Viagra (sildenafil) usage

[LMWM321]

My husband has tried both with success but has felt all those side effects at times. We've found out that cutting them to smaller doses helps reduce those and with proper stimulation all works well.

Don't cut pils, unless there is a score line.

The active ingredient is not necessarily evenly distributed thoughout the tablet - you may think you're cutting it's potency in half, when in fact one half may have most of the active ingredient while the other half has little, or maybe none at all.

..It's much better to simply ask your doctor for a lower strength. Now if it's scored, then the med is meant to be cut, if directed by your physician.

 

[PrettyReckless_ILM]

Hello Gang! So I took a 10mg generic Cialis (tadalafil) last night just after dinner at a lovely restaurant. So far so good. We got home from the restaurant just as it was kicking in, and the wife and I had a good roll in the hay. This morning, I woke up, hardly any side effects at all. A very slight headache and a bit of acid indigestion, but nothing I couldn't ignore. Strange, because if you look at my previous comments in this thread, I've always had very bad side effects.

And finally, this morning I was very , very sensitive and responsive. It was a nice morning.

 

[irishblade]

I'm not a doctor.

Viagra and Cialis both work by directing blood flow to the penis. A doctor told me that this can lower the blood pressure elsewhere in the body, like the brain. Some people are sensitive to this and may become light-headed or pass out.

So, I caution you about taking these drugs 'recreationally'.

BTW, Viagra is eliminated from the system in 4-6 hours. Cialis hangs around for more than 20 hours.

But once you cum, it’s done, right? Like your erection likely goes away shortly thereafter?

 

[Lucien_Al]

But once you cum, it’s done, right? Like your erection likely goes away shortly thereafter?

In my case it doesn't take too much to get hard again. Definitely longer than it used to but with sufficient stimulation I can get hard enough to go for another round within an hour or 2.

 

[Britva415]

But once you cum, it’s done, right? Like your erection likely goes away shortly thereafter?

Everyone's different, but erection-enhancing medication is definitely going to increase the chances of staying hard for another go.

And even if it gets soft, one of the effects of Viagra (not sure about the others) is greatly decreased refractory period, so, as long as you remain interested in sex and not just rolling over and going to sleep, it will be much, much less time than normal before you can get it up again.

 

[irishblade]

Everyone's different, but erection-enhancing medication is definitely going to increase the chances of staying hard for another go.

And even if it gets soft, one of the effects of Viagra (not sure about the others) is greatly decreased refractory period, so, as long as you remain interested in sex and not just rolling over and going to sleep, it will be much, much less time than normal before you can get it up again.

Need to get me some of this just for fun haha

 

[Britva415]

Don't cut pils, unless there is a score line.

The active ingredient is not necessarily evenly distributed thoughout the tablet - you may think you're cutting it's potency in half, when in fact one half may have most of the active ingredient while the other half has little, or maybe none at all.

..It's much better to simply ask your doctor for a lower strength. Now if it's scored, then the med is meant to be cut, if directed by your physician.

Citation?

This seems hard to believe. That stuff is well and consistently mixed before it's pressed into pills, no matter what shape the pill is. It has to be evenly mixed, to ensure that each pill has the same dose.

The score line is for ensuring that the pill splits evenly, so that if you want half a dose, half a dose is what you'll get. It's a different issue from the medication only being in one half of the pill to begin with, but at least you can eyeball the pieces if they don't come out even and still have a good idea what dose you'll get.

 

[Britva415]

Need to get me some of this just for fun haha

it's so easy there's no excuse not to

 

[irishblade]

it's so easy there's no excuse not to

Just ask a doc or what?

 

[Britva415]

Just ask a doc or what?

Yeah. I mean, you do have to tell them you're unsatisfied with your hardness, you can't just say "I'm fine but I want it for fun anyway," but it really is that easy.

 

[irishblade]

Yeah. I mean, you do have to tell them you're unsatisfied with your hardness, you can't just say "I'm fine but I want it for fun anyway," but it really is that easy.

That much I knew (well, assumed) Lol

 

[StrongMaster7]

But once you cum, it’s done, right? Like your erection likely goes away shortly thereafter?

Yes, that has been my experience.

 

[LMWM321]

This seems hard to believe. That stuff is well and consistently mixed before it's pressed into pills, no matter what shape the pill is. It has to be evenly mixed, to ensure that each pill has the same dose.

I'm in the industry - I know of what I speak

The grains of active ingredient in a pill may be no larger than 1/100th of the size of the entire pill. The rest of its bulk comes from excipients like cellulose, lactose and magnesium. These "inactive" ingredients are used to bind the pill so it stays together AND to make it physically large enough to package and handle. And while it is true that each pill contains the same amount of active ingredients, it is NOT a certainty that they are evenly distributed throughout the pill. This is why many pills contain the warning, "Do not cut, crush or chew." Chewing or crushing pills can be bad because it may interfere with where it is absorbed - eg., in the stomach, rather than lower in the GI tract. These differences do matter.

If a pill has a score line, it is engineered to be cut, if it does not then it should not. Some Sildenafil pills DO have score lines, so they CAN be cut, but others (some generics) do not. ..That said, it's not a life sustaining med...it's probably not going to harm you to cut even those; but one half may perform differently than the the other.

EDIT: Another reason not to cut pills that do not have a score mark is that they may be engineered for time-release - ie., release metered amounts of medication over an extended time. By cutting such a pill you can worsen side effects while decreasing effectiveness.

...Need I go on?

 

[PrettyReckless_ILM]

I'm in the industry - I know of what I speak

All pills are of course visibly large, but the grains of active ingredient could possibly be no larger than 1/100 th the size of the pill. The rest of it's bulk comes from expedients that are used to bind the pill so it stays together - eg., cellulose, lactose, magnesium, etc.. So while it is true that each pill contains precisely the same amount of active ingredients, it is NOT a certainty that they are evenly distributed throughout the pill. This is why most pills contain the warning, "Do not cut or crush pill." Crushing pills can be bad because it may interfere with where it is absorbed - ie., in the stomach, rather than lower in the GI tract. These differences matter. This is why some pills should NEVER be chewed or crushed.

If a pill has a score line, it is engineered to be cut, if it does not then it should not. Some Sildenafil pills DO have score lines, so they CAN be cut, but others (some generics) do not so should not be. ..That said, it's not a life sustaining med...it's probably not going to harm you to cut even those; but one half may perform differently than the the other.

I didn't know that, thank you. The tadalafil I have has no score lines.

 

[Britva415]

while it is true that each pill contains the same amount of active ingredients, it is NOT a certainty that they are evenly distributed throughout the pill

If this is true, then how is it a certainty that any individual pill will have the same amount of active ingredients?

Is the stuff mixed per pill before it ever reaches the die of the pill press?

 

[asxymann68]

Viagara made me 18 again. I could go and go.

 

[LMWM321]

If this is true, then how is it a certainty that any individual pill will have the same amount of active ingredients?

Is the stuff mixed per pill before it ever reaches the die of the pill press?

You're imagining that the way pills are made is that the active ingredient is liquified then mixed with the excipients. ..Some are! But not all. ...Some pills are comprised of a few granules of the active ingredient that are then mixed with excipients.

Imagine a large baking company that makes Chocolate chip cookies. They can ensure that all cookies have precisely the same number of chocolate chips, but they can't ensure (or it's not cost-effective) that ALL chips are placed in precisely the same place with an equal amount of space between. So... cutting that cookie in half may result in more chips on one half than the other. But again, sildenafil is not a life or death medication, so cutting in half probably wouldn't harm someone. ..But it is entirely possible (probable, even) that one half will perform differently than the other.

I hope this helps.

 

[Britva415]

They can ensure that all cookies have precisely the same number of chocolate chips, but they can't ensure (or it's not cost-effective) that ALL chips are placed in precisely the same place with an equal amount of space between.

First of all I don't believe that. I don't believe that they can simultaneously not be able to control the distribution of chips in one cookie while also being able to control the exact number of chips in every cookie. Because cookie dough, even in a factory, is a mass which is portioned out. If the distribution within that mass is not uniform enough to have both sides of the cookie come out even, then the distribution among different cookies can't be uniform enough to have all the cookies come out even.

This is why I was asking "how." The above could only work if each cookie is mixed with chips individually.

Is that how it works?

 

[LMWM321]

First of all I don't believe that. I don't believe that they can simultaneously not be able to control the distribution of chips in one cookie while also being able to control the exact number of chips in every cookie. Because cookie dough, even in a factory, is a mass which is portioned out. If the distribution within that mass is not uniform enough to have both sides of the cookie come out even, then the distribution among different cookies can't be uniform enough to have all the cookies come out even.

This is why I was asking "how." The above could only work if each cookie is mixed with chips individually.

Is that how it works?

Well, I'm in the industry but I'm not a production or packaging engineer, so I guess I'll encourage you to google to learn more. ..But let me also add that the FDA won't allow a Pharma company to manufacture a split-able pill (ie., has a score-line) UNLESS it can prove that each pill half falls within strict potency tolerances. ..Not all can. ..Making a pill "split-able" adds expense; plus, a 1/2 dose may not meet efficacy thresholds.

Split-able pills are usually those where titration (going up or down in potency) is necessary to settle in on a dose that works for a patient yet minimizes side effects. A doctor might prescribe a 5mg tablet of some medication, or he might prescribe a 10mg tablet that has a score line, and tell the patient to cut it in half if the side-effects are intolerable - eg., stomach upset, headache, etc..

 

[Michael_Keaton]

I'm 75+ and I've been taking ED meds for ~20 years, starting with Viagra and now Cialis. When I started taking Viagra my md prescribed 100 mg tabs and suggested that since I was using it recreationally rather than as a necessity that I split them into 25's or 50's whichever worked for me. (100's were less expensive per mg). I did find that in cutting them that some pieces seemed to be more potent than others. The downside of that was that sometimes I didn't get the full effect, but the upside was that I knew what the other piece was going to do. I've now gone to Cialis which doesn't work as well for me but one of the side effects according to my md is that it slows the growth of the prostate.

 

[Sir_Timo_Volodok]

Well, I'm in the industry but I'm not a production or packaging engineer, so I guess I'll encourage you to google to learn more.

FWIW, since I shared my ADHD, I had to taper off a non-stimulant med last year (wasn't effective) and because of insurance company stupidity (sigh) I tried to cut a non-scored tablet. It was a disaster, for all the reasons that you're trying to share here, and I endured some pretty nasty withdrawal symptoms instead of the nice planned taper that my Doctor had envisioned. None were life threatening, just miserable, but in a different context (this particular med is used for more serious things than ADHD) they could have been life threatening.

This is no joke people. If a pill ain't scored you shouldn't be trying to cut it.

Conversely, if it is, go for it. My partner and I both have ambien scripts, 10mg, and those tablets (both oval and circular) are scored. We usually cut those to limit our individual doses to 5mg.

 

[LMWM321]

FWIW, since I shared my ADHD, I had to taper off a non-stimulant med last year (wasn't effective) and because of insurance company stupidity (sigh) I tried to cut a non-scored tablet. It was a disaster, for all the reasons that you're trying to share here, and I endured some pretty nasty withdrawal symptoms instead of the nice planned taper that my Doctor had envisioned. None were life threatening, just miserable, but in a different context (this particular med is used for more serious things than ADHD) they could have been life threatening.

This is no joke people. If a pill ain't scored you shouldn't be trying to cut it.

Conversely, if it is, go for it. My partner and I both have ambien scripts, 10mg, and those tablets (both oval and circular) are scored. We usually cut those to limit our individual doses to 5mg.

Yikes! Glad to hear you survived it … Yes, central nervous system meds are usually engineered to release slowly. When you cut it, It all dumped into your system at once causing blood concentration levels to go way high.

Let your story be a cautionary tale… If a pill isn’t scored… Don’t cut it.

 

[Sir_Timo_Volodok]

Yes, central nervous system meds are usually engineered to release slowly.

It wasn't a CNS med, it was off-label use of a blood pressure med whose name escapes me. Withdrawal raised my resting heart rate by 30 bpm and my blood pressure from normal (typically 125/70) to stage 2 hypertension (peaked at 150/110). Took months for my metabolism to reset to normal. Really sucked, wrecked my exercise regime and caused all manner of anxiety. What's funny/sad is it didn't do anything for the ADHD. Felt no side effects either, might as well have been sugar pills, until the time came to stop taking them...

The extended release ADHD meds cause their own problems for me, the big one being insomnia. After exhausting literally every other damn option I finally convinced my Doctor to put me on instant release meds and trust me to manage them properly.

Incidentally, those IR stimulant tablets are scored.

Never bothered to cut them, being IR they're easier to manage by taking (or not taking) a 2nd dose later in the day.

 

[OneEyedSteve]

So, took delivery today and tried it out. 25mg. Had an absolute blast. Initial response was slight buzz(similar to coming up on E) then an instant boner, which subsided after about 5 minutes. No noticeable side effects, but hard as a rock upon initiating sex with the wife. She noticed the difference (how hard I was and stayed). Took an hour after emptying the sack to be able to go again, but still hard as a rock. Thanks for all the advice, it worked a treat

 

[write_or_wrong]

Don't cut pils, unless there is a score line.

The active ingredient is not necessarily evenly distributed thoughout the tablet - you may think you're cutting it's potency in half, when in fact one half may have most of the active ingredient while the other half has little, or maybe none at all.

..It's much better to simply ask your doctor for a lower strength. Now if it's scored, then the med is meant to be cut, if directed by your physician.

Never knew that - thanks!