Venezuela

[EternalFantasies]

So the Mooch takes all the media, and nobody cared about Venezuela.

What I found interesting in the press conference, the second reporter that asked a question, said: how does the administration find this any different than president Erdogan in turkey changing the constitution and making himself a dictator. His bodyguards beat protesters with their shoes outside the white house.

Why is the same move by Venezuelan president causing him sanctions and being called a dictator, while Erdogan did the same thing but was praised by the administration.

The General didn't answer him right, and quickly moved to pick another reporter not allowing him a follow up.

 

[Lancecastor]

Venezuela is such a beautiful country... it's too bad they cant keep the communists out each time the usa breaks up with them.

Same thing with Iran; another gorgeous place the usa has fucked over more than once.

Bad news for the Kennedys and Citgo execs in houston, too.

 

[zipman]

So the Mooch takes all the media, and nobody cared about Venezuela.

What I found interesting in the press conference, the second reporter that asked a question, said: how does the administration find this any different than president Erdogan in turkey changing the constitution and making himself a dictator. His bodyguards beat protesters with their shoes outside the white house.

Why is the same move by Venezuelan president causing him sanctions and being called a dictator, while Erdogan did the same thing but was praised by the administration.

The General didn't answer him right, and quickly moved to pick another reporter not allowing him a follow up.

Trump has business interests in Turkey.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Here's the WH response

https://youtu.be/NdwQzUNDchM?t=410

 

[Lancecastor]

Miss Venezuela has won the Trump Pussy Parade many times; you'd think all that sweet German/Spanish pussy would mean something to the President.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Wouldn't want an eye on Social Democracy now would we.....

 

[Ishmael]

So the Mooch takes all the media, and nobody cared about Venezuela.

What I found interesting in the press conference, the second reporter that asked a question, said: how does the administration find this any different than president Erdogan in turkey changing the constitution and making himself a dictator. His bodyguards beat protesters with their shoes outside the white house.

Why is the same move by Venezuelan president causing him sanctions and being called a dictator, while Erdogan did the same thing but was praised by the administration.

The General didn't answer him right, and quickly moved to pick another reporter not allowing him a follow up.

Let me start with a suggestion. Read a wider range of news and spend a little more time winnowing that content that more properly belongs on the editorial page from that which is real news.

That being said, relations between DC and Ankara are strained, very strained. The administration is maneuvering through that minefield as best they can. We absolutely have to have Turkey engaged in the efforts against ISIS and like organizations. On the other hand the Kurds are a large bone of contention WRT relations. We dare not destabilize Turkey and there are ample recent examples as to why that's a really bad idea. (Egypt, Libya, Syria, and you can throw in Iraq to boot.) So, at least for the time being we have to live with Erdogan.

Venezuela is a completely different problem. The little bus driver is driving a once prosperous and beautiful country into ruin. The people are without food or even the crudest of medical supplies. We have not embargoed anything that might be considered 'humanitarian' from that nation and Citgo (Venezuelan owned) is still pumping Venezuelan petroleum in the US. The Venezuelan crisis is one entirely of their own making. Putting the constitutional crisis aside for now, Maduro, and Chavez before him, have pissed away the nations wealth and now have nothing to show for it. The only people prospering in Venezuela are the lackeys Chavez and Maduro have given jobs in the oil industry and the Army. Further the stream of refugees out of Venezuela threaten to destabilize the Colombian government. A government that we spent decades in stabilizing and preventing from becoming a narco-state.

So while on a superficial level the circumstances have the appearance of being the same, they aren't........not even close. All in all I think the US, going all the way back to Bush, has shown remarkable restraint WRT Venezuela. How much longer is anyone's guess.

Ishmael

 

[Lancecastor]

The only stability venezuela has enjoyed in the past 50 years was when the cia and the us oil companies were in there.

You guys out to have more colonies, real ones... maybe a licensing deal...trump excels at that sort of thing...

 

[Ishmael]

The only stability venezuela has enjoyed in the past 50 years was when the cia and the us oil companies were in there.

You guys out to have more colonies, real ones... maybe a licensing deal...trump excels at that sort of thing...

While you have a point re. the oil companies, the CIA had little presence or interference in Venezuelan affairs. Going back to the 60's their interests were more focused in Central America, Chile, Peru, Argentina, and the Guiana's.

Re. the oil companies. Why is it that Venezuela, and others prospered with US partnership and have sunken into a financial shit hole without said partnership?

Quite frankly Lance you Canuck's have benefited from the US trained Venezuelan oil engineers that managed to flee that nation. They were trained in how to work with the 'heavy crude' you guys produce in your western fields.

Ishmael

 

[Lancecastor]

While you have a point re. the oil companies, the CIA had little presence or interference in Venezuelan affairs. Going back to the 60's their interests were more focused in Central America, Chile, Peru, Argentina, and the Guiana's.

Re. the oil companies. Why is it that Venezuela, and others prospered with US partnership and have sunken into a financial shit hole without said partnership?

Quite frankly Lance you Canuck's have benefited from the US trained Venezuelan oil engineers that managed to flee that nation. They were trained in how to work with the 'heavy crude' you guys produce in your western fields.

Ishmael

Like i said, venezuela does better when under the wing of the usa.

Same could be said of many countries the usa has let down in more recent times.

I say that not to be critical but to acknowledge the positive force the usa can have around the world.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Let me start with a suggestion. Read a wider range of news and spend a little more time winnowing that content that more properly belongs on the editorial page from that which is real news.

You are most kind. I shall endeavor in that direction.

You don't read my posts often, do you?

That being said, relations between DC and Ankara are strained, very strained. The administration is maneuvering through that minefield as best they can. We absolutely have to have Turkey engaged in the efforts against ISIS and like organizations. On the other hand the Kurds are a large bone of contention WRT relations. We dare not destabilize Turkey and there are ample recent examples as to why that's a really bad idea. (Egypt, Libya, Syria, and you can throw in Iraq to boot.) So, at least for the time being we have to live with Erdogan.

Venezuela is a completely different problem. The little bus driver is driving a once prosperous and beautiful country into ruin. The people are without food or even the crudest of medical supplies. We have not embargoed anything that might be considered 'humanitarian' from that nation and Citgo (Venezuelan owned) is still pumping Venezuelan petroleum in the US. The Venezuelan crisis is one entirely of their own making. Putting the constitutional crisis aside for now, Maduro, and Chavez before him, have pissed away the nations wealth and now have nothing to show for it. The only people prospering in Venezuela are the lackeys Chavez and Maduro have given jobs in the oil industry and the Army. Further the stream of refugees out of Venezuela threaten to destabilize the Colombian government. A government that we spent decades in stabilizing and preventing from becoming a narco-state.

I seem to have read enough to be in agreement with the above. I'll take one exception though, the relations with Turkey being strained are not the reason we turned a blind eye to Erdogan's move; rather a stable Turkey will avoid a NATO situation should shit hit the fan there. And that means a confrontation with Russia. No one wants that.

So while on a superficial level the circumstances have the appearance of being the same, they aren't........not even close. All in all I think the US, going all the way back to Bush, has shown remarkable restraint WRT Venezuela. How much longer is anyone's guess.

Ishmael

As far as the leftist thinking is concerned, it's black and white. Two moves of consolidation of powers, one supported, one scorned. The left is more Orthodox than the Pope on such contrasts.


I'm quite interested in what AJ would think of this black and white contrast.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Venezuela is such a beautiful country... it's too bad they cant keep the communists out each time the usa breaks up with them.

Same thing with Iran; another gorgeous place the usa has fucked over more than once.

Bad news for the Kennedys and Citgo execs in houston, too.

I used to like Chavez. Enjoyed his 2009 UN speech very much.

Today? I say kick the commies out!

Your shitty Commie Province taught me that. :caning:

 

[Ishmael]

You are most kind. I shall endeavor in that direction.

You don't read my posts often, do you?



I seem to have read enough to be in agreement with the above. I'll take one exception though, the relations with Turkey being strained are not the reason we turned a blind eye to Erdogan's move; rather a stable Turkey will avoid a NATO situation should shit hit the fan there. And that means a confrontation with Russia. No one wants that.



As far as the leftist thinking is concerned, it's black and white. Two moves of consolidation of powers, one supported, one scorned. The left is more Orthodox than the Pope on such contrasts.


I'm quite interested in what AJ would think of this black and white contrast.

Which is what I said, different words, same assessment.

Soon enough Erdogan, like the rest of us, will be gone. And the day may come when we'll have to deal with his successor's. But for now we need to maintain cordial, if strained, relations with Turkey, and do that while promoting the philosophy of Ataturk. I can't begin to emphasize how important that is.

Ishmael

 

[renard_ruse]

Erdogan has every right to clean out the anti-democratic scum who tried to overthrow his elected government.

I hope the US deep state pulls that crap here. Trump supporters will surround the White House and protect our elected leader.

As for Venezuela, not our country, not our problem, not our right to stick our nose in. They need to settle it among themselves.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

So the Mooch takes all the media, and nobody cared about Venezuela.

What I found interesting in the press conference, the second reporter that asked a question, said: how does the administration find this any different than president Erdogan in turkey changing the constitution and making himself a dictator. His bodyguards beat protesters with their shoes outside the white house.

Why is the same move by Venezuelan president causing him sanctions and being called a dictator, while Erdogan did the same thing but was praised by the administration.

The General didn't answer him right, and quickly moved to pick another reporter not allowing him a follow up.

Not entirely true. For some time now, once someone begins waxing eloquent of the beauties of Socialism, we've used Venezuela as the example. The only difference now is they have their Fidel, their Stalin, their lil' Kim, their pol pot...,

Because of NATO and the strategic position of Turkey and I don't remember him being praised. Plus the only sanction is a personal one. The economy is collapsed but we won't bring him down by cutting off the imports of Venezuelan heavy crude because it will "hurt the people." I'm with Dr. Krauthammer on this one, anything effective is going to hurt the people, but you have to be effective.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The Kurds are the real ticking time bomb in the region.

 

[Lancecastor]

I'm just thankful Jared's handling the middle east for the usa.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

He couldn't do any worse than the three war harpies, Jarrett, Clinton and Rice...

 

[Lancecastor]

He couldn't do any worse than the three war harpies, Jarrett, Clinton and Rice...

That's the spirit...true American spirit!

 

[jaF0]

I'll say it again ... we should have forced Eddie The Turd's plane down outside of Turkey when we had the chance and let the Coup succeed to avoid another Islamic terror state.

 

[jaF0]

And we should make Venezuela #51.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'll say it again ... we should have forced Eddie The Turd's plane down outside of Turkey when we had the chance and let the Coup succeed to avoid another Islamic terror state.

... We dare not destabilize Turkey and there are ample recent examples as to why that's a really bad idea. (Egypt, Libya, Syria, and you can throw in Iraq to boot.) So, at least for the time being we have to live with Erdogan.

...

Ishmael

 

[EternalFantasies]

It's funny how AJ reads Ishmael's posts in detail, but not mine.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I've known Ishmael a very long time and respect what he thinks about issues.


You, not so much. That's all...

 

[EternalFantasies]

I've known Ishmael a very long time and respect what he thinks about issues.


You, not so much. That's all...

Yet its funny how you repeated my words in your reply to me; which is why i suspect you didn't read mine fully.

That's all why it mattered to me AJ No one said you Americans have the true pulse of things. You just share similar backgrounds for grounds of common perception.

You're snarky AJ this morning, is it because you noticed the black and white question I posed for you above, which picked at a soft spot of yours, and you hate me for it?

And didn't address it as a consequence?