Use of implements (for lack of a betetr term)

[John Doe]

Use of implements (for lack of a better term)

This is one of the first threads I've started here, so I hope it's on the right board.

Anyway, tools, implements, instruments or what have you. I think depending on the tool, I'd prefer to try them on myself a little or have them tested on me first before I 'inflict' them on someone else, kind of like how they zap cops with Tazers before they're allowed to carry one (yet they don't shoot you before they give you a firearm oddly).

Just to know what it feels like, so as not to misuse it (or her, heh).

How's that grab ya?

 

[NemoAlia]

....I'd prefer to try them on myself a little or have them tested on me first before I 'inflict' them on someone else....

Yeah, when it comes to using implements properly, I prefer a Dom who's tried them on himself (or had them demonstrated on him) previously. Of course, the Dom probably didn't get the benefit of subspace, masochism, or loving attention during his/her trial run (so there's only so far that the comparison between the Dom's self-torture and my experience) but it's certainly worthwhile for a Dom to learn what s/he can about the submissive's perspective.

 

[John Doe]

Yeah, when it comes to using implements properly, I prefer a Dom who's tried them on himself (or had them demonstrated on him) previously. Of course, the Dom probably didn't get the benefit of subspace, masochism, or loving attention during his/her trial run (so there's only so far that the comparison between the Dom's self-torture and my experience) but it's certainly worthwhile for a Dom to learn what s/he can about the submissive's perspective.

Right, perspective, but mostly I was just thinking of the physical aspect in that to truly utilize an implement of that nature properly (i.e. effectively yet safely), one must know exactly how it feels in various ways.

Although I'm not really familiar with subspace except to say that it allows a starship to travel much faster than light by essentially doing an end-run around the rules of Einsteinian space-time. In subspace the power utilization curve is offset compared to normal space, so that you theoretically reach infinite power utilization long AFTER you reach light speed.

And that's where the Starfleet 'star' or chevron comes from. It's a comparison of the Einstein space-time power utilization curve (the taller symetrical arc) and the subspace curve ( the shorter asymetrical arc underneath).

I'm ravenously hungry. I was going to make tuna salad, but once I had the tuna opened and the onions sliced, only then did I realize I was out of mayonnaise, and I won't be able to get some for another few hours.

 

[Netzach]

This is one of the first threads I've started here, so I hope it's on the right board.

Anyway, tools, implements, instruments or what have you. I think depending on the tool, I'd prefer to try them on myself a little or have them tested on me first before I 'inflict' them on someone else, kind of like how they zap cops with Tazers before they're allowed to carry one (yet they don't shoot you before they give you a firearm oddly).

Just to know what it feels like, so as not to misuse it (or her, heh).

How's that grab ya?

I think this is one of those few "yes this is the only way to go" things.

Of course, you will always find people to vocally disagree with common sense.

I also have to admit that I have lapsed and done urethral play on others without having ANY plans whatsoever to let anyone do any on me outside a hospital.

 

[serijules]

Personally, I find the "tops much test a toy on themselves to see how it feels" thing to be rather silly, even if it is common sense *grins at Netz*

Everyone is different in how they process pain and sensation. Every persons body reacts differently to an implement. One person may smack a cane on their thigh, have a slight mark left behind and think "hrm, that wasn't so bad". The next person may smack their thigh with the same force and technique, have the cane leave a horrid bruise that lasts for days, and think "oh my god that is extreme!".

I had a partner that refused to use a certain paddle that I liked on me because it left his other partner's bottom raw and bruised and often caused blisters and even draw blood. She must have had very thin skin because I've had it used on me many other times and it doesn't affect me like that at all.

When I used to switch, I would test implements on myself just because it was the right thing to do, apparently. It gave me little insight into how that implement would affect my partner. I prefered plain old communication for that safety insight. Sometimes I wonder why people make things so complicated instead of simply communicating. "Im not comfortable with the marks that is leaving and the impact it is causing Ma'am." seems a lot more foolproof than smacking one's own thigh and thinking "ow, that hurts. I bet it hurts him too!"

I don't think it's a bad thing to do, it can't hurt...I just don't think it's necessary or that all cracked up to be.

Certain things I think fall more so into the common sense line, like testing the temperature of wax to make sure it doesn't burn skin, or checking over an implement to make sure there are no cracks or splinters or damage that may otherwise bring damage to the recipient. I just don't think actually feeling an implement as if you were the bottom brings quite that much insight. I've been bullwhipped by a friend that is absolutely amazingly skilled with it. I doubt he's ever been bullwhipped himself and he certainly can't USE it on himself. Doesn't make a whole lotta difference to me, his skill as both a top and a bullwhipper is sound regardless.

 

[WriterDom]

While you can't feel what the other person will feel, you can at least get an idea of the pain level of the tool and how it relates to other toys.

 

[serijules]

While you can't feel what the other person will feel, you can at least get an idea of the pain level of the tool and how it relates to other toys.

Sure...by your own pain standards. My point was, most people don't have the same standards for judging pain. I know I don't...implements that a lot of my friends consider severe I think are fluff toys.

Anyhow, I'm not saying it's a bad thing to do, I just don't think it's nearly as handy of a habit as people like to think.

Edited to Add: My reply there was a bit redundant. Sorry

 

[shy slave]

Mixed thoughts here.

I have always liked the idea of a Dom/Me having tried something on themselves before trying it on me, but sometimes the practicalities of how they do that make my mind turn cartwheels.

How do they use a whip or flogger on their own backside?

I also agree with seri, it wasn't something that crossed my mind as anything other than another theoretical point, until I met Andante.

I love nipple clamps, but hate clover clamps.
The first we first met he was looking at my toys and idly picked up a clover clamp put it on his own nipple, stared at it for a couple of seconds, took it off, put it back on, left it there again for a minute or so, finally took it off and shrugged.
He could have been using a feather on his skin for all his face changed.
I was shocked, my most hated thing and it caused him no reaction. I then realised that if I said something was too much in terms of pain, he would not understand the level I was at.

I underestimated him in terms of his ability to trust me, the differing levels have never been an issue.

On another occassion I wanted to see how a crop and cane worked. I used them on a pillow and spending time figuring out what type of movement caused what indentations and how deep. It was interesting and gave me a much better understanding of what was happening when he uses them on me.

He has tried out things on himself and me when we were out shopping for the day. I have no idea what goes on in his head at those times but his facial expression made it seem like it was no more an issue than trying on a new piece of clothing.
A natural thing to do before deciding to buy it or not.

Mentally it gives me reassurance that he has used things on himself, even though our pain levels are different.

Overall it gives me a certain sense of security.

As an add on, my ex never ever tried anything on himself and he would go too far, much too far sometimes.

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Relevent to outcome or not I personally think some submissives/slaves just LIKE the idea that a Dom/me has tried it on themselves purely from a "heh thats one he/she has felt as well" from a slightly rebelious 'place'............

I can think of several PYL (disclaimer :none that I was in service to ) I have known over the Years state they wouldn't use something they haven't tried themself . My thoughts have drifted to "yehhhhhhhhhhhh" with a hidden smile.

Re : Disclaimer
Ohh okay I fibbed there was one.

 

[WriterDom]

For me it's more curiosity I guess. Wondering what something feels like.

Fuck around with a single tail one afternoon and try to not hit yourself.

 

[serijules]

For me it's more curiosity I guess. Wondering what something feels like.

Fuck around with a single tail one afternoon and try to not hit yourself.

*snickers* I did that once. The dog trainer that works out of my business has a single tail, oddly enough. It's used in protection training to aggitate the dogs (the snapping in the air, etc...never used to actually hit, just to look/sound threatening so they respond accordingly as trained). Anyhow...I was playing with it and trying to hit the same spot on the wall over and over, and somehow the damn thing rebounded on me and smacked ME right smack on the boob, leaving a mark.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Sure...by your own pain standards. My point was, most people don't have the same standards for judging pain. I know I don't...implements that a lot of my friends consider severe I think are fluff toys.

Anyhow, I'm not saying it's a bad thing to do, I just don't think it's nearly as handy of a habit as people like to think.

Edited to Add: My reply there was a bit redundant. Sorry

You make good points serijules, and also there is the aspect of if they are trying it on themselves by their own hand or even under their instruction to whoever delivers it, there is going to be a huge difference in the way it feels simply because it never feels the same when you do something to yourself or know exactly when to expect something.

Catalina

 

[morsprofundis]

Ouch!

Whips that are snapped tend to hit the user from time to time.
Clyde Beatty, the lion tamer, went blind in one eye because of repeated backlashes(that's where the word comes from).
It's important to know what to expect when you apply an insturment for the first time.
Some whips and canes will split the skin open with a vigorous blow, yet, if used carefully, will leave few marks and draw no blood.
That's why I prefer my own braided nylon scourges(as noted elsewhere).
I do like a rod for feet, I have one made of octagonal plexiglass, about two feet long, but one must limit the travel and use a rapid rhythm to get a good result without injury.
And watch out for the Cold Steel Sjambok!
Looks neat, but a little too much geewhiz, and you leave a bloody stripe.
These things can be deadly weapons.
Ah, but a nylon pancake turner!
Whack, oh my God!

 

[FurryFury]

I agree that testing things on yourself isn't the same because it is coming from yourself and you do know when it's coming and your pain threshold is different.

However I personally would appreciate the sort of Dom/me that is curious enough about things and careful enough that they would try things out. That appeals to me a great deal. Perhaps because I like to experiment and I like to explore so much?

Fury

 

[morsprofundis]

The ultimate test

If you really want to find out what it feels like, you must have someone else use it on you.
Not your bottom, it's bad for disipline.
Safe words help you judge things, too-communication is important. like "OOh, that's too hard!" or, "Put some more weight behind it, you woos!"
I still like the pancake flipper, the nylon kind.
Stingy!

 

[Randy_Random]

They were out in the bacyk yard. LOL

 

[WyoD_S]

Sjambok's are pure evil... LOVE THEM

When I was in my 'apprenticeship', my mentor made a point of not giving me his blessing to use any toy that I had not felt myself. I think it was a valuable experience.

 

[Alt]

Yeah, when it comes to using implements properly, I prefer a Dom who's tried them on himself

Well, that kills the guillotine idea!

 

[morsprofundis]

Oh, well!

It's a great idea, but it'll only work once.

 

[FurryFury]

It's a great idea, but it'll only work once.

That depends on if your chopping a head off, a limb or something else. *smiles sweetly*

Fury

 

[morsprofundis]

Home Chopping Club

Amputation seems a bit extreme for sex play-intense but limited.
I've seen some canings that Idi Amin would have been proud of, but I think drawing blood is past the line, myself.
The Marquis de Sade, an ardent supporter of the revolution-which is how he kept his head and died in his sleep with his teenage mistress beside him-might think differently.
And who am I to dispute with de Sade?-but for myself, floggers, canes and rods are quite enough.

 

[crazybbwgirl]

I've never really thought about it. But I'm pretty sure the Dom's I have played with never tested the equipment on themselves first. I may be wrong - maybe I'll ask them...

 

[morsprofundis]

The Ouchmeter

You really should see how severe a new toy is before using it on a live bottom.
If your test whack results in bloody stripes, well, at least you know.
Someone replied on the sjambok-that needs a careful hand, those things can kill if used too vigorously-and I'd like to cut one down a bit to make it more practical for indoor use.
Just the thing for feet.