Undeserved Punishment

[chatbug]

I’m a switch that writes female domination / male submission stories. In my stories, I sometimes have the domme punish the sub for something he didn’t do or have control over. I wondered if anyone else enjoys this as a part of his or her domination or submission.

As a dominant or top, I would not want to punish my sub for something she didn’t do or wasn’t responsible for. However, as a bottom, I find it erotic and arousing to be whipped or punished for something I didn’t do.

 

[NCShin]

unless it was part of a scene or rollplay i wouldn't punish a submissive for something they didn't do or couldn't control, or didn't know.

If I wanted to punish her I would, I don't think there is any reason to make up a reason.

 

[rosco rathbone]

chaaatbuuuuuuuuuuuuug in da hizzouse!!!!!

 

[RavenSpirit2k4]

unless it was part of a scene or rollplay i wouldn't punish a submissive for something they didn't do or couldn't control, or didn't know.

If I wanted to punish her I would, I don't think there is any reason to make up a reason.

I second this. And sometimes what might look like a punishment is an exercise in discipline and self-control for the sub. One painful example: a clothespin on the foreskin of an uncircumsized sub while he has to recite a poem.

Btw, hello Chatbug. I really like your stories.

 

[Ms_Lilith]

I'm a VERY disciplined submissive, but I'm also a stubborn dutch woman. If my Sir tried whipping me or something for something I didn't do, I would argue, and I would win. Whipping or whatever for his own pleasure, sure. Just cus he wanted to inflict pain right then, great. Cus I DID do something wrong, wonderful, I deserve it.

But to accuse me of something I didn't do simply to get his rocks off, when he can do whatever he wants whenever he wants? That would piss the living fuck out of me, and he'd know it.


(we're both switch, so I have no problems breaking scene to give him a piece of my mind..... mind you.. if he WAS just Dom, I'd still probably do it.)


lol

 

[FungiUg]

I think it could be fun to do as a mind fuck. I'd be erring on the side of verbal humiliation to do that... I kinda like that idea!

On the other hand, I'd pick something really trivial to punish her over, rather than something she didn't do.

"You fucking slut... you wore blue today, didn't you?"

"Yes Sir, I did, but..."

"Don't you fucking talk back to me, bitch. On your knees, I'm going to beat the living daylights out of you!"

Well, okay... so I like the idea a little...

 

[Ms_Lilith]

I think it could be fun to do as a mind fuck. I'd be erring on the side of verbal humiliation to do that... I kinda like that idea!

On the other hand, I'd pick something really trivial to punish her over, rather than something she didn't do.

"You fucking slut... you wore blue today, didn't you?"

"Yes Sir, I did, but..."

"Don't you fucking talk back to me, bitch. On your knees, I'm going to beat the living daylights out of you!"

Well, okay... so I like the idea a little...

now THAT.. that I could do. It's something I would have done, no matter how trivial. I could understand and enjoy that kind of play.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

And that's the key issue chatbug ... some of us consider the subject of punishment deadly serious.

If you're going to maintain trust and discipline, punishment has to be understood by both sides of the coin. In my book, that whole category becomes inviolate. You break a rule, you pay for it, either side of the coin.

What FU and vix elaborated upon doesn't fall under the punishment category. Tripping a pyl up for sadistic pleasure based on something the pyl did/didn't do ... ambrosia.

 

[Esclava]

<snip>Tripping a pyl up for sadistic pleasure based on something the pyl did/didn't do ... ambrosia.

Crap, I've been "tripped" so often for sadistic pleasure - I'm surprised I still know how to walk.

But that was in the days when I served a sadist.

Esclava

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

In my situation, my sub and I know certain things... my place is at the unwavering top arbiter or judge of what is and is not done. As such, punishment doesn't rely on "what's fair" or "warranted', but at my behest.

Were it above me, I would not be a Dom. I would be subserviant to something higher than myself--namely, the notion that punishment can only come by virtue of certain things.

It sounds terrible, I suppose, but in play... the idea is... she answers to me, I answer to nobody but myself.

Sometimes, I punish when nothing has gone wrong. A display of force? Authority? Its understood that I am the arbiter of what is and isn't necessary.

 

[chatbug]

If you're going to maintain trust and discipline, punishment has to be understood by both sides of the coin.

I agree. As the top or dom I would have a hard time punishing a sub for something she didn't do or make a game out of punishment. I don't want to lose or abuse the trust.

But as the bottom, I find it interesting that I'm aroused by a domme punishing me for something someone else did or didn't do. Also, somewhat related, to be commanded to do something which contradicts an earlier command, and to be punished no matter how I respond.

I feel somewhat like vixenshe in that I'd want to argue with the domme about the contradiction. If she played me like this all the time, I'm not sure I could trust her.

But, at least for me, it's erotic to think about undeserved punishment and have a domme punish me once in a while.

FungiUg's example seems like arbitrary punishment. What I'm thinking about is more like:

"You fucking slut, where's the mail?"

"But Sir, it hasn't been delivered yet."

"Don't talk back to me, bitch. On your knees, and clip these clothespins on your nipples. They come off when you bring me the mail."

I have to wonder if she'd want to bite the ankle of the postman when he finally delivers the mail.

Thanks for your comments.

Hello back to rosco rathbone. I lurk and read what people have to say, and when I have something to add to the conversation, I join in.

 

[Esclava]

<---Enduring a flash back!!!!!!!

<snip>What I'm thinking about is more like:

"You fucking slut, where's the mail?"

"But Sir, it hasn't been delivered yet."

"Don't talk back to me, bitch. On your knees, and clip these clothespins on your nipples. They come off when you bring me the mail."

I have to wonder if she'd want to bite the ankle of the postman when he finally delivers the mail.

<snip>

OMG - I have been "punished" like this for the exact same reason. You sure you don't know my former?????

Esclava

 

[cellis]

I agree. As the top or dom I would have a hard time punishing a sub for something she didn't do or make a game out of punishment. I don't want to lose or abuse the trust.

But as the bottom, I find it interesting that I'm aroused by a domme punishing me for something someone else did or didn't do. Also, somewhat related, to be commanded to do something which contradicts an earlier command, and to be punished no matter how I respond.

I feel somewhat like vixenshe in that I'd want to argue with the domme about the contradiction. If she played me like this all the time, I'm not sure I could trust her.

But, at least for me, it's erotic to think about undeserved punishment and have a domme punish me once in a while.

FungiUg's example seems like arbitrary punishment. What I'm thinking about is more like:

"You fucking slut, where's the mail?"

"But Sir, it hasn't been delivered yet."

"Don't talk back to me, bitch. On your knees, and clip these clothespins on your nipples. They come off when you bring me the mail."

I have to wonder if she'd want to bite the ankle of the postman when he finally delivers the mail.

Thanks for your comments.

Hello back to rosco rathbone. I lurk and read what people have to say, and when I have something to add to the conversation, I join in.

Hello Chatbug!

It is nice to see you!

I do agree there is a certain amount of eroticism in the punishment scene you describe but I tend to put it more in the mindfuck category.

I am one who knows she is to be punished for wrong doing, perceived or real... The other... ie... being to prepare something a certain way.... not thinking beyond the stated desires of the Sir or Ma'am as the case may be... I consider that a mind fuck...

 

[shy slave]

If I wanted to punish her I would, I don't think there is any reason to make up a reason.

He never has to make up a reason, I have a quirky sense of humour and it often gets the better of me, especially in public.

In my fantasies he has to make up a reason to punish me, but due to my verbal repartee it will probably only ever be fantasy!!!

Even constantly chanting 'I will be good' can be said sarcastically and another punishment heads my way

 

[alonelygal]

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[enigma nocturne]

this is a dreaded I totally agree post..

The thing is, when you are goofing around and playing, such punishments are cool..

"Oh no! Wench! You used a blue elastic to bind your braid witha red shirt."

That is fun.

But when it comes to trust, and serious punishment, I would have an issue. For instance, a young lady in our local club, ordered chinese take away for dinner. She gives excellent directions, but the delivery guy (who had been to the house before) got confused and was late. He apologised and refunded the meal cause it took over an hour to arrive. The subbie chick got no dinner and a literally blistered butt because she should have called sooner and given better directions. She safworded, her PYL ignored it cause this was punishment, not play. Punishment that is undeserved may be a hot fantasy and a great roleplay, but irl, it crosses into abuse and is wrong.

Just my opinion.

(yes, she left her PYL, who has been pretty much ostracised(sp) from our organisation cause she crossed the line.)

 

[fallon2]

Interesting thread

I love role playing and that as others have said is one thing. *smile* But to punish for no reason is wrong as it sends mixed signals. I will punish (strongly) a sub/slut for exactly that reason and possibly others. But I have never punished (nor will I) someone for "the hell of it" nor when I am mad.

 

[fallon2]

I forgot to add

I punish strongly for lying. I absolutely hate lying. I should have added that on my last post.

 

[FungiUg]

Re: <---Enduring a flash back!!!!!!!

OMG - I have been "punished" like this for the exact same reason. You sure you don't know my former?????

How do you know I'm NOT your former?

 

[chatbug]

Re: <---Enduring a flash back!!!!!!!

OMG - I have been "punished" like this for the exact same reason. You sure you don't know my former?????

No, I don't believe I know your former, but great minds think alike.

How did you feel being punished for not bringing the mail? Did you feel like it was your fault, or not?

 

[Esclava]

Re: Re: <---Enduring a flash back!!!!!!!

No, I don't believe I know your former, but great minds think alike.

How did you feel being punished for not bringing the mail? Did you feel like it was your fault, or not?

I felt like it was not my fault because mail delivery was something completely out of my hands. The arbitrary punishment - I'll say it - pissed me off and I walked around sullen for the next 45 minutes until the mail finally came. To make it worse, the mail was late due to bad weather. How much more out of my control could that situation have been?

When this happened, my trust in my former to take care of my emotional well-being as his submissive was already in shreds. When he released me from the pins, he asked why I had no expressions of love/appreciation for him and his care of me - and I told him how I really felt - which earned me a belting (beating with a belt - not being punched).

Oh, it is difficult to relive ... but in his "care", I became a much stronger person.

Esclava

 

[Esclava]

Re: Re: <---Enduring a flash back!!!!!!!

How do you know I'm NOT your former?

FungiUg, you could not possibly be my former - he was not literate.

You, on the other hand, have literary balls. The more I read of what you write, the more I like the way they taste rolling around in my mouth.

Esclava

 

[AngelicAssassin]

The subbie chick got no dinner and a literally blistered butt because she should have called sooner ...

i take it lack of attention to detail doesn't fall under the category of punishable behavior? How much time does the meal normally take to arrive? i will say this. No dinner sounded like an ideal punishment.

i won't begrudge the pyl her safeword. In fact, it sounds like this pair had other issues. Had i been unfortunate enough to been in the PYL's place i would have demanded a discussion of expectations.

 

[Ms_Lilith]

forgive me, but what does PYL mean? I've been reading it throughout this thread, and feel confused by that.

 

[Esclava]

PYL = Pick Your Label (Master, Mistress, Dom/me, etc.)
pyl = pick your label (slave, submissive, slut, etc.)

It is how ever you describe yourself and your place in the universe.

Esclava