Voluntary Bimbofication story rejected.

[SEVERUSMAX]

It was rejected on grounds that mind control stories involving RL people or celebs are not approved. But there's the thing. It was a story where a celebrity intentionally had herself bimbofied for the sake of peace of mind. How is that a non-consent, mind control deal?

Just wondering.

 

[KeithD]

I would think that any story about a real person that has them doing something sexually that there is no basis for believing they would do would be (and should be) rejected here. You have every power in fiction to create a fictional celebrity, nearly identical in looks and background to anyone you want to think of them as, and do whatever you want with them. Celebrities in real life are someone's child/parent/spouse. Anyone writing about them should give a thought to how they'd want their own child/parent/spouse to be depicted as someone there's no evidence they would be.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

The way I see it, as long as it's understood that you're writing it as fiction and not claiming that it's real, there's no harm done, because you're not making false claims. It's just a story, just presented as fiction, not as a true account.

 

[KeithD]

Do you really think that's how the celebrity depicted doing something not in the personality they are projecting to the public would see it--especially something sexual? Really? If the celebrity were you or your child/parent/spouse? Really?

But on Literotica, it's Laurel's call.

 

[Handley_Page]

The way I see it, as long as it's understood that you're writing it as fiction and not claiming that it's real, there's no harm done, because you're not making false claims. It's just a story, just presented as fiction, not as a true account.

To some folks, what's written is true.

 

[jaF0]

Do it without names. Describe the person to some extent and use some non-specific references to roles or performances.

A blonde and ambitious character based on Heather Locklear for example could make reference to a role as a rookie cop or a sarcastic business manager who also did a monster flick.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

To some folks, what's written is true.

Sadly, some folks are that delusional.

 

[NoJo]

Ever since my "Sherlock Holmes" satire got put in the Celebrities category (nigh on eighteen years ago), I formed a clear opinion on Laurel's sanity (and her cupsize, which for me will always be 34C, whatever anyone says).

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Ever since my "Sherlock Holmes" satire got put in the Celebrities category (nigh on eighteen years ago), I formed a clear opinion on Laurel's sanity (and her cupsize, which for me will always be 34C, whatever anyone says).

The problem for me is that it was treated as if non-consensual, when it was anything but. The whole point of the story is that she bimbofies herself, opts for that as a solution to her horrific life since.

To be blunt, it was Monica Lewinsky and I liked the idea of her bimbofying herself to break free from her miserable post-impeachment life. I always thought that she would make a very fun bimbo in a story, but one aspect of bimbofication that had never been explored was the notion of consent...of a person choosing this for themselves rather than having it shoved down their throats (no pun intended).

I personally think of that as a real twist on the whole genre, the voluntary bimbo.

 

[NoJo]

So I can't write a story about Trump getting his dick bitten off by Stormy? Fuck.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

So I can't write a story about Trump getting his dick bitten off by Stormy? Fuck.

Well, you could, but I'm pretty sure that Laurel would reject it. She might not be playing with a full deck these days, but she's still a savvy admin/businesswoman. She doesn't want the Secret Service up her ass, either.

 

[lovecraft68]

The problem for me is that it was treated as if non-consensual, when it was anything but. The whole point of the story is that she bimbofies herself, opts for that as a solution to her horrific life since.

To be blunt, it was Monica Lewinsky and I liked the idea of her bimbofying herself to break free from her miserable post-impeachment life. I always thought that she would make a very fun bimbo in a story, but one aspect of bimbofication that had never been explored was the notion of consent...of a person choosing this for themselves rather than having it shoved down their throats (no pun intended).

I personally think of that as a real twist on the whole genre, the voluntary bimbo.

Actually MC is rape lite, but I won't have the same argument I've had here countless times over.

Believe whatever eases your conscience.

 

[lovecraft68]

So I can't write a story about Trump getting his dick bitten off by Stormy? Fuck.

No, but if you put it in Loving wives you could have Stormy's tits burned off and acid poured into her pussy and have her face sliced to ribbons with a razor and it would fly right through.

Because tits okay to torture women, especially in that category

Before people give me shit, I had a story that was published here for months, then someone complained because one chapter featured a guy getting his dick sliced off as revenge for raping the MC....it was removed the second some insecure whiny incel complained about it...but the chapter where I described some of what happened to her was just fine.

The message sent to women on this site, both in stories and on the boards is abundantly clear

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

But is it really mind control if it's voluntary bimbofication, anyway, that's the crux of the issue.

 

[ElectricBlue]

But is it really mind control if it's voluntary bimbofication, anyway, that's the crux of the issue.

I suspect it's more the choice of celebrity, if it was explicitly about Monica. If you hadn't named names and were a little more subtle you might have got a pass. But bimbofication isn't very subtle, and whichever way you spray it, making it Monica makes it political commentary. You're fighting city hall, though, and arguing it wasn't mind control or non-con is splitting hairs, I reckon.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I suspect it's more the choice of celebrity, if it was explicitly about Monica. If you hadn't named names and were a little more subtle you might have got a pass. But bimbofication isn't very subtle, and whichever way you spray it, making it Monica makes it political commentary. You're fighting city hall, though, and arguing it wasn't mind control or non-con is splitting hairs, I reckon.

Ah, see, a valid point. She's a bit of a lightning rod, isn't she? No matter what your politics might be.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I suspect it's more the choice of celebrity, if it was explicitly about Monica. If you hadn't named names and were a little more subtle you might have got a pass. But bimbofication isn't very subtle, and whichever way you spray it, making it Monica makes it political commentary. You're fighting city hall, though, and arguing it wasn't mind control or non-con is splitting hairs, I reckon.

It's possible to disguise the person and still have at least some of the readers get it. I did that with a famous actress as a character. Her career, looks, name, her place of origin, her present residence, the name of her estranged husband and a few other details gave clues as to who the character was based on.

It was actually sort of fun to do that.

 

[ElectricBlue]

It's possible to disguise the person and still have at least some of the readers get it.

Yes, that's how satire works best, when you engage wit and a little bit of clever. When you thump someone over the head with a piece of four by two to make sure they get it, it's no longer satire. It's the difference between Groucho Marx and The Three Stooges. Severusmax used a frying pan, I think .

 

[Bramblethorn]

Ever since my "Sherlock Holmes" satire got put in the Celebrities category (nigh on eighteen years ago), I formed a clear opinion on Laurel's sanity (and her cupsize, which for me will always be 34C, whatever anyone says).

I know the category got renamed a few years back, but AFAIK fanfic has always gone there even before it became "Celebrities and Fanfic".

 

[jaF0]

I had started an outline featuring an actress who hit her peak in the 90s (Heidi Mark if any of you remember her), but somewhere along the way I found out something extremely unfortunate happened to her and I ended up dropping the whole idea.

It kind of soured me on all such stories too.

 

[KeithD]

I got one through on a certain South Carolina senator based on a claimed RL story told me by one involved, but I didn't use names and it went through with no problem. At the other end, I have one naming Rock Hudson (again with a personally known story) and, since his reputation was as was given in the story, it too went through with no problem.

 

[LupusDei]

But is it really mind control if it's voluntary bimbofication, anyway, that's the crux of the issue.

Possibly comparable to your problem, there was a tread somewhere here not so long ago, another rant about a rejected story on grounds of non-consent of a celebrity. Allegedly, it was about a video game character willingly taking sedatives to then be fucked in her sleep.

It's likely less arbitrary than it seems, nothing even dubious is allowed for any branded name.

 

[BelleCanzuto]

But is it really mind control if it's voluntary bimbofication, anyway, that's the crux of the issue.

To my mind - yes.
Because (and forgive me if I'm misrepresenting this particular subgenre) my understanding of the bimbofication process is that the woman gets to a point where she's utterly dependent on a man to tell her what to do or how to act. So, even if she starts the process clear eyed, at some point she's going to lose the ability to consent.

Like someone with brain damage. A person can be perfectly heathly and completely capable of making his own decisions. Then he falls out a fifth floor window; he isn't killed, but has serious brain trauma. Now his memory is shot, he can't learn new information, he can't form his own judgments, he just goes along with whatever the last person who talked to him suggested. He has a few rote things he can do and a few rote responses to questions.

That's a guy who'd have a legally appointed guardian in no time, because he can't manage his own affairs anymore. He'd now be considered dependent on someone, even if physically he could still get up, get around, feed himself, go to the bathroom on his own, put on his own clothes, etc. He doesn't understand what's going on well enough to know whether he wants to have sex with someone or not. They suggest it; he lets them do it.

So, maybe voluntary bimbofication might not cross over to mind control, but it's certainly within the nonconsent realm.

imo.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

To my mind - yes.
Because (and forgive me if I'm misrepresenting this particular subgenre) my understanding of the bimbofication process is that the woman gets to a point where she's utterly dependent on a man to tell her what to do or how to act. So, even if she starts the process clear eyed, at some point she's going to lose the ability to consent.

Like someone with brain damage. A person can be perfectly heathly and completely capable of making his own decisions. Then he falls out a fifth floor window; he isn't killed, but has serious brain trauma. Now his memory is shot, he can't learn new information, he can't form his own judgments, he just goes along with whatever the last person who talked to him suggested. He has a few rote things he can do and a few rote responses to questions.

That's a guy who'd have a legally appointed guardian in no time, because he can't manage his own affairs anymore. He'd now be considered dependent on someone, even if physically he could still get up, get around, feed himself, go to the bathroom on his own, put on his own clothes, etc. He doesn't understand what's going on well enough to know whether he wants to have sex with someone or not. They suggest it; he lets them do it.

So, maybe voluntary bimbofication might not cross over to mind control, but it's certainly within the nonconsent realm.

imo.

Looks like Laurel shares your viewpoint, though I disagree myself. They rejected it again, saying, "Hello again! Yes, the rule also applies to consentual-nonconsent and dubious consent works featuring real life people or copyright characters. We hope you can find a good home for this story, and look forward to publishing more of you in the future!"

As to bimbofication, I can see your point, but perhaps because I didn't go for as radical a form of it, I didn't see it as non-consensual myself. Think of it like that guy from "The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind." The main character is just looking for a way out of her misery and latches onto this for a solution. A way out of depression, sadness, trauma, sexual hang-ups, overthinking, etc. She just wants to kick back and start having fun with life again.

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

Looks like Laurel shares your viewpoint, though I disagree myself. They rejected it again, saying, "Hello again! Yes, the rule also applies to consentual-nonconsent and dubious consent works featuring real life people or copyright characters. We hope you can find a good home for this story, and look forward to publishing more of you in the future!"

As to bimbofication, I can see your point, but perhaps because I didn't go for as radical a form of it, I didn't see it as non-consensual myself. Think of it like that guy from "The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind." The main character is just looking for a way out of her misery and latches onto this for a solution. A way out of depression, sadness, trauma, sexual hang-ups, overthinking, etc. She just wants to kick back and start having fun with life again.

Set aside the rules and legal ramifications and look at it as a straight ethical question. Would you be okay with someone publishing this story about your daughter/sister/friend? If you would not be okay with it, don't do it to someone else.

Anything else is, in my opinion, just testing what you can get away with. If anything, I think the site is pretty permissive in this area, and I don't understand why I keep seeing people run afoul of it. Why do you need to use a real person for the character? If you're capable of imagining a story line, you're capable of imagining a character, so that can't be the issue. Why does it matter for your story that this be based on a real person/celebrity?