Waging War Against Iran

Waging War Against Iran:

  • Yes - Obama, as Commander-in-Chief, should lead us into war with Iran just like W did in Iraq and Af

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Will we?

And if we do...

...how will we?

Will we wage war like we have in Iraq and Afghanistan...

...or will the People insist Congress declares war against Iran?

I read today where the Obama administration blantantly admits a goal is to completely shut-down the central bank of Iran; you also might be aware that when the Congress legislated the new NDAA act and the President signed it into law, dire economic sanctions began against Iran and all countries which do business with it. I also read today where the US has managed to twist Japan's arm enough that they're going to go along with the US's demand for an oil export boycott against Iran...

...which sparked my memory of a bunch of theorizing about why Imperial Japan decided to attack Pearl Habor, which prompted the Congress of the United States of America to declare war on against Japan on December 8, 1941, propelling America into World War II.

The Japanese unconditionally surrendered on August 15, 1945, and signed the surrender document on September 2, 1945, marking the official end of WWII - a little over 66 years ago...

...and despite all the "conflicts" and "wars" America has been involved in since then, Constitutional war has not been declared against any foe in more than 69 years (after declaring war against Germany 3 days after doing so against Japan, the USA also declared war against Bulgaria, Hungrary, and Romania on June 5, 1942).

In fact, in its entire 222+year history as a republic, America has only declared war 5 times.

The way things keep stacking-up geopolitically, Communist China and Russia look to be steadfastly backing Iran, and with 3 American carrier groups and allied naval forces also in the area...

...how feasible is it that Iran will react to all the geopolitical vise-grip-like squeezing and retaliate against American forces similar to Imperial Japan's attack on December 7, 1945? How feasible is another "Gulf of Tonkin" experience likely to occur which ignites what could turn into World War III?

So...

...is war with Iran inevitable?

And, if it is...

...how should America wage it?


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...how should America wage it?

If we must . . . By keeping our actual troops out of the country (nothing makes people, even dissidents, rally 'round the flag like a foreign invasion), while enouraging internal dissent. Ahmadenijad and Khamenei have been locking horns a lot lately, and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corp is an independent faction/force in its own right. A civil war in Iran could well have three sides -- four, if pro-secular-democracy dissidents join in. Same way we waged war in Libya -- limit participation to air support and financial support of homegrown rebels. When there are some.
 
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I believe Iran's nuclear facilities will be targeted by air, if they continue to pursue weapon grade production. The real question is will it be by the US or Israel?

I believe Iran's naval and air forces will be targeted by US air assets, if they attempt to disrupt transportation through Hormuz.

Ground troops will NOT be involved and Obama will NOT go to Congress and seek a war decleration.

Neither China, Russia or anyone else will blink an eye if we do it.

Iranians are Persians and as such are hated by the majority of Arabs. However, if Obama leaves it to Israel, the Arabs will be disgruntled at the least and by internal (anti-Israel) pressure will make things uncomfortable for us.

One thing for sure, a nuclear Iran is not tolerable by Israel.
 
Probably by sinking their navy in a three day campaign and destroying a fairly good percentage of their army in the process, while pursuing an air campaign against their nuclear facilities. Question is, what is the trigger going to be?

I believe Iran's nuclear facilities will be targeted by air, if they continue to pursue weapon grade production. The real question is will it be by the US or Israel?

Lit's resident military experts.

You may want to Google this one, to know why it's funny.
 
Is there an option for kinetic action?




No matter what, this President is not about to let any conflict rise to the label of war, and he has a compliant press that won't dare print the word...
 
Probably by sinking their navy in a three day campaign and destroying a fairly good percentage of their army in the process, while pursuing an air campaign against their nuclear facilities. Question is, what is the trigger going to be?

What in the world do you think this President would see as a trigger and not chickens coming home to roost?




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If we must . . . By keeping our actual troops out of the country (nothing makes people, even dissidents, rally 'round the flag like a foreign invasion), while enouraging internal dissent. Ahmadenijad and Khamenei have been locking horns a lot lately, and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corp is an independent faction/force in its own right. A civil war in Iran could well have three sides -- four, if pro-secular-democracy dissidents join in. Same way we waged war in Libya -- limit participation to air support and financial support of homegrown rebels. When there are some.

When Iran had dissent, Obama backed the Mullahs.

You have to be an ally to have your dissent backed up.

Look at Assad! What's Obama doing to encourage the dissent?

Vacation?

Parties?

Golf?
 
"Will we wage war like we have in Iraq and Afghanistan..."

I certainly hope not. The circumstances AND their capabilities are as different as could possibly be.
 
Their capabilities after shock and awe are comparative.




It's not if they run, but if they take their boots off first; they are not a homogeneous culture...
 
No reason why we couldn't just crush the little fuckers by the end of the week and be done with it....I don't see the problem.
 
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Please explain!

You have a funny use of English! :)

Remember Iraq?


Shock and Awe?

The only time we had to stop on the way to Baghdad was for logistical reasons.

Iran is actually no more united than Iran. Hit them with shock and awe, and no one will fight for them, the Quds no more than the Revolutionary Guard of Saddam.


;) ;)
 
Remember Iraq?


Shock and Awe?

The only time we had to stop on the way to Baghdad was for logistical reasons.

Iran is actually no more united than Iran. Hit them with shock and awe, and no one will fight for them, the Quds no more than the Revolutionary Guard of Saddam.


;) ;)

Iraq did not have a Navy. Iran is much stronger than Iraq and their military is more disciplined. We would win but we would not win unscathed.
 
Iraq did not have a Navy. Iran is much stronger than Iraq and their military is more disciplined. We would win but we would not win unscathed.

Iran will have a Navy about as long as Saddam had an Air Force...


If it doesn't sail to Bahrain...


;) ;)
 
No reason why we couldn't just crush the little fuckers by the end of the week and be done with it....I don't see the problem.

Iran is four or five times the size of Iraq, in area and in population, and every bit as volatile. Remember how Iraq turned out? What makes you think Iran would be easier?!
 
The Iranian military would make the French and Italians look courageous.
 
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