Visa and PayPal

[PennLady]

This is a blog post including a letter from Visa, a response to an inquiry on the whole PayPal censorship matter. It's interesting, and as many of us suspected, Visa says they are not behind PayPal's actions.

http://www.bannedwriters.com/2012/0...is-is-not-our-doing-paypal-censorship-erotica

 

[lovecraft68]

This is a blog post including a letter from Visa, a response to an inquiry on the whole PayPal censorship matter. It's interesting, and as many of us suspected, Visa says they are not behind PayPal's actions.

http://www.bannedwriters.com/2012/0...is-is-not-our-doing-paypal-censorship-erotica

Thank you Pennlady.

Up until this point I was starting to wonder if the people I spoke to at Visa were just peon's who wee out of the loop. This is interesting.

Paypal legally is within their rights to do what they say they want to, but when you come in an an ambush like attack(giving virtually no notice to the publishers) and are now caught lying they lose all credibility.

 

[nomoretears00]

Glad you posted that, Penn. I've been watching for her to say something. Think I'm going to post the link in my blog.

 

[Darkniciad]

Glad you posted that, Penn. I've been watching for her to say something. Think I'm going to post the link in my blog.

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[nomoretears00]

Aw jeez, *laugh* guess I did it wrong. Thanks Dark.

 

[R. Richard]

Interesting that Visa never mentions incest.

 

[estragon]

Indeed a "sensible, erudite" statement.

 

[sr71plt]

Just more spam. The link got removed.

Think you need to readjust your radar for these things.

 

[lovecraft68]

Just more spam. The link got removed.

Think you need to readjust your radar for these things.

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What link are you talking about? The link in PL's post is still there>

 

[sr71plt]

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What link are you talking about? The link in PL's post is still there>

There originally was a "blog link" in dilei's post. Probably would not have been the greatest idea to click on it.

 

[PennLady]

There originally was a "blog link" in dilei's post. Probably would not have been the greatest idea to click on it.

When I see the post, that link in dilei's post is still there. However, it looked a lot like the link in the recent posts from "goodanna" so I figured clicking on it was not a good idea.

 

[lovecraft68]

Quick update, I e-mailed the link to banned writers to mark Coker and he now has it on his 3/11 site updates. He is hoping that some other institutions will chime in. If I were him I would make those calls myself.

What is very interesting is that Coker claims to have a letter from paypal citing their need to conform with the credit card companies policy for their reason to do this.

If he would publicly produce that letter, I wonder if Visa/MC would go after pay pal for misrepresentation, or something along those lines that's most likely no the right term.

But if I were them I certainly wouldn't like paypal, which technically is a competitor of theirs, slinging shit about me.

 

[PennLady]

Quick update, I e-mailed the link to banned writers to mark Coker and he now has it on his 3/11 site updates. He is hoping that some other institutions will chime in. If I were him I would make those calls myself.

What is very interesting is that Coker claims to have a letter from paypal citing their need to conform with the credit card companies policy for their reason to do this.

If he would publicly produce that letter, I wonder if Visa/MC would go after pay pal for misrepresentation, or something along those lines that's most likely no the right term.

But if I were them I certainly wouldn't like paypal, which technically is a competitor of theirs, slinging shit about me.

I'd love to see that letter as well. I have wanted to see something from PayPal this whole time and I haven't seen anything except a blog post and whatever people reproduced in their own blog posts.

I don't think PayPal is a competitor to the CC companies, exactly. PayPal doesn't provide or loan money, they are a middle man.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'd love to see that letter as well. I have wanted to see something from PayPal this whole time and I haven't seen anything except a blog post and whatever people reproduced in their own blog posts.

I don't think PayPal is a competitor to the CC companies, exactly. PayPal doesn't provide or loan money, they are a middle man.

Right, but they are a competitor in the sense of people who have PP accounts like I and the other e-bay sellers have, will use their PP card/account to pay for things because there is no interest. I barely ever use my CC's because I generally have a decent amount of money in PP so why run up a bill? so maybe not competition, maybe alternative is a better description.

This really is making them look bad. If they had come out and said its because of their charge backs and their policies and terms okay fine.

But to try to point the finger and now it appears bold face lie about other parties being involved puts them into a corner. Between that and the all out "ambush" they tried to put on the publishers with no notice they are looking sleazy and underhanded, which in fact they pretty much are.

 

[R. Richard]

It now appears that PayPal may be the source of the problem and not just an innocent bystander. PayPal works on carry of the money that they hold. The or comerce, the more money that PayPal holds. Incest stories were big money. I wonder what the incentive was for PayPal to cut off some of their business.

 

[sr71plt]

When I see the post, that link in dilei's post is still there. However, it looked a lot like the link in the recent posts from "goodanna" so I figured clicking on it was not a good idea.

The "goodanna" poster is reeling in a lot of business--especially over at the Story Feeback forum where I'd been getting so much flak about noting that the feedback was only supposed to be on stories actually posted to Literotica that I just let this come on to go to a URL off Literotica to post--again and again and again.

 

[PennLady]

Right, but they are a competitor in the sense of people who have PP accounts like I and the other e-bay sellers have, will use their PP card/account to pay for things because there is no interest. I barely ever use my CC's because I generally have a decent amount of money in PP so why run up a bill? so maybe not competition, maybe alternative is a better description.

This really is making them look bad. If they had come out and said its because of their charge backs and their policies and terms okay fine.

But to try to point the finger and now it appears bold face lie about other parties being involved puts them into a corner. Between that and the all out "ambush" they tried to put on the publishers with no notice they are looking sleazy and underhanded, which in fact they pretty much are.

I can see that but essentially, then, the CCs are competing for your own money. PayPal does not "give" you money, or loan it to you the way a CC company does. I don't think there's much the CCs can do, though, b/c your own money is always an alternative, whether it's spent via PayPal or a debit card or cash. Also, like I said, some people link their PayPal account to a credit card, so you'd think they'd want to encourage that.

I have to admit I'm kind of amazed PP does not seem to have made a public statement, like a press release, about this. I mean, this is a big change in business plus there's the public backlash, and so far all I've seen is that blog entry at PayPalBlog.

 

[lovecraft68]

I can see that but essentially, then, the CCs are competing for your own money. PayPal does not "give" you money, or loan it to you the way a CC company does. I don't think there's much the CCs can do, though, b/c your own money is always an alternative, whether it's spent via PayPal or a debit card or cash. Also, like I said, some people link their PayPal account to a credit card, so you'd think they'd want to encourage that.

I have to admit I'm kind of amazed PP dose not seem to have made a public statement, like a press release, about this. I mean, this is a big change in business plus there's the public backlash, and so far all I've seen is that blog entry at PayPalBlog.

I think they realize they have some serious egg on their face, are receiving bad press, and are now looking like they are lying about the CC companies. Methinks they are layng low and hoping this all goes away.

 

[lovecraft68]

The "goodanna" poster is reeling in a lot of business--especially over at the Story Feeback forum where I'd been getting so much flak about noting that the feedback was only supposed to be on stories actually posted to Literotica that I just let this come on to go to a URL off Literotica to post--again and again and again.

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