Uranium One

[DrDelirium]

What I am saying is that this whole thing isn't logical. There were nine agencies plus the president involved in this. Plus the Canadians. It was signed off on by all departments. The right has been rabidly focused on the Clintons (and Obama) for years and do you know what's been dug up? That Bill got a blow job in the white house. That's pretty much the biggest scandal that's been found in over 20 years.

This stupid shiny object distraction has been played out over and over again. Benghazi, email, uranium and ad nauseum. And it's always just a stupid distraction from the real bullshit that is going on.

But it's always easy to try to blame the Clintons or scandal monger or appeal to the lowest common denominator to try to drum up this selective poutrage. It's old and it's tedious. It's the boy who continually cries wolf but there are no good intentions. Just more faux scandals and more distraction and more nothing.

China holds 30% of US public debt.

Saudi Arabia owns almost $125 billion of US property assets.

Trump himself has been linked to at least $20 billion in money laundering through Russia.

Yet here we are again, with the armchair politicians and diplomats that are so sure of what they think they know that we get to have another nothingburger scandal dredged up into the public discourse.

It's to the point that you guys could claim that Clinton is eating babies and I don't know if I'd give three shits because we've done this so many damn times before. And especially given the fact that nine departments, one president and two countries had to sign off on this deal... from what I figure you guys know about as much that fits into a thimble about this and are just using this type of bullshit to once again try to pin the scandal on the Clinton.

And over and over again, ya'll are the ones that have ended up being the jackasses. But we as a country get to pay for your buffoonery. So knock off with the faux scandals until there is anything -IF there is ever anything - we might listen.

If you guys haven't numbed us with fake scandal burnout.

Your reply is non-responsive. And, I am not a conservative or a right winger. You are so caught up in your own tribalism that you reflexively assign your simplistic categories to anyone that doesn't agree with you.

I happen to think that corrupt politicians of any flavor should go to jail. I don't believe that their corruption ceases to matter once they are out of office. If the Clintons go to jail because of their corruption, it makes it that much more likely that corrupt Republicans will go to jail. I would dearly love to see Bush and Cheney on the scaffold, frankly.

The real reason the Russians wanted to control Uranium One is that Uranium One had bought up a bunch of uranium rights in Kazakhstan and Russia did not want to be denied access to that uranium. It doesn't really have anything to do with uranium deposits in the US, but the fact that the Clintons were clearly corrupt in their dealings with the issue is important. If Democrats were serious about corruption they would clean their own house. Should the GOP do the same? Absolutely. Since neither will, we should all demand that every instance of corruption be investigated and punished. Or is 'clean government' just too wild a concept?

 

[Que]

I'm point blank asking where is the evidence that the FBI and DOJ shared this information with the committee heads and Obama. Everything in that reporting says that it was sat on.

Gee.

I wonder wbatever could be the political impetus for such an action, as well as the gag order under threat of incarceration of the guy who could have illuminated all of this BEFORE the 2016 election?

 

[adrina]

Your reply is non-responsive. And, I am not a conservative or a right winger. You are so caught up in your own tribalism that you reflexively assign your simplistic categories to anyone that doesn't agree with you.

I happen to think that corrupt politicians of any flavor should go to jail. I don't believe that their corruption ceases to matter once they are out of office. If the Clintons go to jail because of their corruption, it makes it that much more likely that corrupt Republicans will go to jail. I would dearly love to see Bush and Cheney on the scaffold, frankly.

The real reason the Russians wanted to control Uranium One is that Uranium One had bought up a bunch of uranium rights in Kazakhstan and Russia did not want to be denied access to that uranium. It doesn't really have anything to do with uranium deposits in the US, but the fact that the Clintons were clearly corrupt in their dealings with the issue is important. If Democrats were serious about corruption they would clean their own house. Should the GOP do the same? Absolutely. Since neither will, we should all demand that every instance of corruption be investigated and punished. Or is 'clean government' just too wild a concept?

Oh that's rich. You do realize you're all anti Clinton, anti Obama all the time? Through your various incarnations you are one of the biggest partisan whiners I've just about seen.

Give it up.

 

[adrina]

Gee.

I wonder wbatever could be the political impetus for such an action, as well as the gag order under threat of incarceration of the guy who could have illuminated all of this BEFORE the 2016 election?

How about before the deal took place? Did you read the piece from The Hill?

Do you know about the standards and traditions of keeping DOJ and FBI investigations separate from the Pentagon?

You've got more suspicion than facts and your own partisan perspective puts your judgment into beyond questionable territory. You want to see something wrong and bad without even taking the facts into account. Your credibility is pretty much shot on that.

Where is the evidence that the FBI and DOJ shared the information or that they were even doing an investigation with Obama and the department heads?

Your suspicions and distrust are not evidence.

 

[daimoniotica]

Let’s put the Uranium One scandal in perspective: The cool half-million bucks the Putin regime funneled to Bill Clinton was five times the amount it spent on those Facebook ads — the ones the media-Democrat complex ludicrously suggests swung the 2016 presidential election to Donald Trump.

The Facebook-ad buy, which started in June 2015 — before Donald Trump entered the race — was more left-wing agitprop (ads pushing hysteria on racism, immigration, guns, etc.) than electioneering. The Clintons’ own long-time political strategist Mark Penn estimates that just $6,500 went to actual electioneering. (You read that right: 65 hundred dollars.) By contrast, the staggering $500,000 payday from a Kremlin-tied Russian bank for a single speech was part of a multi-million-dollar influence-peddling scheme to enrich the former president and his wife, then–secretary of state Hillary Clinton. At the time, Russia was plotting — successfully — to secure U.S. government approval for its acquisition of Uranium One, and with it, tens of billions of dollars in U.S. uranium reserves.

Here’s the kicker: The Uranium One scandal is not only, or even principally, a Clinton scandal. It is an Obama-administration scandal.

The Clintons were just doing what the Clintons do: cashing in on their “public service.” The Obama administration, with Secretary Clinton at the forefront but hardly alone, was knowingly compromising American national-security interests. The administration green-lighted the transfer of control over one-fifth of American uranium-mining capacity to Russia, a hostile regime — and specifically to Russia’s state-controlled nuclear-energy conglomerate, Rosatom. Worse, at the time the administration approved the transfer, it knew that Rosatom’s American subsidiary was engaged in a lucrative racketeering enterprise that had already committed felony extortion, fraud, and money-laundering offenses.

The Obama administration also knew that congressional Republicans were trying to stop the transfer. Consequently, the Justice Department concealed what it knew. DOJ allowed the racketeering enterprise to continue compromising the American uranium industry rather than commencing a prosecution that would have scotched the transfer. Prosecutors waited four years before quietly pleading the case out for a song, in violation of Justice Department charging guidelines. Meanwhile, the administration stonewalled Congress, reportedly threatening an informant who wanted to go public.

Obama’s ‘Reset’

To understand what happened here, we need to go back to the beginning...

The Obama Administration’s Uranium One Scandal
http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...ministration-doj-hillary-clinton-racketeering

 

[Comshaw]

Blah, blah, blah, blah...

The Clintons are famously corrupt. The fact that they are good at getting away with it doesnt change that well-deserved infamy.

Good at getting away with it???? Let's look at that for a moment shall we?
The Clintons have been investigated over and over again for a number of reasons. The only thing either one of them have been found guilty of was Bill getting a blowjob.
Now this leads to one of two conclusions: There was nothing to find OR they are so good at getting away with things they can hide illegal activities from hundreds of investigators.

If it's the first instance, your statement is totally false unless you have factual proof which I believe you don't.

In the second instance, since over the years they have been investigated many, many times and they have been able to hide every crumb of wrong doing from everyone of hundreds of individuals looking for their nefarious dealings, it seems to me that if nothing was found (and there wasn't, ever) all those investigators (which were conservatives BTW) are totally and utterly incompetent.

So which is it? There was no wrong doing in all those investigations OR the investigators were complete utter morons. The first choice would make you a conspiracy believing repeater of lies, the second a supporter of a political faction that can't find it's ass with both hands.

Choose wisely.


Comshaw

 

[adrina]

the Justice Department concealed what it knew.

So, where is the evidence that DOJ and FBI kept the president and the department heads informed?

Granted The National Review has a reasonable accuracy rate, it's still a highly partisan news source and it's language is a bit sloppy in this article.

 

[Libsam]

Yet here we are again, with the armchair politicians and diplomats that are so sure of what they think they know that we get to have another nothingburger scandal dredged up into the public discourse.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

So, where is the evidence that DOJ and FBI kept the president and the department heads informed?

Granted The National Review has a reasonable accuracy rate, it's still a highly partisan news source and it's language is a bit sloppy in this article.

Hey, Hilary was running a baby sacrifice ring out of a DC pizzeria so I'm sure that she is guilty of selling uranium to her good buddy Putin. Putin wants to fuck her but we all know, she's a lesbian! She lies and she kills people.

Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi!

 

[adrina]

Hey, Hilary was running a baby sacrifice ring out of a DC pizzeria so I'm sure that she is guilty of selling uranium to her good buddy Putin. Putin wants to fuck her but we all know, she's a lesbian! She lies and she kills people.

Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi!

Exactly. I'm sure she's eaten some babies too. With a nice Chianti and some fava beans.

 

[daimoniotica]

Keep in mind that while it is against federal law for foreign agents to contribute to any American politician or American political campaign...

...foreign agents are completely free to contribute to American "foundations".

The inside story of how the Clintons built a $2 billion global empire
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...430fc1d3f5c_story.html?utm_term=.c2dbdf7d5737

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Hey, Hilary was running a baby sacrifice ring out of a DC pizzeria so I'm sure that she is guilty of selling uranium to her good buddy Putin. Putin wants to fuck her but we all know, she's a lesbian! She lies and she kills people.

Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi!

Yanno, you kid here, but...I went to that pizzeria back in the day for a few slices and...and...I swear to Astarte, there was a pacifier underneath a layer of mushrooms and extra cheese on my second slice.

Now, I didn't say nuthin' at the time because I figgered it was the previous night's tequila talkin', but...but...but...

 

[Que]

How about before the deal took place? Did you read the piece from The Hill?

Do you know about the standards and traditions of keeping DOJ and FBI investigations separate from the Pentagon?

You've got more suspicion than facts and your own partisan perspective puts your judgment into beyond questionable territory. You want to see something wrong and bad without even taking the facts into account. Your credibility is pretty much shot on that.

Where is the evidence that the FBI and DOJ shared the information or that they were even doing an investigation with Obama and the department heads?

Your suspicions and distrust are not evidence.

Be nice to read Hillary's emails from that time period. Given that it is the law that all government communications be retained, remind me why it is we don't have those?

 

[adrina]

Be nice to read Hillary's emails from that time period. Given that it is the law that all government communications be retained, remind me why it is we don't have those?

Considering she has called - repeatedly - for their release I think you're just shooting more hot air out.

 

[DrDelirium]

Oh that's rich. You do realize you're all anti Clinton, anti Obama all the time? Through your various incarnations you are one of the biggest partisan whiners I've just about seen.

Give it up.

This is my only incarnation on Literotica ever. And yes, I'm anti-Clinton, and I'm anti-Obama. Even without corruption, they were toadies to corporate interests and war mongers. I am also anti-Bush (both of them), and anti-Trump.
You consistently dismiss what people say, or ignore it, based on your idea of who they are. Even people you do not like, however, can present legitimate facts and have legitimate perspectives. When you are so caught up in personalities that you have to invent identities for people when you disagree with them, you've gone beyond any ability to reason.

If you think that criticizing Clinton or Obama is the same as supporting Trump, you're not thinking clearly at all. There are many more choices in the world than blind partisanship for one or the other of the two major American political parties.

 

[Que]

Considering she has called - repeatedly - for their release I think you're just shooting more hot air out.

She has called for the release of her emails (and other work-product) thst she first shieded with her attorneys, culled, then deleted and bleached en masse?

When did she call for the release of her deleted emails, and how exsctly would that wotk?

 

[Wats_butthole]

She has called for the release of her emails (and other work-product) thst she first shieded with her attorneys, culled, then deleted and bleached en masse?

When did she call for the release of her deleted emails, and how exsctly would that wotk?

^^^Spoken like a double talking tranny/ sales"man".

 

[Que]

Good at getting away with it???? Let's look at that for a moment shall we?
The Clintons have been investigated over and over again for a number of reasons. The only thing either one of them have been found guilty of was Bill getting a blowjob.
Now this leads to one of two conclusions: There was nothing to find OR they are so good at getting away with things they can hide illegal activities from hundreds of investigators.

If it's the first instance, your statement is totally false unless you have factual proof which I believe you don't.

In the second instance, since over the years they have been investigated many, many times and they have been able to hide every crumb of wrong doing from everyone of hundreds of individuals looking for their nefarious dealings, it seems to me that if nothing was found (and there wasn't, ever) all those investigators (which were conservatives BTW) are totally and utterly incompetent.

So which is it? There was no wrong doing in all those investigations OR the investigators were complete utter morons. The first choice would make you a conspiracy believing repeater of lies, the second a supporter of a political faction that can't find it's ass with both hands.

Choose wisely.


Comshaw

I wisely choose neither of your false dichotomy.

How other than corruption does one go from broke leaving the White House to amassing billions of dollars in a shor period of time?

Just because one can't locate the quid doesn't make an obvious quo obvious.

This pattern of being paid for influence dates back to Arkansas.

I'm quite sure that you would agree that penniless Republicans showing up to Washington and going home multi-millionaires is prima facie evidence that somebody paid something for influence somewhere.

 

[DrDelirium]

She has called for the release of her emails (and other work-product) thst she first shieded with her attorneys, culled, then deleted and bleached en masse?

When did she call for the release of her deleted emails, and how exsctly would that wotk?

Well, in theory it would work by calling up the NSA repository and having them hand over their copies.

 

[Que]

Well, in theory it would work by calling up the NSA repository and having them hand over their copies.

I kind of wonder about that. I have little doubt that anything that was transmitted anywhere in the world has been vacuumed up and stored. I kind of picture though that they don't really have indexing and retrieval figured out completely.

I drive a lot and I noticed that Google Maps keeps track of every where I go. So in theory with a court order if they wanted to prove I was at any given place or perhaps not in a particular place at a particular time it seems like you could reconstruct my travels completely.

Take any who-dunnit. If Mark Rich for example I had an iPhone or an Android in his pocket the night he was killed we should be able to know exactly where he walked and when. We also should be able to see which phones intersected with his when and where.

I haven't noticed much about any crimes being sold in this sort of way so I assume that retrieval is cumbersome if at all possible.

Remember the days when you had to delete unnecessary data from floppy disk so you'd have enough room to actually run a program?

 

[phrodeau]

Keep in mind that while it is against federal law for foreign agents to contribute to any American politician or American political campaign...

...foreign agents are completely free to contribute to American "foundations".

The inside story of how the Clintons built a $2 billion global empire
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...430fc1d3f5c_story.html?utm_term=.c2dbdf7d5737

That’s the law as written. Don’t like it? Get Congress to change it.

 

[DrDelirium]

I kind of wonder about that. I have little doubt that anything that was transmitted anywhere in the world has been vacuumed up and stored. I kind of picture though that they don't really have indexing and retrieval figured out completely.

I drive a lot and I noticed that Google Maps keeps track of every where I go. So in theory with a court order if they wanted to prove I was at any given place or perhaps not in a particular place at a particular time it seems like you could reconstruct my travels completely.

Take any who-dunnit. If Mark Rich for example I had an iPhone or an Android in his pocket the night he was killed we should be able to know exactly where he walked and when. We also should be able to see which phones intersected with his when and where.

I haven't noticed much about any crimes being sold in this sort of way so I assume that retrieval is cumbersome if at all possible.

Remember the days when you had to delete unnecessary data from floppy disk so you'd have enough room to actually run a program?

Unless you were completely insane, you'd have bulk storage of raw data by date and the hub you collected it off of. Crunching those particular storage items for Hillary's IP address would be pretty trivial.

My understanding is that at present, yes, you can figure out where somebody with a smart phone with a GPS app is and has been very easily, it's just a matter of getting a warrant. People like me, with dumb phones, can be tracked post facto to the nearest cell phone towers, but I don't believe there's enough stored data to locate us more precisely except in real time, when signal lag between nearby towers can be used to triangulate a location precisely.

 

[Sean]

https://twitter.com/goldengateblond/status/924695027397181440

 

[WoundedKnee]

My point is that none of it has been exported despite what has been said earlier in the thread.

I know you play fast and loose with facts but I don't.

Doesn't matter. What matters is the Russian money to ancillary players in order to buy into the industry. In the age of rule by pen and phone, once paid off, who knows what Secretary Clinton would have overlooked or enabled just as her husband did in sending missile technology to China and nuclear technology to North Korea.

Facts are funny things when presented in the right light.

 

[Hypoxia]

Doesn't matter. What matters is the Russian money to ancillary players in order to buy into the industry.

IIRC the US and/or Canadian firm involved had bought a firm owning uranium interests in Kazakhstan; the Russians bought in to keep control of those local mines, not to physically obtain uranium from US or Canada.

In the age of rule by pen and phone, once paid off, who knows what Secretary Clinton would have overlooked or enabled...

"Who knows" means "I have no evidence but hey, here's a great conspiracy theory!" Alas, as Robert Anton Wilson pointed put, following conspiracy theories leads to insanity.