Urgent Plea: Americans, Leave Ukraine within 48 hrs, Threat Imminent

[butters]

US urging any Americans who can to leave asap, after information from various sources appearing to confirm putin's communicated his decision to invade the Ukraine to his military.

Sullivan said he wants to be “crystal clear on this point. Any American in Ukraine should leave as soon as possible” telling Americans not to wait, but to leave in the “next 24 to 48 hours.”
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“If you stay, you are assuming risk with no guarantee that there will be any other opportunity to leave and no prospect of a U.S. Military evacuation in the event of a Russian invasion. If a Russian attack on Ukraine proceeds, likely to begin with aerial bombing and missile attacks, kill civilians without regard to nationality,” Sullivan warned.
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PBS’s Affairs and Defense Correspondent Nick Schifrin reported on Friday, “The US believes Russian President Vladimir Putin has decided to invade Ukraine, and has communicated that decision to the Russian military, three Western and defense officials tell me.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...ow-immediate/ar-AATKfTB?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

 

[mayfly13]

Apparently Putin is really bad internally
(Russians' quality of living is probably among the lowest in the former EE block, and if they don't like your business, they give you 24 hours to sell it to them...)

but he seems to be an excellent strategist.
Let's not forget that this was in response to Ukraine pushing hard in December to be a EU/NATO member. And his collaboration with China was genial.


What's your opinion, LupusDei?

 

[Dribble]

I have the same sympathy for them as I had for Americans in Afghanistan...they have had plenty of warning to leave. You too stupid to leave...not our problem

 

[KeithD]

To be fair, most involved, as in Afghanistan, are in mixed citizenship families and it isn't a simple or easy decision to leave a mother or son behind.

What that doesn't mean is that there's any justification for the Trumpettes' shameful hectoring on this on "abandonment" either here or Afghanistan. These same Trumpettes hypocritically hammer away at individual rights of citizens to do whatever they want. Well, leaving or staying in Ukraine is an individual decision, as it was in Afghanistan. The U.S. government has provided timely realistic guidance on what it can do about a decision to stay there.

 

[LupusDei]

I say, this is an interesting act in the ongoing play. The risks are real, but I tend to agree with Ukrainians that say they aren't actually changed, at least since December if you like. The script now demands anti-Russian anti-war street protests in Western capitals.

 

[butters]

To be fair, most involved, as in Afghanistan, are in mixed citizenship families and it isn't a simple or easy decision to leave a mother or son behind.

What that doesn't mean is that there's any justification for the Trumpettes' shameful hectoring on this on "abandonment" either here or Afghanistan. These same Trumpettes hypocritically hammer away at individual rights of citizens to do whatever they want. Well, leaving or staying in Ukraine is an individual decision, as it was in Afghanistan. The U.S. government has provided timely realistic guidance on what it can do about a decision to stay there.

mother, son, father, daughter, partner... indeed. And in this instance it's not about trying to evacuate people during a twenty-year old war that's coming to a head as President Biden withdraws American forces from it. This comes at a time when America and her allies have been busy trying to PREVENT a war, and their messaging is clear: "There's no guarantee we can get you out if you stay". Realism.

I say, this is an interesting act in the ongoing play. The risks are real, but I tend to agree with Ukrainians that say they aren't actually changed, at least since December if you like. The script now demands anti-Russian anti-war street protests in Western capitals.

yes, and probably why the Ukraine leaders are urging calm; violent protests right now would play directly into that scenario... so much so there's a whole room full of talk about Russia staging a false-flag operation so they can blame the Ukraine for inciting violence against Russia, giving them the excuse to invade.

 

[LupusDei]

yes, and probably why the Ukraine leaders are urging calm; violent protests right now would play directly into that scenario... so much so there's a whole room full of talk about Russia staging a false-flag operation so they can blame the Ukraine for inciting violence against Russia, giving them the excuse to invade.

That too, yes.

But perhaps my gallop was too abrupt, I'm playing with the narrative, as Lavrov said, this all being propaganda campaign waged by U.S. So, if all those diplomats leaving and warnings to citizens issued is all just a conspirator play to make Russia look bad, what's next? Take it public of course, wave some flags and signs on the streets. So I say, let's do it! #SayNoToPutin

 

[pecksniff]

I say, this is an interesting act in the ongoing play. The risks are real, but I tend to agree with Ukrainians that say they aren't actually changed, at least since December if you like. The script now demands anti-Russian anti-war street protests in Western capitals.

Whose script? The Russians'?

 

[LupusDei]

Whose script? The Russians'?

No, the overall play. It seems everyone now is going for escalation, just in different ways. Someone seems to think international pressure still may effect Russian decisions. Who likely calculated everyone's busy with other shit and won't even notice. So while the imminent attack hysteria is hurting Ukraine it makes sense to keep the line to the end and do show that everyone indeed noticed.

 

[butters]

In a message Zelensky posted on social media, the Ukrainian president said his administration has been informed that his country will be attacked on Wednesday, Feb. 16.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...-attack-on-wednesday/ar-AATQrXb?ocid=msedgntp

 

[pecksniff]

So, have the Americans left Ukraine yet?

 

[butters]

So, have the Americans left Ukraine yet?

some already have, some are in the process of doing so, others will choose to remain or will have left it till late in the day and will experience difficulties in getting out. do i have stats? no. it's a very fluid situation; now Zelenski has confirmed the imminent attack rather than preaching wait&see, it will no doubt spur those who were unsure of whether to leave. An article I read some weeks back had most people they spoke with prepared to leave if necessary, packed and with plans set out. Here's hoping they get out of harm's way asap.

the US is moving its Ukraine embassy operations out of Kyiv in response to a buildup of Russian armed forces.

(from link i posted above yours)

https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand...y-is-expecting-russia-to-attack-on-wednesday/

 

[butters]

Ukraine holds Day of Unity, Zelensky reviews troops & warns 'this isn't 2014. It's 2022'.

Ukriane's Zelenskyy addresses nation on 'unity day'
Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy address his nation Wednesday after inspecting military exercises in northern Ukraine to mark the new "Unity Day" holiday he created this week in response to U.S. warnings Russia could begin an invasion as early as Feb. 16.

Zelenskyy declared that Ukraine is not afraid and no longer in 2014, when Russia annexed Crimea, suggesting Ukraine is ready to defend itself this time.

"We are not frightened by threats or predictions, or dates of the coming doomsday. Be it the 16th or 17th. February or April or November. What really matters is the year, and it's 2022 now, not 2014," he said.

"We're strong because we are united, we're calm in our togetherness, and it's an honor and privilege for me to be a president of such a state," Zelenskyy added.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...den-s-speech/ar-AATRYFy?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531




russians buzzing american aircraft in international waters, coming as close as 5' in one instance

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...entagon-says/ar-AATWMQ1?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

 

[Rotadom]

https://i.imgur.com/mmkzWXQ.png?1

 

[butters]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/c...a_troop_positions_17feb_2x640map-nc-2x-nc.png

map of russian troop positioning, including regular bases, exercises, and new troops brought into force.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56720589

 

[Philthy_Phil]

https://i.redd.it/v3dcfu2n2qi81.jpg

 

[oggbashan]

No evidence of Russian withdrawal at present.

Putin is warning Russians to expect war.

 

[butters]

and so it begins

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...mobilization/ar-AAU3XRz?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

Russian-backed separatist leaders declare full military mobilization
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Tensions continued to mount in the east of Ukraine on Saturday after reports of increased shelling in the region overnight. Russia said it was opening an investigation into Russian media reports that a Ukrainian shell exploded near its border, amid U.S. warnings that the Kremlin could stage a violent incident as a pretext for invasion.

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...ers-eset-researchers/ar-AAUdKV1?ocid=msedgntp

no doubt russian or on russia's behalf. the malware is likely to have been in place some time, waiting for the right moment to be activated

 

[pecksniff]

I'm wondering if the point of all this saber-rattling is so Putin can officially annex those two breakaway provinces he effectively controls already, while the world heaves a sigh of relief that it all came to nothing worse.