Very First Auto Workers Union In The Deep South!

[MajorRewrite]

These came about because the automakers were no longer a favored destination for executives, thanks to constant union angst.

Actions have consequences.

Haha. That’s a very stupid take. Congratulations.

So when the car companies dumped the losers who were driving them into the ground, how did they replace them with management that improved quality and design? I mean if the companies weren’t “a favored destination”, then they should only have been able to hire more morons.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Did you note the big demonstration for Trump by construction trade union members in Manhattan yesterday?

Ironic, wasn't it? Trump panders to the rich, and the lower classes march for him.

Reminiscent of Adolf und his Brownshirts.

 

[desecration]

So when the car companies dumped the losers who were driving them into the ground, how did they replace them with management that improved quality and design?

Did they? American cars seem to be mostly SUVs and mostly not that great. The old lines like the Ford and Chevy trucks seem alright.

 

[ishtat]

Did you note the big demonstration for Trump by construction trade union members in Manhattan yesterday?

Firstly it was not "Big." Secondly, Trump went out of his way to visit them after it was noticed that very few supporters turned up for Trump at the Courthouse. Different dynamic. I suspect that America is just over the whole Trump circus whatever their political opinions.

 

[lovecraft68]

More jobs for China!

That's eventually what it will lead to, and then these people doing this for better jobs will have no job.

 

[lovecraft68]

Firstly it was not "Big." Secondly, Trump went out of his way to visit them after it was noticed that very few supporters turned up for Trump at the Courthouse. Different dynamic. I suspect that America is just over the whole Trump circus whatever their political opinions.

Never change Ishtwat, never change.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Did they? American cars seem to be mostly SUVs and mostly not that great. The old lines like the Ford and Chevy trucks seem alright.

Ford, GM and Chrysler all made quality and design improvements in leaps and bounds after jettisoning the hapless management that cost them so much market share.

Even if they didn’t (they did), how do you explain the success of the factories of foreign vehicle manufacturers in the US? Americans build good products when they work for companies with good management and good engineering.

I know it kills you to admit it, but the industry’s problem has never been the factory workers. It was always management.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Unions were huge in the 1950s, then suddenly we had imports, and by the 1980s unions were dying.

This is a classic case of the market correcting a monopoly (unions).

CEO pay reflects ability. Most of what we are seeing is a lack of quality high-powered CEOs.

And then there's the clowns that Google, Microsoft, and Twitter have hired.

Japanese and German CEO's earn quite a bit less than American CEO's. Are you telling me that American cars are better than Japanese and German cars?

 

[Rightguide]

Firstly it was not "Big." Secondly, Trump went out of his way to visit them after it was noticed that very few supporters turned up for Trump at the Courthouse. Different dynamic. I suspect that America is just over the whole Trump circus whatever their political opinions.

It was a bigger crowd than Joe could attract. Yes they are over the Democrat circus and want him back in office.

 

[ll74]

It was a bigger crowd than Joe could attract. Yes they are over the Democrat circus and want him back in office.

Just a reminder: you can vote without attending a political rally of a candidate.

 

[MajorRewrite]

It was a bigger crowd than Joe could attract. Yes they are over the Democrat circus and want him back in office.

Legal note: “Circus” and “Clown Show” are registered trademarks of the Republican House of Representatives.

 

[Rightguide]

Legal note: “Circus” and “Clown Show” are registered trademarks of the Republican House of Representatives.

Nothing beats wino Nancy "Kente Cloth" Pelosi and her bartender AOC except except maybe gasbag Schiff and FangBang Swalwell.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Nothing beats wino Nancy "Kente Cloth" Pelosi and her bartender AOC except except maybe gasbag Schiff and FangBang Swalwell.

All of which seem to be highly electable if history is the lesson. Trump, he's running 50/50.

 

[ishtat]

The Chinese car market will hit 50% EV's this year. The sales of Toyota, formerly the market leader have nosedived as have Honda, Nissan and Mazda because they have no competitive EV offering. The Japanese are therefore in desperate trouble in the Worlds largest market. At least one of the Japanese manufacturers is close to its "Kodak" moment.

VW made last year, 44% of its world wide sales in China and 50% of its profits. Mercedes and BMW are similarly placed. EU Bureaucrats have been threatening China with Tariffs but these companies have all gone public to say 'No' to their moronic President, Ursula Von der Leyen. Not in such strife as the Japanese but the EU has to be careful not to upset the Chinese.

America is in the best position, because apart from Tesla they have largely already withdrawn from the China and East Asia . They also have their own cheap(ish) gas and a Federal government willing to flood their legacy industry with cash ( thanks to willing taxpayers) Their weakness is poor quality and very very expensive vehicles. Expect big post election job losses.

China could solve its current over supply of EV's by restricting imports from the EU, but that is unlikely because they want to sell their vehicles in Europe. They will probably let some of the lesser lights go broke and a few like BYD, Tesla, Geely, Volvo, MG and one or two others will benefit. The most vertically integrated companies will be the winners, BYD and Tesla being the most integrated. Musk may be despised in Detroit and Washington, by the legacy industry, politicians of all stripes, and Unions, but eventually, they will have to realize that they need Tesla to have a viable future.industry.

 

[butters]

bump

posted in the other thread, too, but it should be in both:

Sunday: Daimler and UAW reach tentative agreement affecting 7,000 workers in Daimler's North Carolina plant and their distribution centers in the South, averting a strike and with history-making components.

“I applaud the UAW and Daimler for reaching a tentative agreement for a record contract,” Biden said. “The UAW workers at Daimler are building the trucks and school buses of the future right here in America.”

UAW President Shawn Fain said the new contract includes wage increases of more than 25 percent over the next four years, including a 10 percent raise after the deal is ratified. Fain said the deal also includes the end of wage tiers at the company, as well as cost-of-living adjustments and “profit sharing for the first time in Daimler history.”

(in bold) that seems quite a thing, assuring the workers will be as keen to see the company making great profits as the owners

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...p&cvid=930b427bc9bb4e70ee14c3acbe7224ca&ei=40

 

[colddiesel]

bump

posted in the other thread, too, but it should be in both:

Sunday: Daimler and UAW reach tentative agreement affecting 7,000 workers in Daimler's North Carolina plant and their distribution centers in the South, averting a strike and with history-making components.

(in bold) that seems quite a thing, assuring the workers will be as keen to see the company making great profits as the owners

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...p&cvid=930b427bc9bb4e70ee14c3acbe7224ca&ei=40

Hmm Butters, the problem with this deal is that the company will have calculated that within 18 months they will have dropped at least 2000 employees and put the axe through their dealer/distribution network. The UAW has already lost 23,000 (12-13%) of its car industry membership in the wake of the 2023 "win." Joe Biden knows that the US auto industry is hopelessly un-competitive internationally, but he will be singing the praises of deals like this - at least until November. That will shore up votes from the manufacturing industries generally. Basically Biden is trying to sell himself as the protector of Manufacturing in the same way that Trump claimed to support the Coal industry. I hope that Biden has a Plan B post November, because I'm quite certain the other idiot doesn't.

Profit sharing is good for employees because more money, but cost effective for employers because firstly it discourages strikes, secondly, the surviving workers don't mind seeing their colleagues fired because that means the bonus 'pot is split between less workers.