Upcoming Economic Civil War?

[4est_4est_Gump]

Between the dying tangible economy and the intangible economy?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/08/are-we-heading-for-an-economic-civil-war.html

Warning for Libs, it's a really long article. It takes an attention span...

In conclusion:

"Hillary Clinton may praise the economic progress under President Obama, and win the nods of those in the tech, media, and financial community who have done very well on his watch. There’s enough momentum from these industries to guarantee that the entire West Coast and the Northeast will fold comfortably, and predictably, into the Clinton column, despite rising concern about crime, homelessness, and loss of middle class jobs. But the very same policies that attract the tech world voter to Clinton will just as certainly alienate many working class and middle class Democrats in places like Appalachia, the Gulf Coast, and particularly the politically pivotal Great Lakes.

"The stakes could be huge. If the Republicans can convince most voters in the middle of the country that the coastal-driven policy agenda is a direct threat to their interests, the GOP will likely carry the day. But if the Democrats can convince the country that coastal California and New York City represent the best future for us all, then get ready for Hillary, because nothing else—certainly not the old social issues—will stop her."

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Maybe a real civil war?

The Catalan independence campaign heads for a potentially perilous new phase on Monday, as the regional parliament prepares to vote on a resolution to “disconnect” from the rest of Spain and renounce all rulings from the country’s constitutional court.

The resolution commits the recently elected parliament to the “creation of the independent state of Catalonia, in the form of a republic”.

It also calls for the passing of new legislation to set up an independent tax authority and social security system within 30 days.

Most controversially, perhaps, it states that the Catalan parliament is no longer bound by the decision of Spanish institutions and, in particular, the constitutional court, the highest tribunal in Spain.

The resolution is the first fruit of the uneasy alliance between the two main pro-independence groups, Junts pel Si and the Popular Unity Candidacy (CUP). The two groups won a majority of seats in the Catalan parliament in September, but are divided on key issues of strategy and policy.

The CUP, a radical leftwing party that opposes Nato and EU membership, has so far refused to back Artur Mas for another term as president of Catalonia. Mr Mas, a senior figure in Junts pel Si, hails from a moderately nationalist, business-friendly political background. But he has steadily moved towards a more hardline pro-independence stance.​

What's Next?

If the vote is for independence, what will Spain do? Call out the army?

What will president Obama say?

Read more at http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/#WytS7CXMmWdfXL4w.99

 

[NeverEndingMe]

only a retard would vote for hillary or bernie

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

only a retard would vote for hillary or bernie

Which one will you choose?

​

 

[RobDownSouth]

But the very same policies that attract the tech world voter to Clinton will just as certainly alienate many working class and middle class Democrats in places like Appalachia, the Gulf Coast, and particularly the politically pivotal Great Lakes.

Midwesterners hate technology? Who knew?

"The stakes could be huge. If the Republicans can convince most voters in the middle of the country that the coastal-driven policy agenda is a direct threat to their interests, the GOP will likely carry the day. But if the Democrats can convince the country that coastal California and New York City represent the best future for us all, then get ready for Hillary, because nothing else—certainly not the old social issues—will stop her."

On planet Wingnut, it's always "us vs. them". Always.

 

[miles]

The stench of decomposing pork has suddenly filled this thread.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I tend not to take notice of ManBoobPig, it makes him feel relevant.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Of all the growing divides in America—red-blue, conservative-liberal, Republican-Democrat, white-nonwhite—none is sharper than that between city and country. The nation’s urbanites increasingly govern those living in the hinterlands, even as vanishing rural Americans still feed and fuel the nation. At the nation’s birth, it took nine farmers to feed one city dweller. Today, one farmer supports 99 urbanites—evidence, supposedly, that almost everyone has been freed from the drudgery of agricultural work.

City and country are not coequals by any demographic, political, or cultural measure. The urban is growing and ascendant; the rural shrinks and becomes increasingly culturally irrelevant. California is now the most urbanized state in the nation. Over 95 percent of the population lives in what the census classifies as urban clusters of 50,000 people or more—an underappreciated phenomenon, given the huge size and mostly open areas of the state. America’s most densely urbanized area is currently the Los Angeles–Long Beach–Anaheim basin, where almost 7,000 people crowd in per square mile. Second place goes to the San Francisco–Oakland Bay Area (6,266 people per square mile), and third to the Silicon Valley–San Jose corridor (5,820). Aside from these and the Sacramento and Fresno urban clusters, in terms of geography, California remains mostly an empty state. Housing is cheap in Sanger and is out of reach in Santa Cruz, three hours away, in part because people don’t wish any longer to live in small towns or on homesteads when they can enjoy a culture that puts a premium on going to concerts, the community beach, basketball games, or shopping malls—or, at least, being among people who do.

...

The urbanization of California and the United States is part of a larger global trend where high-density populated areas extend beyond traditional cities to vast swaths of suburban sprawl. A uniformity of fashion, habit, and dress spreads as regionalism fades...

But what, exactly, causes city and country people to become so opposite politically, culturally, and socially?

Rural living historically has encouraged independence—and it still does, even in the globalized and wired twenty-first century. Other people aren’t always around to ensure that water gets delivered (and drained), sewage disappears, and snow is removed. For the vast majority of Americans, these and other concerns are the jobs of government bureaucracy and its unionized public workforce. Not so in rural areas, where autonomy and autarky—not narrow specialization—are necessary and fueled by an understanding that machines and tools must be mastered to keep nature in its proper place. Such constant preparedness nurtures skeptical views about the role and size of government, in which the good citizen is defined as someone who can take care of himself.

...

By contrast, city dwellers own few machines. Even “man caves” are not necessarily garages stuffed with tools. Urbanites thus have fewer worries about maintenance and upkeep and more time to read, brood, and mix with others. Urbanites may work long hours at the office amid thousands of people, but they often remain in a cocooned existence shielded from the physical world. Essential to the neurotic buzz of 24/7 cable news, Twitter, and Facebook is the assumption that millions of Americans are not busy logging, hauling in a net on a fishing boat, or picking peaches. We have forgotten the Roman urban-hipster poet Catullus’s warning to himself: otium, Catulle, tibi molestum est:/ otio exsultas nimiumque gestis/ otium et reges prius et beatas perdidit urbes. (“Idleness is a troublesome thing for you, Catullus: In idleness you revel and delight too much: idleness has destroyed both kings and blessed cities before.”) Note how Catullus did not reference the countryside in his worries about idleness and its wages of destruction.

...

The cursus honorum of the elite that runs the country in politics, finance, journalism, and academia is urban to the core—degrees from brand-name universities, internships at well-connected agencies, residence in New York or Washington, power marriages. The power résumé does not include mechanical apprenticeships, work on ships or oil rigs, knowledge of firearms, or farm, logging, or mining labor—jobs now regulated and overseen by those with little experience of them.

...

Urbanites now prefer natural granite counters to tile, wood floors to nylon carpets, and stainless-steel appliances to artificial white enamels. But these supposedly natural tastes don’t lead to a greater appreciation of the miner, the logger, or the fabricator—much less of the abstract idea that before there exists a polished floor or counter in the city, lots of messy operations are needed to force nature to give up its bounty. Like bored Hellenistic court poets who romanticized shepherds’ lives in never-visited Arcadia, Silicon Valley techies like to wear heavy-duty hiking boots and flannel and drive four-wheel-drive SUVs with mud tires. The cause of the delta smelt or the San Joaquin Valley salmon fills a spiritual need for the Sierra Club activist; the livelihood of the Hispanic grape pruner in Caruthers and the poor children of the field irrigator in Five Points do not.

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Another symptom of the urban-rural disconnect is trivialization. Given the existential problems facing California—clogged freeways, failing schools, millions of illegal aliens, idled acreage, obscene prices for houses, sky-high power and fuel costs—among the least of worries for the state legislature should be banning plastic bags or mandating gender-neutral school restrooms. Such distractions are possible only because necessities such as food and fuel are plentiful, and their acquisition has become boring to the urbanite in a way that a transgendered march in San Francisco is not. Or is the problem that urban man has no answers for the existential challenges, so he finds psychological refuge for his impotence in obsessing over the trivial?

How did the new Californians deal with the drought? Not as in the past. Water projects like the huge Temperance Flat reservoir on the San Joaquin River were canceled. Millions of acre-feet of precious stored water were released out of rivers as urban environmentalists hoped to increase the population of three-inch delta smelt and to restore nineteenth-century salmon to the upper San Joaquin River. Despite millions of acre-feet of released water, both fish projects have so far failed. (See “The Scorching of California,” Winter 2015.)

Common sense would have warned that droughts are existential challenges, the severity and duration of which are unpredictable. Droughts are times to bank water, not to release it for questionable new green initiatives. If Californians wished for a state of 40 million people and wanted it to remain the nation’s leader in agriculture and for its dry coastal corridor to continue to host Cal Tech, Stanford, UC Berkeley, USC, UCLA, Apple, Google, Facebook, Hollywood, Wells Fargo, Safeway, and Pacific Gas & Electric, it seemed obvious that they would continue to build water projects—and to stop releases into the Pacific never envisioned by the architects of the huge transfers.

Such common sense would assume, though, that millions of Californians had seen a broccoli farm or a Flame Seedless vineyard and had made the connection that what they purchased at Whole Foods was grown from irrigated soil. But the drought has reminded us that urban Californians don’t wish to think about, let alone visit, the farms that feed them. As long as the lights flick on in the morning, the Google bus arrives at the corner stop at the designated time, and the lattes are made at the corner coffee house, these benefits are considered either natural processes or birthrights ensured by distant others—perhaps less bright and less important and certainly less cool.

...

From Hesiod’s Works and Days to Virgil’s Georgics, the connection between farming and morality was always emphasized as a check on urban decadence and corruption. What was gained by the city’s great universities, monumental edifices, churches, and pageantry was often lost through the baleful effects of being cut off from nature and defining success through intangibles such as transient goods, status, and material luxuries. Physical and mental balance, practicality, a sense of the tragic rather than the therapeutic—all these were birthed by rural life and yet proved essential to the survival of a nation that would inevitably become more mannered, sophisticated, and urban. Jefferson idealized an American as a tough citizen who couldn’t be fooled by sophisticated demagogues, given his own steady hand guiding the plow or digging irrigation ditches. Rural folks didn’t romanticize the city, but rather, like characters in Horace’s Satires or the content rustic mouse of Aesop’s Fables, saw it as a necessary evil. Yet urbanites, though cut off from nature, dependent on government for their sustenance, and embedded within the politics and trends of the day, idealized the farm and pasture—if certainly from a safe distance.

The twenty-first century may at last see the end of a venerable consensus that rural citizens prizing liberty and freedom provide a necessary audit on the democracy of urbanites who prefer uniformity and demand equality at all costs....

Victor Davis Hanson

http://www.city-journal.org/2015/25_4_urban-rural-divide.html

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Each of us knows our financial status. We know if we're working and how often. We know if we can pay our bills. OBwana and Hillary cant hide what we know for sure.

That said, modern regimes, like ancient regimes, pay their princes and soldiers and fuck the folks who pay the taxes. Nowadays the princes and soldiers include the Elites and Big Corporations. America operates USSR style economics today. Russia always allowed small business...book stores, barbers, bakeries, tailors, and such. Cars and tractors and grocery stores were operated by the government. Doctors worked for the government. In America doctors work for WALMART and MICROSOFT. Small business is dying because it cant compete with WALMART.

We'll get a civil war when the low hanging fruit of the state economy falls, and it always falls.

 

[Wrong Element]

I strongly urge Republicans to campaign on a platform of higher energy prices.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I strongly urge Republicans to campaign on a platform of higher energy prices.

I'm sure that they are going to take your advice.


:nods:

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Hillary must now campaign as a libbocrat, and she knows that wont work. Unless she has pix of Trump fucking a monkey, she's screwed.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Hillary must now campaign as a libbocrat, and she knows that wont work. Unless she has pix of Trump fucking a monkey, she's screwed.

Trust me, she'll evolve with the polls...

Her past will not matter.

The Republican flip-flops, will of course go to character and integrity.

 

[Wrong Element]

Hillary must now campaign as a libbocrat, and she knows that wont work. Unless she has pix of Trump fucking a monkey, she's screwed.

Still waiting on Joe Manchin?

 

[Ishmael]

Trust me, she'll evolve with the polls...

Her past will not matter.

The Republican flip-flops, will of course go to character and integrity.

Not yet anyway. The FBI investigation is ongoing and the White House is ultra concerned. Given the recent statement from the FBI Director regarding 'police intimidation' by the media et al, and the backup statement by the head of DEA it appears that he is not being intimidated by the political appointees'. And should they actually charge her ass, as she obviously deserves, the democrats are left with no Plan B for 2016.

Ishmael

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Not yet anyway. The FBI investigation is ongoing and the White House is ultra concerned. Given the recent statement from the FBI Director regarding 'police intimidation' by the media et al, and the backup statement by the head of DEA it appears that he is not being intimidated by the political appointees'. And should they actually charge her ass, as she obviously deserves, the democrats are left with no Plan B for 2016.

Ishmael

Youre right. She's the Democrat John McCain.

Someone's gonna replace Ginzberger and others on the court. If the Democrats win America is guaranteed to be a cluster fuck for another generation. If a Republican wins its chains for the blacks and closets for the queers.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Not yet anyway. The FBI investigation is ongoing and the White House is ultra concerned. Given the recent statement from the FBI Director regarding 'police intimidation' by the media et al, and the backup statement by the head of DEA it appears that he is not being intimidated by the political appointees'. And should they actually charge her ass, as she obviously deserves, the democrats are left with no Plan B for 2016.

Ishmael

I see this the same way I see the JV comment and the behavior of the security intelligence. Every intelligence officer could clearly see and hear where President Obama's mind was on the topic of the status of Islamic terrorism, decentralized, on the run, a bogeyman for the right-wing lunatics and they knew of the ruthless nature of his retaliation, so they told him what they wanted to hear. Now his excuse is that the intelligence downplayed the threat so he did too...



A nice little chicken and egg problem. It will take someone(s) willing to throw their careers away to do anything to the next President of the United States because she is just as ruthless and vindictive.

 

[Ishmael]

I see this the same way I see the JV comment and the behavior of the security intelligence. Every intelligence officer could clearly see and hear where President Obama's mind was on the topic of the status of Islamic terrorism, decentralized, on the run, a bogeyman for the right-wing lunatics and they knew of the ruthless nature of his retaliation, so they told him what they wanted to hear. Now his excuse is that the intelligence downplayed the threat so he did too...



A nice little chicken and egg problem. It will take someone(s) willing to throw their careers away to do anything to the next President of the United States because she is just as ruthless and vindictive.

What's his attendance record for his daily security briefings? 50% +/-

He's cut the military out of the policy loop. Apparently even after having fired the war-fighters and replacing them with the 'political' generals he's still not quite hearing what he wants to hear.

And the National Threat Assessment publications aren't quite meshing with his "downplayed the threat" statement.

When it comes to national security and foreign policy he seems to be living a world that he's conjured up in his mind. A world that's he's made more chaotic and dangerous, and he actually seems to take some pride in having done so.

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

Victor Davis Hanson

http://www.city-journal.org/2015/25_4_urban-rural-divide.html

Shorter AJ: "Us vs. Them! US VS. THEM, DAMMIT!"

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

What's his attendance record for his daily security briefings? 50% +/-

He's cut the military out of the policy loop. Apparently even after having fired the war-fighters and replacing them with the 'political' generals he's still not quite hearing what he wants to hear.

And the National Threat Assessment publications aren't quite meshing with his "downplayed the threat" statement.

When it comes to national security and foreign policy he seems to be living a world that he's conjured up in his mind. A world that's he's made more chaotic and dangerous, and he actually seems to take some pride in having done so.

Ishmael

Today, he lectures Bibi...

 

[snugglestruggle]

Today, he lectures Bibi...

Sure it's not the other way around?

 

[miles]

Today, he lectures Bibi...

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that room.

The Traitor couldn't carry Bibi's yarmulke.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Sure it's not the other way around?

Well, I only count the words Obama utters when he explains to his followers how he put Bibi in his place after Bibi has departed...



I don't know what happens behind closed doors.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that room.

The Traitor couldn't carry Bibi's yarmulke.

Self-identify your way into the meeting.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Between the dying tangible economy and the intangible economy?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/08/are-we-heading-for-an-economic-civil-war.html

Warning for Libs, it's a really long article. It takes an attention span...

In conclusion:

"Hillary Clinton may praise the economic progress under President Obama, and win the nods of those in the tech, media, and financial community who have done very well on his watch. There’s enough momentum from these industries to guarantee that the entire West Coast and the Northeast will fold comfortably, and predictably, into the Clinton column, despite rising concern about crime, homelessness, and loss of middle class jobs. But the very same policies that attract the tech world voter to Clinton will just as certainly alienate many working class and middle class Democrats in places like Appalachia, the Gulf Coast, and particularly the politically pivotal Great Lakes.

"The stakes could be huge. If the Republicans can convince most voters in the middle of the country that the coastal-driven policy agenda is a direct threat to their interests, the GOP will likely carry the day. But if the Democrats can convince the country that coastal California and New York City represent the best future for us all, then get ready for Hillary, because nothing else—certainly not the old social issues—will stop her."

So basically if democrats are doing well with their industries it's a threat to republicans because Hillary is the boogie man...

LMFAO.