Unreasonable Attacks

[NymphWriter]

When I joined this site 3 years ago, it was a great place to post a story and get good feedback. Lately though, my stores are being attacked, I get nothing by trash talking and I for one have had it. There are other sites with less trolls, less attacks, and I get much better feedback from those sites with less attacks. I hate to pull my work but I feel that this site has gone to hell with no regulation and piss poor quality.

 

[Andrea81]

Welcome to the internet where cowards who would be afraid to say anything critical face to face use the anonymity of their computer monitors to demonstrate how brave they are.

You need to have thick skin to share/post/create anything online, especially when site mods/admins can't be bothered to police their community.

Personally, I'd take whatever they hated from said stories and focus even more on that to really annoy the trolls. Once you figure out how to troll the trolls you can have some fun with it.

 

[Magnetron]

Just wandering in from the poetry section.

I always wrote poems and lyrics making fun of my trolls. They were great inspirations. And laughter at their expense is the best reven ..... err .... medicine.

 

[rippitydoo]

Looking over the "Feedback" section, & noticed your thread had something posted in the last 24 hours, so thought I'd check it out.

My thoughts are: Get someone else (cops?!) to watch your STORES, & only post on here about problems with feedback on your STORIES!!!

 

[JustaSCOUNDREL]

Ya know NymphWriter, I think you're a bit thin skinned, you have a large number of red H's, most of your stories that have scores less than 4.5 still have pretty reasonable scores.

For whatever reasons I have not read your stories in the past, but tonight I decided to read one and I selected one with a relatively low score. I chose "Late Night Masturbation".

Here are some of my thoughts if you are interested.

1. The story was pretty short and many voters like much longer stories.

2. You had only two comments and both were positive.

3. The story did not flow for me, I thought there were several disconnects about here hubbys hands were and what they were doing, making the whole story feel hurried and, for me not particularly erotic.

4. I suspect most people who masturbate, men and women, fantasize about something and I did not see it or it was so quick I missed it. Over all, for me the story was not erotic at all.

5. I voted and as an act of charity I gave you a four instead of a three for of which it was far more deserving.

Even the best writer sometimes write bad prose.

If you want far fewer reads and more adulation then perhaps another site is better for you, but if in general you are interested in readers who compare your writing with some of the best amature erotic writers and are willing to put up with the trolls then I think you have a established a pretty solid following right here on Literotica.

Stay or leave, it is strictly up to you. These are just my thoughts.

 

[sr71plt]

When I looked at your listing and, specifically, at your latest story, which seems to be what set you off (Loving Wives, naturally), my thought was that there is a flip side to your rather belligerent profile statement of not reading in categories you don't like (which is true). The flip side is that it's best that you not place stories in battleground categories like Loving Wives unless you can withstand heavy knock about and low ratings.

Literotica gives the author power to turn off voting and/or comments and even to erase comments the author doesn't like. I don't think you'll find that power at very many other story sites.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

When I looked at your listing and, specifically, at your latest story, which seems to be what set you off (Loving Wives, naturally), my thought was that there is a flip side to your rather belligerent profile statement of not reading in categories you don't like (which is true). The flip side is that it's best that you not place stories in battleground categories like Loving Wives unless you can withstand heavy knock about and low ratings.

Literotica gives the author power to turn off voting and/or comments and even to erase comments the author doesn't like. I don't think you'll find that power at very many other story sites.

ah, LW, eh?

*nods*

 

[RejectReality]

I still think there should be a bright red *WARNING* notation that comes up on the submission form when you select Loving Wives as a category, for the benefit of newcomers who have no idea what kind of shark pit they're wading into.

I feel as if I'm degrading sharks by saying that.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

I still think there should be a bright red *WARNING* notation that comes up on the submission form when you select Loving Wives as a category, for the benefit of newcomers who have no idea what kind of shark pit they're wading into.

I feel as if I'm degrading sharks by saying that.

if they scent blood over in LW...

feeding frenzy!

 

[Serafina1210]

What JustaSCOUNDREL said. You've got lots of nice red H's--you've done well here.

I don't know what Loving Wives was like back in 2012 when you last posted there, but I posted there earlier this year and counted myself lucky to get out alive. On the other hand, the readership in LW is huge: it's a great section if you like having lots of readers.

And it's just one section of the site--though trolls can show up anywhere.

 

[sr71plt]

The author's last Loving Wives story didn't reach a 4 rating either, and half of the comments (that are still there) knocked the story. Those gave reasons why they knocked the story, though. So, there shouldn't have been a great surprise on what happens by posting to Loving Wives. This is constantly discussed on the forum, so the users are doing what they can to point the issue out of the danger of posting there.

The most recent stories, are, yes, scoring lower than earlier ones across the board. But I would expect that when the author's profile is belligerent. It invites "Oh, yeah, I'll show you" trolling.

I don't have much sympathy for any author with over half hot ratings on their stories whining about trolling when the standard for "good" on Literotica is a rating of 3 and there are other authors stoically weathering genuine trolling campaigns.

I didn't see anything in this author's listing that justified an "unreasonable" response charge. Good writers will at least occasionally write controversial stories that receive some negative response. That's one reason they are good writers. To anyone who can't live with the list of ratings and comments I saw here who says the Web site is unreasonably handling his/her stories and they are leaving, I say "Bye, and good luck."

 

[aace714]

Don't write for critics.

 

[lovecraft68]

You have to be able to take the bad with the good.

You're not going to complain a comment was too positive. You're never going to complain "Oh, another red H"

Therefore you shouldn't complain about the flip side of what comes with that which is trolling.

In most every case(except LW of course) positive comments and scores over 4 vastly out weigh negative remarks and low scoring stories.

Most of what we get here is good so focus on that.

Personally I think trolls, especially the LW variety, are hilarious. Its a lot easier to laugh at them than to get upset about it. When you get upset they win.

 

[DeYaKen]

Like others I looked at the comments on your latest story and if that is what gets you all hot under the collar, perhaps you are right that Lit and certainly LW is no place for you.

As for Lit having changed in 3 years, I was getting far worse than the stuff you complain about 3years ago.

To a large degree you deliberately or otherwise created those comments by billing your work as a revenge story then apparently giving the reader a willing cuckold story.

I didn't read your story because the description told me it was going to be a "he cheated so I'll get revenge by fucking someone else" story. I don't understand that idea so I don't read them.

 

[rjordan]

It's pretty simple. Most readers of a particular category have certain expectations about how a story there should go. Almost a fetish. If you deviate from that "formula" you are going to get negative comments. If you stick to the formula, the readers otherwise give you some latitude. The worst scores you got were for LW where a very vocal readership will punish you for any deviation.

You seem to have a very thin skin for a writer. You probably should consider disabling comments and voting, because readers tend to comment and vote based on their own expectations and interests. That's as it should be.

So if you are going to continue to submit stories here, you have to decide are you writing for a high score, or adulation from your "real fans" as you call them in your bio. Or are you trying to tell a story?

rj

 

[NymphWriter]

Thinned Skinned?!?

Honestly, no I'm not thinned skinned. If the criticism was about my poor writing, that would be one thing. The person in this tread who didn't like "Late Night Masturbation" had valid points and I wasn't the least be offended.

Then today, some asshole sent an really offensive email to me with an email so fake that even a moron could tell not to "reply" to the person. Of course, I deleted the message.

My point was this, and you can all just take it for what you will. People who post their work do so because they want to share. Some might be better than others. If I see something wrong, I send the author a private message telling them what I saw that they need to address. If I liked what I read, I kept my comments polite.

Criticism about my poor writing skills is one thing. Criticism about the subject matter is another. And as someone who's enjoyed stories on this site for several years even before becoming a member, I've seen the attacks get worse & worse, not just on my work but on others as well.

I know this will garnish more attacks, but I'm only saying what those who have left this site have already said. Too many trolls are ruining what was once a great site.

 

[sr71plt]

Honestly, no I'm not thinned skinned. If the criticism was about my poor writing, that would be one thing. The person in this tread who didn't like "Late Night Masturbation" had valid points and I wasn't the least be offended.

Then today, some asshole sent an really offensive email to me with an email so fake that even a moron could tell not to "reply" to the person. Of course, I deleted the message.

My point was this, and you can all just take it for what you will. People who post their work do so because they want to share. Some might be better than others. If I see something wrong, I send the author a private message telling them what I saw that they need to address. If I liked what I read, I kept my comments polite.

Criticism about my poor writing skills is one thing. Criticism about the subject matter is another. And as someone who's enjoyed stories on this site for several years even before becoming a member, I've seen the attacks get worse & worse, not just on my work but on others as well.

I know this will garnish more attacks, but I'm only saying what those who have left this site have already said. Too many trolls are ruining what was once a great site.

Umm, no, NymphWriter, that's not what you complained about--or how you did it--in your OP to this thread (and this goes from the comment you've put on another thread too). The folks who responded here responded to what you actually posted--and how you phrased it. Changing the goalposts doesn't really change that.

 

[laptopwriter]

First, I agree; there are too many trolls and they are ruining the site...

But, the story you wrote was like waving a red cape at a bull...

I didn't read the story until I saw this thread. I do remember reading the first paragraph or two and didn't like the way it started out so I didn't continue.

You say you read the comments on other stories so you must have known the kind of stories that get the most negative feedback. They are usually "willing cuckolds" or stories that show men as wimps. So...you write a story about a serial cheating, wimp husband whose wife forces him to watch while she gets impregnated by another man for revenge, then husband decides he likes watching and turns into a wimp, willing cuckold...

and then you ask why the score is low? I'm surprised it's as high as it is. I'm sure that's due only to the fact that the story was well written.

I wrote, what I thought was a clever little story where I misdirected the reader to believe a very loving wife was cheating on her husband. In the end we find it's not true. Even though most of the comments were positive, the score is the lowest of all my stories. It turned out people didn't like to be fooled. Content counts!

 

[Vanadorn]

Any time you post something in LW, mentally whack half a point off of it unless you are specifically posting a formulaic BTB or RAAC story. And I mean formulaic - no deviation except for length and name changes.

You have great scores and good stories and can't expect them to appeal to everyone - just like you have varied tastes, so does the readership here. Are scores nice? Sure. Should you write for good scores? No - write because you like to write and share because you like to share your writing.

My latest piece had the narrator die while saving his kids and soon to be ex-wife and it garnered so much vitriol and negative strife - and so far has been my lowest ranked submission to date (just under a 4.0 - and to put that in a framework - when I first posted it it was a 3.4!). 18k words and the culmination of 5 chapters and I get vilified by the anonymous bottom feeders. Don't take it to heart - the site is fine - it's some (and only some) of the readers. And like anything else, it's the bottom 10% that make 90% of the noise.

-V

 

[TamLin01]

There are other sites with less trolls, less attacks, and I get much better feedback from those sites with less attacks.

Actually, there probably aren't.

I'm afraid it's just a fact of life that if you publicly distribute art of any kind, some of the criticism you absorb will be unfair. It would be nice if it weren't so, but it would also be nice if "Blowjob Surprise" was a real flavor of ice cream and it were free on Tuesdays.

If you want to be a writer then you have to put up with a little nastiness. Nobody likes it any more than you do, but it's the price of doing business.

 

[NymphWriter]

I'm going to catch more hell, but I feel this must be said

It's no secret that Lit was at one time a fantastic site for erotic stories that varied form minimal sex to a basic "stroke story". But over time, it has become less writer friendly. I've accepted, begrudgingly, that any story I have in LW will have a shit score. The score was a let down to begin with, but it was the nastiness of the comments and emails I've since gotten that were too much.

And for the record, the nasty emails have been coming long before my last story. The email today was just the final straw. Yes, like many authors, I have set my stories to not accept anonymous comments and my account to not accept anonymous emails. I did that after one such nasty email. But don't tell me I'm the only author to have received such messages & comments.

I'm just the bitch who dared to call a spade a spade.

 

[sr71plt]

Actually, you just led with bitching (it's in your profile), so you've invited what's happening to you. Yes, it's too bad it's happening, but this is the Internet. You chose to come on the Internet and this is what happens on the Internet. And when you bitch back about it, you invite more attacks. That's the nature of the Internet.

I think we've had enough of this now.

 

[lovecraft68]

Actually, there probably aren't.

I'm afraid it's just a fact of life that if you publicly distribute art of any kind, some of the criticism you absorb will be unfair. It would be nice if it weren't so, but it would also be nice if "Blowjob Surprise" was a real flavor of ice cream and it were free on Tuesdays.

If you want to be a writer then you have to put up with a little nastiness. Nobody likes it any more than you do, but it's the price of doing business.

No, there are. A lot of people have reported stories on line and lush stories get much more positive feedback. I think-not 100% sure-that at least one of them doe snot allow anonymous which does cut it down. Some will also ban an account that is nothing but trolling.

However, you only get a small amount of attention there compared to here.

Now lit could be the biggest and the best because they could implement some of what the other sites do to make it a better experience for the authors that draw the readers that draw the sponsors to make the site money.

Could, but won't.

But point is not every site revels in and rewards rudeness the way this site does.

 

[sexywriterfla]

Kinda like Amazon's Verified Reviews huh?

 

[DeYaKen]

It's no secret that Lit was at one time a fantastic site for erotic stories that varied form minimal sex to a basic "stroke story". But over time, it has become less writer friendly. I've accepted, begrudgingly, that any story I have in LW will have a shit score. The score was a let down to begin with, but it was the nastiness of the comments and emails I've since gotten that were too much.

And for the record, the nasty emails have been coming long before my last story. The email today was just the final straw. Yes, like many authors, I have set my stories to not accept anonymous comments and my account to not accept anonymous emails. I did that after one such nasty email. But don't tell me I'm the only author to have received such messages & comments.

I'm just the bitch who dared to call a spade a spade.

Oh enough of the poor me routine. You're not the bitch who dared to call a spade a spade, you are just one of a number of people who have used these boards to whine about negative feedback and trolls. It's nothing new, we all get it. If it is new to you then just thank your lucky stars that it is. Most of us have been getting it for years.

The more readers you get the more trolls you will get. Loving wives gets the most readers hence the most trolls.

Other sites don't give you the problem but then again they don't get the same readership. Lush stories is very restrictive in what they allow you to post. They probably don't get the amount of abuse but again they don't get the readers. Stories online gives you a better class of feedback but that is mainly because you have to register in order to read stories, nothing is anonymous and the trolls cannot get off on the idea of everyone else reading what they said about you because there are no public comment boards. However, Lit gives me a lot more feedback, good and bad.

People can do worse things than giving you negative feedback and calling you names. It has happened to me and a number of other writers who post in LW. I, and it would seem a number of others have adopted the attitude that I have a right to be there and nobody is going to drive me away. You can adopt the same attitude or you can quit (as you intimated in your first post) The choice is yours. Lit hasn't changed, it isn't likely to change so accept it as it is or move on.