US-we are a conquering nation

[woody54]

So the gist of this thread is that a new US foreign policy is emerging where if you don't like how a country is being run, the US, deputy sherrif of the UN, will unilaterally move in, take control and impose their own brand of tyranny on the people.... for their own good of course.

Some of you people need to pull your heads out of Bush's ass and take a reality check.

 

[sufisaint]

So the gist of this thread is that a new US foreign policy is emerging where if you don't like how a country is being run, the US, deputy sherrif of the UN, will unilaterally move in, take control and impose their own brand of tyranny on the people.... for their own good of course.

Some of you people need to pull your heads out of Bush's ass and take a reality check.

No that was Bill Clinton's version...this is about oil and a ruthless dictator who presents a viable threat to the US and world economy.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

At least we don't make them use condoms any more.

 

[QuickDuck]

At least we don't make them use condoms any more.

lmao

 

[woody54]

No that was Bill Clinton's version...this is about oil and a ruthless dictator who presents a viable threat to the US and world economy.

A viable threat?? .... and that would be that those fucking Arabs don't deserve that oil and we should use it for them to keep the world economy stable.

Mind you, a good war is a great way to boost the money bags of the rich industrialists in the US so some of it may trickle down to you, but don't hold your breath.

 

[sufisaint]

A viable threat?? .... and that would be that those fucking Arabs don't deserve that oil and we should use it for them to keep the world economy stable.

Mind you, a good war is a great way to boost the money bags of the rich industrialists in the US so some of it may trickle down to you, but don't hold your breath.

Besides the ruling class, the average citizen of these countries do not share in wealth now....And to be honest, I would like to see the whole system go down on its own greed as we destroy the earth...I just need a few more years to stockpile, get my solar and wind turbine system up and have my daughter be a little older...hopefully a better world will emerge.

 

[Don K Dyck]

Re: Oh, and about the oil angle...

Wed January 22, 2003 12:34 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Secretary of State Colin Powell promised that a U.S. military occupation would hold Iraq's oilfields "in trust" for the Iraqi people.
In an interview with U.S. newspapers on Tuesday, released by the State Department on Wednesday, Powell said the Bush administration was studying different models for managing the Iraqi oil industry if the United States invades.

"If we are the occupying power, it will be held for the benefit of the Iraqi people and it will be operated for the benefit of the Iraqi people," he said.

"How will we operate it? How best to do that? We are studying different models. But the one thing I can assure you of is that it will be held in trust for the Iraqi people, to benefit the Iraqi people. That is a legal obligation that the occupying power will have," he added.

Powell said the U.S. military would not want to run Iraq for long after a possible invasion but he declined to speculate how long U.S. troops would stay in the country.

"There is no desire for the United States armed forces to remain in charge or to run a country for any length of time beyond that which is necessary to make sure that there is an appropriate form of government to take over from the initial military occupation," he said.

Thanks for the great post, LC . . . finally, the Dubyah Shrub is Administration is admitting to the American people what we in the free world outside the U$ knew all along . . . the U$-Iraq War is for Control of Undeveloped Middle East Oil Reserves now that continental America has been pumped dry . . . imperialism I think it is called . . .

This proposed Powell strategy has more holes than a fly screen door . . . the price will be marked down, the costs of administration will be marked up, the reparations for losing will be enormous, like occurred after WWI thanks to Colonel House who represented the U$ bankers . . . the pumping rate will be rapid . . . the possibility of an Iraqi petrochemical industry will be totally ignored . . . just more Administration BULL MANURE!!!

And after the U$ military "go home" . . . do you think that any self respecting Iraqi would support a U$ puppet government and "look after" the oil infra-structure . . . no way!! . . . rather, the U$ military are intending to be a full-time occupation force protecting the assets of the U$ oil corporations at the expense of the U$ taxpayers . . . there will be no post war development funded by the U$, just post war squalor as the Russians left East Germany . . . a much cheaper alternative . . .

The U$ economy spends about 20% of the GNP on armaments . . . this is more than the rest of the world put together . . . and the U$ "defence" industries hold over 90% of the world arms market . . . such a waste of resources for the benefit of the NE military-industrial complex who are the Establishment shareholders for the arms corporations . . .

Without covert CIA operations destabilising other nations the U$ economy would fail . . . quicker than it is now . . . Did you know that a recent article had 60% of Boeing aircraft manufacturing located in PR China??

 

[Problem Child]

Don, my reasons are better than your reasons and your abbreviations are still dopey.

 

[Don K Dyck]

No that was Bill Clinton's version...this is about oil and a ruthless dictator who presents a viable threat to the US and world economy.

Bull manure!! Sufi . . . it is about imperialism . . . Woody is correct . . . face reality . . .get your face out of Dubyah Shrub's anal passage . . .

"this is about oil and a ruthless dictator who presents a viable threat to the US and world economy."

Yes . . . I agree that the Dubyah Shrub policies are about Undeveloped Middle East "oil" Reserves and that Dubyah Shrub is a "ruthless dictator who presents a viable threat to the US and world economy" . . .

. . . and when the American students are drafted to protect to Iranian oilfield possessions of the U$ oil corporations in the following "Oil Dominoes War" . . . don't forget to buy a comfortable bodybag . . . you'll be in it for a long time . . . Wars kill people fairly indiscriminately, ask a Viet Vet . . .

 

[Don K Dyck]

Sure, there are lots of reasons.

1. We have no proof of violations and we haven't given the inspectors time enough to do a thorough job of finding whatever might be there.

2. If we get into a street fight in Baghdad we will take a lot of casualties. I don't think we'll lose, but more will die than in gulf I.

3. We don't invade sovereign nations without provocation. If we do this we will be tossing away a huge amount of international respect and undermining any moral authority we now have to tell other nations not to do the same thing.

4. A war in the middle-east, especially if it isn't very fast and bloodless will alienate our allies both in and out of the region.

5. If this war doesn't go well, Bush will lose tremendous support at home and become basically a lame duck president. Less will get done at home, and our economy needs help.

6. North Korea is rattling sabers again. I don't think the U.S. military is capable of waging two full scale wars, especially if they begin to go bad.

I agree PC . . . you have excelled yourself with your cogent, succinct explanation of the errors of Dubyah Shrub policies . . . well done!!

<The abbreviations, always the abbreviations . . . >

 

[Azwed]

Arguing with PC about military issues is like mining coal with your teeth.

You don't cover much ground and make yourself look like you are spewing shit.

 

[Problem Child]

Arguing with PC about military issues is like mining coal with your teeth.

You don't cover much ground and make yourself look like you are spewing shit.

If I was a little more narcissistic I'd use that for a sigline, but I think there are several here that know more about military matters than me, especially on a small unit/tactical level.

 

[QuickDuck]

I found this today.... it might be old and people have seen it before, but i liked it and wanted to share....

-----------
Bush's anthem... (sung to 'If you're Happy and you Know it')

If you cannot find Osama, bomb Iraq.
If the markets are a drama, bomb Iraq.
If the terrorists are frisky,
Pakistan is looking shifty,
North Korea is too risky,
Bomb Iraq.

If we have no allies with us, bomb Iraq.
If we think that someone's dissed us, bomb Iraq.
So to hell with the inspections,
Let's look tough for the elections,
Close your mind and take directions,
Bomb Iraq.

It's pre-emptive non-aggression, bomb Iraq.
To prevent this mass destruction, bomb Iraq.
They've got weapons we can't see,
And that's all the proof we need,
If they're not there, they must be there,
Bomb Iraq.

If you never were elected, bomb Iraq.
If your mood is quite dejected, bomb Iraq.
If you think Saddam's gone mad,
With the weapons that he had,
And he tried to kill your dad,
Bomb Iraq.

If corporate fraud is growin', bomb Iraq.
If your ties to it are showin', bomb Iraq.
If your politics are sleazy,
And hiding that ain't easy,
And your manhood's getting queasy,
Bomb Iraq.

Fall in line and follow orders, bomb Iraq.
For our might knows not our borders, bomb Iraq.
Disagree? We'll call it treason,
Let's make war not love this season,
Even if we have no reason,
Bomb Iraq.

 

[Azwed]

If I was a little more narcissistic I'd use that for a sigline, but I think there are several here that know more about military matters than me, especially on a small unit/tactical level.

Perhaps but you are still pretty far up their.

You have real practical experience as well something that many other people that sepculate, including myself, don't have.

I won't ever have that kind of experience because my knees and back are in too bad a shape now. All I can do is speculate based of theory.

 

[Problem Child]

Perhaps but you are still pretty far up their.

You have real practical experience as well something that many other people that sepculate, including myself, don't have.

I won't ever have that kind of experience because my knees and back are in too bad a shape now. All I can do is speculate based of theory.

Thank you, my friend.

 

[Azwed]

Thank you, my friend.

No problem.

 

[fgarvb1]

Re: Re: Oh, and about the oil angle...

Thanks for the great post, LC . . . finally, the Dubyah Shrub is Administration is admitting to the American people what we in the free world outside the U$ knew all along . . . the U$-Iraq War is for Control of Undeveloped Middle East Oil Reserves now that continental America has been pumped dry . . . imperialism I think it is called . . .

This proposed Powell strategy has more holes than a fly screen door . . . the price will be marked down, the costs of administration will be marked up, the reparations for losing will be enormous, like occurred after WWI thanks to Colonel House who represented the U$ bankers . . . the pumping rate will be rapid . . . the possibility of an Iraqi petrochemical industry will be totally ignored . . . just more Administration BULL MANURE!!!

And after the U$ military "go home" . . . do you think that any self respecting Iraqi would support a U$ puppet government and "look after" the oil infra-structure . . . no way!! . . . rather, the U$ military are intending to be a full-time occupation force protecting the assets of the U$ oil corporations at the expense of the U$ taxpayers . . . there will be no post war development funded by the U$, just post war squalor as the Russians left East Germany . . . a much cheaper alternative . . .

The U$ economy spends about 20% of the GNP on armaments . . . this is more than the rest of the world put together . . . and the U$ "defence" industries hold over 90% of the world arms market . . . such a waste of resources for the benefit of the NE military-industrial complex who are the Establishment shareholders for the arms corporations . . .

Without covert CIA operations destabilising other nations the U$ economy would fail . . . quicker than it is now . . . Did you know that a recent article had 60% of Boeing aircraft manufacturing located in PR China??

Pumped Dry My Ass! (that doesn't sound right!)

There is enough capped off gas and oil wells in texas alone to give the arabs a heart attack!)

As to why they were done this way for the last fifty years or so i could not say.

Producing oil wells also have been shut down and the pumping units removed and never put back.

Natural gas wells drilled and capped off were declared a dry hole because of to much gass pressure.

There is no links that i know of. This is from eyesite and talking to old people who see things happen and ask questions on the quite.

 

[QuickDuck]

Re: Re: Re: Oh, and about the oil angle...

There is no links that i know of. This is from eyesite and talking to old people who see things happen and ask questions on the quite.

often some of the best information available

/wave
QD



p.s no, it really didn't sound right

 

[Problem Child]

Re: Re: Re: Oh, and about the oil angle...

Pumped Dry My Ass! (that doesn't sound right!)

There is enough capped off gas and oil wells in texas alone to give the arabs a heart attack!)

As to why they were done this way for the last fifty years or so i could not say.

The price of oil, fgarv. It's cheaper to buy crude from the arabs and other countries than it is to pump it here in most cases. Some of them have dried up, but mostly they're only pumping the ones that are the most productive (i.e. the oil is easiest to get out of the ground and refine).

I think if the price of oil goes up drastically, you'll notice some of those wells go back into production.

 

[Weird Harold]

Re: Re: Re: Oh, and about the oil angle...

There is enough capped off gas and oil wells in texas alone to give the arabs a heart attack!

As to why they were done this way for the last fifty years or so i could not say.

It's called the "Strategic Oil Reserves."

The philosophy is to use other nations oil reserves in times of peace, and maintain our oil fields in reserve for times of war when access to imports is unreliable or restricted. I think it's something like 60% of US oil producing capacity is allocated to the Strategic Oil Reserves.

 

[Lost Cause]

Urban Legend........

According to the most recent figures regarding crude oil imports, only 31% of the USA's imports came from Arab OPEC countries (Algeria, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia) in January 2002. The top six countries (by percentage of total USA imports) supplying crude oil to the USA in January 2002 were:

Saudi Arabia: 16.9%
Mexico: 15.1%
Canada: 15.0%
Venezuela: 14.4%
Iraq: 11.4%
Nigeria: 5.9.%

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/...oleum_supply_monthly/current/txt/table_35.txt

 

[curious2c]

That explains why GWB is going to 'hold Iraqs oil fields in trust' then. heh heh

I 'trust' that there will be no innteruption of oil flow during this war.

 

[p_p_man]

Jesus PC...

Sure, there are lots of reasons.

1. We have no proof of violations and we haven't given the inspectors time enough to do a thorough job of finding whatever might be there.

2. If we get into a street fight in Baghdad we will take a lot of casualties. I don't think we'll lose, but more will die than in gulf I.

3. We don't invade sovereign nations without provocation. If we do this we will be tossing away a huge amount of international respect and undermining any moral authority we now have to tell other nations not to do the same thing.

4. A war in the middle-east, especially if it isn't very fast and bloodless will alienate our allies both in and out of the region.

5. If this war doesn't go well, Bush will lose tremendous support at home and become basically a lame duck president. Less will get done at home, and our economy needs help.

6. North Korea is rattling sabers again. I don't think the U.S. military is capable of waging two full scale wars, especially if they begin to go bad.

Just when I'm thinking of lobbing a personal ICBM in your general direction, you write a post like this...

I agree with everything you say...

ppman

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Oh, and about the oil angle...

This proposed Powell strategy has more holes than a fly screen door . . .

Not least that Bush's mob already see themselves as the occupying power...

I dunno why Oz and the UK are going to the party...

We'll only be shown the door when it's all over...

ppman

 

[Lost Cause]

Another "mother of all battles?"

Like in '91, I sense a Deja Vu.........


>Regarding indications of dissent in Baghdad, "there are some indications about unrest in some of the Iraqi leadership, but just hints," said Gen. Myers.
"We know, I think, that the regime has taken measures to enforce loyalty extra measures by populating some of the major [military] units with people they consider loyal," he said.
Still, there are no signs that the Iraqi military "isn't responding to orders," said Gen. Myers.
A U.S. official said later that Iraq recently stepped up the "infiltration" of Iraqi military units by two security organizations that check the loyalty of military forces: the General Directorate of Military Intelligence and the Special Security Organization.
"There have been reports that members of the army who retreat or surrender would be killed," the U.S. official said. "That applies to both regular army and Republican Guard troops." The Republican Guard is considered an elite Iraqi force because it is better equipped than regular army forces.<

*Snipped from washington times.