War Games…Contingency Plans for North Korean Aggression

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War Games…Contingency Plans for North Korean Aggression


I suggest the ‘midnight oil’ has been burning brightly for some time now in US military planning commands around the world.

From the mind of a “Tom Clancy” style strategist, here is what I think might be in the works.

Extrapolating only from public and general information gained via the popular press, (If I had other access, I could not admit it and certainly could not publicize it), then we all know of the summer missile tests by North Korea and we know also that US forces recovered the remains of the long range missile launched by the North Koreans and consequently know everything about the capabilities of that weapon.

The mere event of North Korean testing that system set into motion an entire range of missile defense systems that were ordered into active alert status in areas that will permit interdiction before any future missile launch could impact a South Eastern Alliance member nation.

Simultaneously, missile launch sites in North Korea were pinpointed by satellite tracking devices and integrated with fifty years of intelligence information concerning North Korean military installations. In country Intel sources were placed on higher alert and all surveillance resources were brought online to update and modify current knowledge about readiness and capabilities.

Defense Department and Military Planning facilities began second level planning concerning staging areas, similar to, but not identical, to those that were in play in the Korean Conflict of 1950. Naval Fleet assignments were considered and initial planning begun for a reallocation of resources to the theater.

Plans were set in action to activate reserve forces specific to the duty required and men, material and resources began an allocation curve to readiness on a higher level requirement, not quite a ‘stand-by’ status, but all the background build-up for rapid deployment if required.

Possessing a ballistic missile, long range delivery system also means the North Koreans have the capability of satellite construction and insertion into orbit and one may presume that North Korea has earth orbit satellites currently in orbit with surveillance capabilities and perhaps offensive capabilities also. Thus one may also presume that each and every satellite is known by the United States and targeted as first strike imperatives in the event of conflict. One has to also consider the intelligence that went into the destruction of the Twin Towers; EMP Electro magnetic Pulse weapons…it is within the realm of possibility that North Korea has, in orbit, a device that would destroy US satellite capabilities and virtually blind surveillance and weapons engagement.

To a greater or lesser degree, depending on the nation, each country as a signatory to the South East Asia Treaty Organization, (SEATO) would be informed and asked to coordinate the defensive preparations and gathering of forces underway.

All the planning, while urgent at the command and planning level, still takes time to accomplish and is done without public announcement and under strict security procedures, personnel involved are not free to speak of their deployment orders.

This was all in progress and proceeding, most likely according to plan when North Korea claimed to have detonated a nuclear device.

Intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of delivering conventional, chemical or biological weapons reside at a certain level of threat awareness. When not actually at war, SEATO nations are limited by treaty to only responding once an overt attack has been made.

That all changed with the apparently successful testing of a Nuclear device.

Planning now accelerates to a higher level. Pre-emptive interdiction now guides the rules of engagement as neither the SEATO nations, nor neighboring Asian nations will tolerate a possible first strike Nuclear attack.

Any and all troop movements towards the demilitarized zone separating the North from the South will be immediately known. Any Naval activity of warships or even commercial shipping that could act as a platform for offensive action, will be known and tracked. Any and all activity around known missile launch sites will be constantly monitored and known instantly in command centers around the world.

Naval, supply, transport, men and materials from all SEATO nations will begin gathering in staging areas and transpacific supply lines will be activated and utilized at the highest level. Constant and 24/7 aircraft surveillance is already in effect, fully armed and ready.

None of this will be announced or publicized and you will, and do, know nothing of the build-up and the preparation and the planning.

As the crisis intensifies and war scares multiply into the popular media as it will, and the politicians begin the dialogue and satisfy the feeding frenzy of the media, it will seem a tumultuous time is at hand.

It is not.

The United States, alone, all by itself, has the military capability, at this moment, in place, locked and loaded, over North Korea, with the use of non Nuclear weapons, to neutralize, destroy if you will, every missile site, every ship, every aircraft and every troop concentration of the North Koreans.

Event if a missile were launched from North Korea, defensive weapons, already in place, could destroy a thousand missiles, simultaneously arising and then destroy the bases they were launched from.

The US has Airborne and Satellite Laser weapons capable of tracking and destroying any number of offensive weapons launched from any location in North Korea, indeed, from any location in the world.

The only avenue of possible success for North Korea is to deliver a device by submarine or fishing boat or by land transport into South Korea and inflict a ‘terrorist’ like attack on an urban area; or aboard ship, somehow hidden and concealed to be detonated at a port of choice, perhaps anywhere in the world.

But even if, and once the military potential for delivering destruction outside the borders of North Korea is eliminated, that does not solve the problem.

There would still be a million armed military personnel to contend with in North Korea. Conventional force would eliminate most, as it did it Iraq, in both wars, but still, ‘boots on the ground’ soldiers would have to go into North Korea. This brings up China and perhaps even Communist Vietnam.

I make no predictions, but it seems inevitable that ‘something’ is going to occur.

What will it be?

Amicus…
 
One of the bigger questions is where are the "boots on the ground" going to come from? A draft?
 
Two days ago, the JCS said 2/3rds if the US Military is not ready and fit for combat. This statement included both training and equipment. With more than 1/3rd of the US military tied up in Afganistan and Iraq what do you have to deal with a second (third?) front in North Korea?

If you look at your history, in 1950 McCarther lead the UN (American) military against the North Koreans and discovered they were fighting Chinese weapons, intellegence and leadership. Did we win?

In 1962 Kennedy lead the country into Viet Nam only to find we were fighting an enemy supplied, supported and fed by the Chinese. Did we win this one either?

North Korea appears to be a rogue nation headed by an insane dictator. I really don't believe that is true. Kim is a very calculating individual with both short and long term international political aims. If he really wanted long range ballistic missils and Atomic warheads, don't you think he could get them from his friends in China?

The practicalities of carrying on a war with North Korea is not even an option. Bombing North Korea is not really an option either since 90% of the working missils North Korea has are trailer mounted Scuds (remember the Scud hunt that went on for months back in 2002 at the beginning of the Iraq mess?).

We have to be careful that any military action is limited to the Korean penninsila and does not spread to the Chinese mainland, Japan or SouthEast Asia. That would be desasterous for our economy and incisite something like WWIII.

To carry out an air war with North Korea is impractical. When was the last time an air war worked out when it was not immediately followed by ground troops? Never.

Ok, so what about cruise missils? The military claims a 98% effectiveness on the target. With that kind of accuracy, why did they miss Gadaffie three different times (one time missing his palace completely)? In fact, what came out of Desert Storm was an understanding the cruise missils and "smart bombs" have an actual accuracy of only about 60%. And again, would it work without a ground troop follow up? No.

Well, just to be sure, why not drop a couple of Hydrogen Bombs? I'm not even going to go there because it's not even an option.

So, go ahead a rattle your sabers along with Bush, but keep in mind your sabre was purchased as part of a Pirate Play Set at Toys R Us, is made of rubber and not really a viable weapon.

The question is, where do you get the material and personel to do this in North Korea? As long as Bush has us bogged down in Iraq and Afganistan, the US Military is no threat anywhere else in the world. I think Kim knows this.
 
We don't have any missile-destroyng satellites or working anti-missile systems. None. Zero. We don't even have any military lasers except as gun sights and targeting devices. That's all science fiction. Star wars.

Anyhow, if Dear Leader wanted to blow something up in the US, he wouldn't use a missile, he'd ship his device over in an air-sea container and nuke the port of Los Angeles. Missiles are obsolete. Business is the way to go now. Cheaper and more efficient. After 5 years of the War on Terror still only 5% of incoming cargo is examined.

But it doesn't matter, because North Korea's not going to use what they've got. All Kim Jong Il is doing is rubbing Bush's face in it and looking for attention. He wants the Americans to start talking to him again one-on-one and make him feel like a big shot, which Bush has always refused to do. They're like two frat boys.

It's Iran we should be worried about. They're close, and they're the ones who would use it, and they're already expecting an American invasion. I've heard we already have a strike force including the carrier USS Eisenhower in place off Iran, but whether for show or for use, no one knows yet. But there's talk that Bush wants to do something about Iran before he leaves office. and we know what kinds of things he likes to do.

A strike against Iran would be one huge fucking mistake and have devastating consequences. It could really lead to WWIII, and he's just fool enough to do it.

Remember "The Axis of Evil", the 3 states that would never develop nuclear weapons "on my watch"? Iraq, Iran, and North Korea? Well, North Korea now has one, Iran's close, and we went and invaded the only one that wasn't working on one and got ourselves stuck there.

Bush single-handedly revoked the Non-Proliferation Treaty, in effect since 1968. He announced the American policy of Pre-emptive strikes against countries we didn't like, which scared the shit out of Iran and North Korea (especially after they saw what happened to Iraq) and made the development of an atomic defense the number one priority in their eyes. He refused to talk to North Korea. He repudiated the UN and said they were worthless. He advocated Cowboy Diplomacy and Going-It-Alone and started developing new nuclear weapons - bunker-buster bombs and tactical nukes. He practically declared war on North Korea and Iran. And this is what you get.
 
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Besides, if Kim Jong Il wants to destroy the western world, all he need to is nuke Tokyo. The resultant collapse of the global economy and supply chain would do the rest.
 
Jenny_Jackson said:
In 1962 Kennedy lead the country into Viet Nam only to find we were fighting an enemy supplied, supported and fed by the Chinese.

Just for the sake of accuracy …

US involvement in Vietnam dates back to the Truman administration with the decision to drop support for our WWII allies, the Vietnamese nationalists led by Ho Chi Min, in favor of French colonialism. Both the Eisenhower and Kennedy administrations sent “advisors” (US Special Forces that trained troops and led them into battle) in South Vietnam. It was the Johnson administration that sent US troops there beginning in 1965.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
… It's Iran we should be worried about. They're close, and they're the ones who would use it, and they're already expecting an American invasion. I've heard we already have a strike force including the carrier USS Eisenhower in place off Iran, but whether for show or for use, no one knows yet. But there's talk that Bush wants to do something about Iran before he leaves office. and we know what kinds of things he likes to do.

A strike against Iran would be one huge fucking mistake and have devastating consequences. It could really lead to WWIII, and he's just fool enough to do it. …

Excellent post. I too have read about the Eisenhower carrier group being placed just off Iran. I can’t help but wonder if Bush’s ‘October surprise’ includes a strike against Iran. You would think they (the Bush administration) would be smart enough to know it’s a bad idea but given their history …
 
Jenny_Jackson said:
If you look at your history, in 1950 McCarther lead the UN (American) military against the North Koreans and discovered they were fighting Chinese weapons, intellegence and leadership. Did we win?

In 1962 Kennedy lead the country into Viet Nam only to find we were fighting an enemy supplied, supported and fed by the Chinese. Did we win this one either?

Jen, you need to go back to history class, you get an F on both conflicts.

Against the North Koreans, despite chinese equipment and "leadership," Mac Arthur was within a few miles of the Yalu River and total occupation of North Korea when China intervened directly with several million Chinese troops. Even then, after the disastorous intital retreat, Mac Arthur was in the process of pushing the combined forces of China and North Korea (with a smattering of Russian MiG pilots in support) back towards the Yalu River when politics intervened and called for a "halt in place" for Truce talks.

The Korean Conflict was the last time the Soviets and Chinese cooperated to support a client state. North Vietnam was a Soviet Client State and China stayed essentially neutral and would have remianed so as long as her borders weren't violated or threatened as they were in Korea.

Jenny_Jackson said:
The question is, where do you get the material and personel to do this in North Korea? As long as Bush has us bogged down in Iraq and Afganistan, the US Military is no threat anywhere else in the world. I think Kim knows this.

The problem is, Kim Jong Il is almost certainly counting on the USA being too over-tasked to put boots on the ground in a renewed Korean conflict, but I have serious reservations about GWB's grasp of military realities.

I fear GWB is going to put too much faith in experimental anti-missle laser systems and the capabilities of the B-2 to drop large amounts of precision, bunker-busting, conventional weapons anywhere in the world.
 
Jack Kelly asks an important question: why is North Korea our problem? South Korea and Japan can defend themselves just fine. In fact, South Korea has twice as many people, 24 times as much money and a decent military. Let them deal with North Korea, says Kelly. Interesting take.
 
Dr. Mabeuse said, in part: "...We don't have any missile-destroyng satellites or working anti-missile systems. None. Zero. We don't even have any military lasers except as gun sights and targeting devices. That's all science fiction. Star wars..."

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I was hoping someone else would step in and confirm the existence of airborne laser weapons, they have been detailed on both the Science channel and the Military channel for the last year or so, I have seen three different programs, twice each displaying Boeing 767's packed full of chemical laser generators and the statement was made that they have been operational for over two years.

This system is tied to an orbiting AWACS Doppler radar system and a GPS directed satellite targeting system that can instantly detect missile launches, even SCUDS, and instantaneous provide both target data to the missile and its launch location.

There were also two other programs highlighting a satellite laser weapon advertised as a 'defensive weapon only' to combat possible satellite launched EMP weapons which if successful would eliminate every electronic device orbiting the earth on a hemisphere wide basis. I you for one minute think those. 'defensive' weapons cannot be turned earthward, then I have a bridge to offer you in Yonkers.


Further, I gather you folks are rather clueless when it comes to comprehending the technical ability of the 'new' armed forces of the United States. Video 'Gamers' at a military base in California can direct a strike on a tactical target anywhere in the world with a variety of manned and unmanned weaponry, much of it undetectable.

The hatred and disagreement expressed by many 'retired' military officers exploited by media in the past two years can be understood if you realize that many of those 'retired' were simply unable to cope, to comprehend and embrace the new electronic military, smaller, more effective and more efficient than ever before and than any other military force in the world.

It is not numbers, not boots on the ground anymore, rather the technology and the ability of our military to neutralize any threat, anywhere in the world at very short notice.

The United States and the world in fact learned a lesson the hard way, to the cost of a hundred million lives by not confronting and interdicting the Germans and the Japanese in the mid to late 1930's. The US at least, learned, and began confronting Communist expansion in Europe and Asia and continued to do so until the collapse of the Soviet Union.

The hegemony of Islam, in the middle east, in Africa and in Asia is easily and validly comparable to German Fascism and Japanese Imperialism, if not to British Colonialism, then certainly to Spanish and Italian expansionist dogma pre 19th century.

Pre world war two there were twenty democratic nations in the world, today, there are one hundred and twenty. Progress is not always visible nor it is applauded, but progress towards human rights continues, appreciated or not.

amicus...




amicus...
 
amicus said:
...Further, I gather you folks are rather clueless when it comes to comprehending the technical ability of the 'new' armed forces of the United States. ....
It is not numbers, not boots on the ground anymore, rather the technology and the ability of our military to neutralize any threat, anywhere in the world at very short notice.
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Yep. Technology and low numbers (!) sure did the trick in Iraq. :cool:

Zeb_Carter said:
Jack Kelly asks an important question: why is North Korea our problem? South Korea and Japan can defend themselves just fine. In fact, South Korea has twice as many people, 24 times as much money and a decent military. Let them deal with North Korea, says Kelly. Interesting take.

For that matter, one could ask why anywhere outside the US is our problem. Here's a two-remove reason: China would be threatened by a Nork Nuke, and China holds a shit-load of the US foreign debt, while contributing a big chunk (oops, I first typed 'chink' there... :eek: ) of manufacturing capacity for good that are essential to our daily lives in the US. Here's a one-remove reason: I live in the Seattle area and I'm not convinced that our vaunted intelligence capability that the article cites as infallible for this purpose, and is simultaneously blamed by rightists (and BushCo itself) for inaccurate assessments of Iraqi capabilities, is worth trusting my life and that of all my neighbors to.
 
amicus said:
Dr. Mabeuse said, in part: "...We don't have any missile-destroyng satellites or working anti-missile systems. None. Zero. We don't even have any military lasers except as gun sights and targeting devices. That's all science fiction. Star wars..."

~~~~~

I was hoping someone else would step in and confirm the existence of airborne laser weapons, they have been detailed on both the Science channel and the Military channel for the last year or so, I have seen three different programs, twice each displaying Boeing 767's packed full of chemical laser generators and the statement was made that they have been operational for over two years.

This system is tied to an orbiting AWACS Doppler radar system and a GPS directed satellite targeting system that can instantly detect missile launches, even SCUDS, and instantaneous provide both target data to the missile and its launch location.

There were also two other programs highlighting a satellite laser weapon advertised as a 'defensive weapon only' to combat possible satellite launched EMP weapons which if successful would eliminate every electronic device orbiting the earth on a hemisphere wide basis. I you for one minute think those. 'defensive' weapons cannot be turned earthward, then I have a bridge to offer you in Yonkers.


Further, I gather you folks are rather clueless when it comes to comprehending the technical ability of the 'new' armed forces of the United States. Video 'Gamers' at a military base in California can direct a strike on a tactical target anywhere in the world with a variety of manned and unmanned weaponry, much of it undetectable.

The hatred and disagreement expressed by many 'retired' military officers exploited by media in the past two years can be understood if you realize that many of those 'retired' were simply unable to cope, to comprehend and embrace the new electronic military, smaller, more effective and more efficient than ever before and than any other military force in the world.

It is not numbers, not boots on the ground anymore, rather the technology and the ability of our military to neutralize any threat, anywhere in the world at very short notice.

The United States and the world in fact learned a lesson the hard way, to the cost of a hundred million lives by not confronting and interdicting the Germans and the Japanese in the mid to late 1930's. The US at least, learned, and began confronting Communist expansion in Europe and Asia and continued to do so until the collapse of the Soviet Union.

The hegemony of Islam, in the middle east, in Africa and in Asia is easily and validly comparable to German Fascism and Japanese Imperialism, if not to British Colonialism, then certainly to Spanish and Italian expansionist dogma pre 19th century.

Pre world war two there were twenty democratic nations in the world, today, there are one hundred and twenty. Progress is not always visible nor it is applauded, but progress towards human rights continues, appreciated or not.

amicus...




amicus...

Ami,

I concede that I must do some research into the Laser weaponry. I hadn't heard that they had found a solution to the energy demands needed by a weapons grade laser. Nor had I heard they had found a cure to the cooling problems they have been running into with these types of devices. Perhaps they have, like I said I must do some research on this.

As for the remote weapons delivery systems. Yes I know about that. I even know about their newer ability to bring the command and controll units for these types of remote operated weaponry into the field. What I didn't know about is the ability of teleoperated devices to control territory, to invest and own it as only a man can do. (Something we learned in Vietnam. If you take territory you hold it or you will have to take it again.)

Yes Ami, we have made great advances in weapons, and are continuing to do so. Right down to the new and improved personal weapons being tested at this time. (No I am not talkng about the M-4 which is merely an improvement on the M-16, nor am I talking about the M-249 which was a good weapon until the United States tried to improve upon it.)

We are improving our weapons, we are improving our armor, we are improving our detection equipment. Our soldiers are going high tech. Very High Tech. Their chances of surviving is getting better, and yet I am always reminded of a quote I heard a long time ago.

"Our soldiers are very well equipped, their gear is top of the line and yet I fear that some day a soldier will be kneeling there adjusting his verniers when some ignorant tribesman will come up behind him and bash his skull in with a stone axe."

Cat
 
Huckleman...et al, apparently you folks have a selective loss of memory and have not availed yourself of post invasion analysis for either Desert Storm or the current war in Iraq.

One should, I suppose, politely snicker at the wisdom of hindsight and monday morning quarterbacks who could have always done it better, but I just disregard your comments as inane natter about things you know nothing of and wish to hide beneath an agenda.

Both Iraqi engagements were exemplary in terms of the capability of the US and Coalition military forces to quickly neutralize any offensive threat by enemy forces.

Before either conflict began, military and political planners considered as many possible scenarios as the mind can conceive and did battle to pass up the chain their best efforts at predicting what might happen.

One scenario, no doubt, would have described the current situation in Iraq and the inflow of Islamic terrorists after the fact and the outside support of Iran and the Muslim world in general, I am sure it was hoped that this situation would not evolve and that the Iraqi people, in general, would welcome the liberating coalition forces and set forth to institute a more humane form of democratic rule.

But that was not to be as splinter groups of Islamo Fascists began striking world wide, not just against coalition members, but almost at random, Bali, for example, in order to demonstrate their ability to kill westerners and create havoc worldwide.

There is more...much more....but I am cooking at the moment and must direct my attention elsewhere...


amicus...
 
Well then, I guess we have nothing to worry about, do we? Ami saw a couple of shows on TV about cool planes and video gamers in California and the situation's well in hand.

Kim Jong Ill's not going to do anything with his nukes. They're doomsday weapons, defensive, not offensive. Bush all but promised an invasion, and so now the Dear Leader has a button he can lean on and say, "Go ahead. Make my day. Bomb me and I'll take out Seoul."

Iran's got the same plan re Tel Aviv.
 
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Kim has a 1 ton yield nuke... color me fucking scared.

I fucking dare the piss-ant-fuck to use it.

No, I DOUBLE-DARE him!
 
I think we should just send the Dear Leader a telegram (delivered by Ed McMahon) informing him that he is the winner of a random drawing, but to claim his prize of an all expense paid Tokyo shopping trip, date with Angelina Jolie, and Super Bowl tickets, he must show up at a special dinner in Guantanamo. Naturally, the "dinner" will be the tyrant's version of a roach motel - they go in, but don't come out.
 
amicus said:
airborne laser weapons, they have been detailed on both the Science channel and the Military channel for the last year or so, I have seen three different programs, twice each displaying Boeing 767's packed full of chemical laser generators and the statement was made that they have been operational for over two years.

Good Lord. "I saw it on TV, so it must be true." What you saw was an infomercial from the DOD that they show to (arms dealers) friendly countries when they're marketing their big-ticket items. I thought the Power Rangers had airborne laser weapons too, didn't they? It was on TV. Or was that the Transformers? Naw, they just turned into trucks and shit.

Besides, I saw a TV show about the secret death ray we've reconstructed from the hundreds of UFO crashes in New Mexico. By now, they've probably cloned the hordes of alien warriors we need as well.

I envision a grand remake of Dr. Strangelove, with Henry Kissinger (reprising) starring in the title role, muttering darkly about "salted peanuts" as he plans a pre-emptive strike. Bush is perfect as the clueless president, and Rummy could nail the "precious bodily fluids" speech without a rehearsal. Anyone with me on this?

--Zack
 
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elsol said:
Kim has a 1 ton yield nuke... color me fucking scared.

I fucking dare the piss-ant-fuck to use it.

No, I DOUBLE-DARE him!

You're pretty goddamned cavalier about the 8 million people who live in Seoul. Maybe if a few of your loved ones were stationed at Osan Air Base, or at Camp Casey you wouldn't be quite so fucking ignorant.
 
[QUOTE=Matadore]You're pretty goddamned cavalier about the 8 million people who live in Seoul. Maybe if a few of your loved ones were stationed at Osan Air Base, or at Camp Casey you wouldn't be quite so fucking ignorant.[/QUOTE]

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Matadore...people like Mab and elsol and seattle zack are comparable to the minority underachiever in highschool who got a social college grant, bumped through courses to maintain 'equality' got bumped into grad school as an assistant, kept all his/her ducks in somewhat a row (variable depending on skin color and sex), they are true, 'social liberals' who float with any breeze that carries them and have never studied anything or had an original thought ever in their own minds...(which they doubt even exists)

Thanks for a little dose of reality...

amicus...
 
Some are just too busy to be bothered

amicus said:
Huckleman...et al, apparently you folks have a selective loss of memory and have not availed yourself of post invasion analysis for either Desert Storm or the current war in Iraq.

Oh sweet Jesus! Deliver us from assholes who have the simple answer to solve the problems of the world, but are too busy to get their facts straight because they have to stop to cook dinner! Just for one example...Bush I didn't march on to Bagdad not because we couldn't have won the battles, but because we couldn't win the peace. The estimate for pacifing the nation was 600,000 troops...which we didn't have! Congress didn't have the balls to reinstate the draft to wage "war" nor to do all the other things needed when a country really is at war (rationing of fuel, rubber, metals, paper, etc.)




One scenario, no doubt, would have described the current situation in Iraq and the inflow of Islamic terrorists after the fact and the outside support of Iran and the Muslim world in general, I am sure it was hoped that this situation would not evolve and that the Iraqi people, in general, would welcome the liberating coalition forces and set forth to institute a more humane form of democratic rule.

There is more...much more....but I am cooking at the moment and must direct my attention elsewhere...

So the answer is to hope that the war will go as planned...too goddamned bad that someone didn't let the enemy know what they were supposed to do, isn't it? Maybe the person responsible was "cooking dinner"
amicus...
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Mabeuse...this is why I include you in the 'three dolts above', : you said in part:"...Well then, I guess we have nothing to worry about, do we? Ami saw a couple of shows on TV about cool planes and video gamers in California and the situation's well in hand...."

I tried to impart that behind the television programs were writers and resources of which I suspected no one would be aware.

But then for those whose main television fair is the "Simpsons", what else should one expect.

Do a little research on your own...you might be surprised at what you find; but then you would just lie about it anyway, damned social liberals anyway...


amicus...
 
amicus said:
Matadore...people like Mab and elsol and seattle zack are comparable to the minority underachiever in highschool

Man, you've so got me pegged. Here I am, a (white) son of a NASA engineer from a (white) family of five Roman Catholic kids. I really pushed my minority underachiever status to the max. Top ten in the country on the national math test, but those scholarship offers were rigged because of my (white) ethnic background. Such an underachiever I am. Should be ashamed, but us ethnic minorities are entitled.
 
To get closer to the subject of the thread: Basically, North Korea is an extortionist nation. They have hundreds of missiles and artillery pieces aimed at Seoul and to keep them from shooting them all off, the US and South Korea are sending them tons of money and food keeping the regime in power. With nukes, they will up the required "protection" money.
 
Matadore said:
You're pretty goddamned cavalier about the 8 million people who live in Seoul. Maybe if a few of your loved ones were stationed at Osan Air Base, or at Camp Casey you wouldn't be quite so fucking ignorant.

Oh wait! You're not actually surprised that someone we couldn't control finally got a nuke. Please say it ain't so...

Here's my advice: be fucking glad that China has to take serious interest in this particular bastard having a nuke.

Hmm... I would also suggest to everyone that possibly... Kim needs to be dealt with harshly and in a hurry.

He may not have the balls to use it; but I bet he has the balls to sell it to someone who will.

*tick*tock*tick*tock*
 
elsol said:
Oh wait! You're not actually surprised that someone we couldn't control finally got a nuke. Please say it ain't so...

Here's my advice: be fucking glad that China has to take serious interest in this particular bastard having a nuke.

Hmm... I would also suggest to everyone that possibly... Kim needs to be dealt with harshly and in a hurry.

He may not have the balls to use it; but I bet he has the balls to sell it to someone who will.

*tick*tock*tick*tock*

Actually, China has had nukes for a long time, and so did the USSR. We had no control over them and very little over India or Pakistan.
 
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