russia-Ukraine war into something on a global scale.
 
pecksniff said:
Soviet-era? That system is at least 30 years old! Does it still work?!
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i'm assuming so. hoping so!

this was from 2006: https://web.archive.org/web/2011092...gycenter.net/research/pubID.93/pub_detail.asp
The most capable air defence system currently in PLA service are derivatives of the Russian Almaz S-300PMU/SA-10 Grumble family of Surface to Air Missiles. The S-300 SAM systems remain one of the most lethal, if not the most lethal, all altitude area defence SAM systems in service, with a range of more capable derivatives entering service in Russia, or in development. Over the Taiwan Strait the later versions of the S-300 become "offensive" weapons in that they can attack targets in Taiwanese airspace, severely challenging that nation’s air defense. Moreover, these missiles threaten all U.S. combat aircraft that may be called upon to assist Taiwan other than the stealthy B-2A and F-22A, the latter which is just entering service in diminished numbers.
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and this from 2021: seems a lot of countries have them
Algeria, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bulgaria, China, Greece, India, Iran, Kazakhstan, Russia, Slovakia, Syria, Ukraine, Venezuela, Vietnam; S-300V: Egypt, Iran, Russia, Venezuela
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As of 2016, the S-300P is no longer in production. However, export orders for the system continue to be taken and are filled using refurbished models. Recently, the system has garnered a significant amount of international attention due to its deployment to Crimea, Syria, and its export to Iran. Following the 2014 Russian annexation of Crimea, Russia deployed S-300P units to the peninsula. 7https://missilethreat.csis.org/defsys/s-300/#easy-footnote-bottom-7-1909
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In October 2016, Russia deployed the system at its naval base in Tartus, Syria. Shortly after the deployment, Major-General Igor Konashenkov, a Russian military spokesman, said in regards to a possible U.S. strike on Syrian government forces that, “I would recommend to our colleagues in Washington to thoroughly consider the possible consequences of the realization of such plans.” He then warned the United States that Russia would use its air defense systems, including the S-300s to target any aircraft attacking Russian or Syrian forces. 8
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https://missilethreat.csis.org/defsys/s-300/
 
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butters said:
that went out live? like.. wthff?? talk about advertise their position. maybe they thought it 'safe' inasmuch as russia wouldn't risk bombing the british PM even if it gave them a chance to take out President Zelenskyy. *sighs*
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It was a big 🖕to Putin
 
pecksniff said:
Soviet-era? That system is at least 30 years old! Does it still work?!
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As I understand, Slovaks have upgraded them, so those might be better than even new Russian own of the same designation.

It's very good, supposedly, especially as American intelligence said, when Ukrainians operate it. Both Ukraine and Russia use them extensively in this conflict, Ukraine with own software and possible mods, but they lost a battery early on and several elements later. Russian also field S400, the next level, supposedly, but plenty of S300 as well.
 
ll74 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1512858927419043840

This was just...
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More than that:

In the wake of the train station attack, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson made a surprise visit to Kyiv on Saturday and met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. It was his first visit to the country since the Russian invasion began.

Calling the war “inexcusable,” Johnson pledged to intensify sanctions on Russia by not merely freezing assets but also moving away from the use of Russian oil and gas. He also promised British assistance with clearing mines Russian forces left behind and said that Britain would liberalize trade with Ukraine. A day earlier, Johnson announced that the United Kingdom would provide an additional $130 million worth of weapons for Ukraine.

In a news conference with Johnson after their meeting, Zelensky called on leaders of Western democracies to “follow the example of the United Kingdom” by imposing an embargo on Russian energy sources and supplying more weapons to Ukraine.
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So, he's providing actual material support to the war effort.
 
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