US Supreme Court won't hear appeal of Ebenezer Scrooge Law

[BoyNextDoor]

The Supreme Court refused Monday to consider whether state and local governments can make it a crime for homeless people to sleep outside.

The justices won't hear a case from Boise, Idaho, that posed nationwide ramifications for cities with large numbers of homeless people living on the streets.

The court's refusal to take up the issue is a setback to some states and cities with burgeoning homelessness. They wanted a federal appeals court ruling overturned, allowing them to prosecute people who sleep on streets when they claim shelter beds are unavailable. Boise appealed the ruling, hoping to enforce its ban on camping in public.


Scrooge is alive and well in the hearts of many. I wonder how many meals and beads would have ben provided for the cost of taking this lunacy to the supreme court?

"At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge, ... it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."
"Are there no prisons?"
"Plenty of prisons..."
"And the Union workhouses." demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
"Both very busy, sir..."
"Those who are badly off must go there."
"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
"If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

 

[BotanyBoy]

Boise doesn't want to turn into a shit hole like LA, SanFrantoilet, Portland and Seattle? How DARE they!!!

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SxCiywqMzWA/hqdefault.jpg


Next you know BND will be in here calling the Boise police jackbooted thugs for arresting innocent poor people for engaging in grassroots wealth redistribution (what normal people call robbery and theft.) of less than 5,000 dollars.

SOOOOOOOO FASCIST!!!!

LOL....how dare Boise tell degenerates to fuck off to where they belong, like Portland and San Francisco.

 

[SpeareChucker]

You make your city attractive to the homeless, the drug addicted and the mentally ill
(not to mention undocumented citizens)
then you are going to get the homeless, the drug addicted and the mentally ill
camping on your sidewalks, in your alleys, in the parks where your children
used to play as well as any abandoned or unattended structure, under bridges...,


These Democrat enclaves of self-smug superiority created these conditions
based upon their view of humanitarian treatment of the above mentioned groups.
This is a problem they created, they need to solve and the don't have a leg to stand on
in asking the SCOTUS to correct the problem by forcing it upon the entirety of the nation.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Here's a solution for those communities and states who have put themselves under siege -
try voting for the other party for a while bcause the Democrats in your stat/city/municipality
are being controlled by avowed Socialists and NYMBY SJWs...

 

[KeithD]

You make your city attractive to the homeless, the drug addicted and the mentally ill
(not to mention undocumented citizens)
then you are going to get the homeless, the drug addicted and the mentally ill
camping on your sidewalks, in your alleys, in the parks where your children
used to play as well as any abandoned or unattended structure, under bridges...,


These Democrat enclaves of self-smug superiority created these conditions
based upon their view of humanitarian treatment of the above mentioned groups.
This is a problem they created, they need to solve and the don't have a leg to stand on
in asking the SCOTUS to correct the problem by forcing it upon the entirety of the nation.

Government is responsible for minimizing homelessness--and the underlying reasons for it. The government is under Republican control and the Senate has a huge pile up of business passed through the House that it isn't taking up--because of the Republicans. Right at the moment, this is a Republican issue, so you can take your blaming of Democrats for it and shove it up where the sun don't shine, Bubba.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Local government created the problem.
It is the problem of local government.
Just because their beautiful dreams
blew up in their faces does not mean
that communities such as mine need
to be coerced into being the solution.

 

[SpeareChucker]

The House is under Democrat control
(as well as the bureaucracy) and surprise!
the homeless is not one of their priorities...

 

[juttjaw]

OK, so the mighty republican bans all sleeping outdoors. So? There are still homeless people. Even if you make homelessness illegal and ban them from your city, what next? They are still homeless. Would we round them all up and throw them in our overcrowded and underfunded prisons? Certainly not build more places for them to go. Take care of their drug addiction or mental illness? Sccop them up in a big net and drop them into a valcano?? That just might fix it.

 

[RobDownSouth]

To the surprise of no one, the "professional slackers" on this board (BotBo and AJ, who rely upon the federal government and his long suffering worksquaw respectively for a roof over their heads) are the biggest cheerleaders for this law.

Both would be sleeping on the sidewalk absent the generosity of others.

 

[KeithD]

The House is under Democrat control
(as well as the bureaucracy) and surprise!
the homeless is not one of their priorities...

The House has passed over 250 government-sustaining bills this term that sit on McConnell's (Republican) desk unprocessed there. You have no point. The Republican Senate has done nothing about anything other than standing behind a corrupt, criminal, narcissistic, crazy, bullying, treasonous president. Both Senate and House were Republican controlled for nearly all of the last 38 years, and they did nothing about homelessness, immigration, or practically anything else. So, your charge isn't worth shit. Take that and stick it where the sun don't shine, Bubba.

 

[jaF0]

Hmmmmm,


Let'em sleep where they will. Costs generally nothing but some street sweeping and trash hauling.

Lock'em up. Costs housing, food, medical, education, administration (boot wearing skull crunchers), legal fees ......


Decisions, decisions ......

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

Government is responsible for minimizing homelessness--and the underlying reasons for it. The government is under Republican control ... so you can take your blaming of Democrats for it and shove it up where the sun don't shine, Bubba.

Err...Housing is a local issue. California in general and SF, LA in particular have terrible homeless problems. They also have been under reliable democratic control for a long time. CA residents are all for helping out the poor until someone wants to actually build housing.

 

[KeithD]

Err...Housing is a local issue. California in general and SF, LA in particular have terrible homeless problems. They also have been under reliable democratic control for a long time. CA residents are all for helping out the poor until someone wants to actually build housing.

It wasn't a local issue when Bush the Lesser managed to get many of the mental institutions and mental health programs closed down and the people turned out into the street. There's no reason in a society why it should be considered solely a local issue. That's just avoidance of responsibility for a nation's people.

 

[SpeareChucker]

OK, so the mighty republican bans all sleeping outdoors. So? There are still homeless people. Even if you make homelessness illegal and ban them from your city, what next? They are still homeless. Would we round them all up and throw them in our overcrowded and underfunded prisons? Certainly not build more places for them to go. Take care of their drug addiction or mental illness? Sccop them up in a big net and drop them into a valcano?? That just might fix it.

When we catch them using drugs. Yes.
This way you have a chance of getting them into rehab.
When you catch them crapping on the streets. Yes.
This is a pure sanitary issue to protect the public from epidemic.
When you discover that they have mental issues. Put them in an institution.
Oh wait, the ACLU and Liberals don't like that. Civil rights are being violated.
You have the right to wander the streets without having to suffer mental health treatment.
When you find out that they are underage runaways. Yes, you have to get them into
some sort of home or institution to get the the help and support they need.
This cuts down on their being abused by the sex industry.
If they are ex-military, similarly, you do everything you can to get them help.

What you don't do is put yourself on a pedestal, lament, oh me-oh, oh my-oh
whatever can be done? Those people need our compassion and you
must be forced to show the same sort of compassion that leads to
shit and needles on the sidewalks of your town...

 

[jaF0]

Ya'know, there's a few mothballed military bases lurking about, complete with dormitories and other housing and support buildings.

 

[SpeareChucker]

The House has passed over 250 government-sustaining bills this term that sit on McConnell's (Republican) desk unprocessed there. You have no point. The Republican Senate has done nothing about anything other than standing behind a corrupt, criminal, narcissistic, crazy, bullying, treasonous president. Both Senate and House were Republican controlled for nearly all of the last 38 years, and they did nothing about homelessness, immigration, or practically anything else. So, your charge isn't worth shit. Take that and stick it where the sun don't shine, Bubba.

Oh holy fuck...

That's just finger-pointing.
The art of politics is the art of the doable
not the stand that it's your way or the highway.
Most of these bills that you are continually citing never stood a chance of passage
and the Hose Democrat knew that because they were political ads just so y'all could claim
DO-nothing Senate because they knew that aside from impeachment
they were going to be a do-nothing House, but they needed a fall guy
because they want to run on dysfunctional DC and why they should have the Senate too.

It's the body that is protecting us from the AOC Congress
because Allah only knows, if it hits his desk Trump,
the man you hate, will sign it and take credit for it.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Ya'know, there's a few mothballed military bases lurking about, complete with dormitories and other housing and support buildings.

Then AOC would show up and complain about substandard housing
and the ACLU would be right there shouting AMEN SISTER! TESTIFY!

 

[SpeareChucker]

It wasn't a local issue when Bush the Lesser managed to get many of the mental institutions and mental health programs closed down and the people turned out into the street. There's no reason in a society why it should be considered solely a local issue. That's just avoidance of responsibility for a nation's people.

You need to reexamine who forced his hand.

 

[SpeareChucker]

PS - The movement to close down mental institutions predates President Bush.

 

[jaF0]

^^^ Ronnie RayGun, or was it his pal Bonzo?

 

[badbabysitter]

When we catch them using drugs. Yes.
This way you have a chance of getting them into rehab.

You would need to spemd taxpayer dollars on that

When you catch them crapping on the streets. Yes.
This is a pure sanitary issue to protect the public from epidemic.

Taxes

When you discover that they have mental issues. Put them in an institution.

More taxes

Oh wait, the ACLU and Liberals don't like that. Civil rights are being violated.
You have the right to wander the streets without having to suffer mental health treatment.


Or you could raise a tax to pay for rehab and institutions

When you find out that they are underage runaways. Yes, you have to get them into
some sort of home or institution to get the the help and support they need.
This cuts down on their being abused by the sex industry.

Moooooorrrreee taxes

If they are ex-military, similarly, you do everything you can to get them help.

Ahem, taxes

What you don't do is put yourself on a pedestal, lament, oh me-oh, oh my-oh
whatever can be done? Those people need our compassion and you
must be forced to show the same sort of compassion that leads to
shit and needles on the sidewalks of your town...

Because you're offering solutions you're not willing to follow through with

 

[SpeareChucker]

Those are all things we do here.
Yes, we pay taxes but the churches, charities and community also contribute.

That's the difference.
The people suing us, in effect, are those who spit on the church
trust only charities that are political "Foundations"
and then demand other people's money
to solve problems they created
with altruistic ideal...

Remember, It Takes a Village.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Those are all things we do here.
Yes, we pay taxes but the churches, charities and community also contribute.

That's the difference.
The people suing us, in effect, are those who spit on the church
trust only charities that are political "Foundations"
and then demand other people's money
to solve problems they created
with altruistic ideal...

Remember, It Takes a Village.

I love how she says "Taxes!!" as though you're some kind of anarchist as well as some sort of excuse to make Boise into the same kinda degenerate shit hole big blue cities have become.

 

[SpeareChucker]

As I posited earlier, we crack down on the homeless,
they tolerate them because of their superior attitudes towards the down and out
and then they get pissed when the hands out for handouts gravitate towards their sanctuaries
and their solution is not to crack down on the homeless too
but to make it illegal for anyone else act in a sane
and rational manner when dealing with the
aforementioned problems:

Mental illness
Shiftlessness
Runaways
Drug use
.
.
.

 

[bellisarius]

We have a mounting problem here ever since a SJW was elected mayor. The problem was here prior to the election but the numbers have doubled since his new "policies" were put into effect. As usual there is a beneficial side effect to all of this. I friend of mine owns and operates a security firm. They just signed a contract with a fairly large burger chain to put armed security people in every one of the stores. His business is booming so to speak. Of course this is going to have an impact on pricing.

The homeless won't stay in the shelters. It doesn't matter if they're charitable operations or state/city. None of them allow alcohol or drugs on the premises so except during the very worst of weather condition they aren't going to stay there. So the state/city spend millions of dollars constructing shelters that go unused. Wasteful monuments that the "caring crowd" can point to with pride.

The greater majority of the homeless need to be forcefully institutionalized for treatment if there's to be any hope of getting them off the street. But the ACLU made damn sure that that isn't going to happen. So instead of a short term treatment program with some hope of turning these people around we are stuck with a perpetual drain on resources. Deaths of a thousand cuts while the potholes keep getting bigger.