Underage Character

[EricasDreams]

I have been exploring a really hot fantasy lately, not particularly original, and am considering using it as a basis for a story. It involves a 30-something woman, recalling her experience as a 15-year old girl witnessing her widowed mother being roughly fucked by the handyman. The daughter plays no part in the sexual activity, other than as a voyeur, and the mother and her lover have no idea she is watching. Of course, the woman would recount the feelings and arousal she had as she watched her mother driven to lust and ecstasy. Anybody have any hunch if this would be permitted?

-EvH

 

[blozo]

Just make her 18. Not much different.

 

[NotWise]

The daughter plays no part in the sexual activity, other than as a voyeur, and the mother and her lover have no idea she is watching

Voyeurism is sexual activity. The character must be past her eighteenth birthday. You might also be able to write it so the age is ambiguous as long as you characterize the girl as looking and acting adult.

 

[EricasDreams]

Ambiguous Will Work

Voyeurism is sexual activity. The character must be past her eighteenth birthday. You might also be able to write it so the age is ambiguous as long as you characterize the girl as looking and acting adult.

Thanks for the clarification. I intend the girl to discover her mother’s encounter accidentally, and then to be unable to break away, transfixed. I think I will follow your advice and make her age ambiguous. I will describe her as in high school, and many kids are 18 when they graduate. Thanks again!

-EvH

 

[CuteSlaveLisa]

My 3 part story The Family Frizz has two college aged siblings visiting thier divorced father's home where they inadvertently discover him playing with a playmate...

Besides Voyeur, other tags are BDSM and Sibling Incest/Taboo.

Love and Kisses

Lisa Ann

 

[rescatooor]

Thanks for the clarification. I intend the girl to discover her mother’s encounter accidentally, and then to be unable to break away, transfixed. I think I will follow your advice and make her age ambiguous. I will describe her as in high school, and many kids are 18 when they graduate. Thanks again!

-EvH

Might not fly. Laurel might send it back because it doesn't explicitly say that she is over 18. Might even be a good idea to put in a disclaimer at the beginning clarifying that everyone is, indeed, 18 and up.

 

[NotWise]

Might not fly. Laurel might send it back because it doesn't explicitly say that she is over 18. Might even be a good idea to put in a disclaimer at the beginning clarifying that everyone is, indeed, 18 and up.

There is no requirement that the story say explicitly that the character is over eighteen. Even if you add a disclaimer to that effect, Laurel wouldn't have a reason to believe it. Mine usually do not specify a character's age, though most of the time you can piece the age together from clues in the story. My characters are all over eighteen when they have sex; the youngest are usually in or recently out of college.

The high school reference is okay, but only if she's a senior in high school.

I'd say that if you want to start telling the story when the character is fifteen, then it probably won't fly. Your best bet is to have the character recall the event some time when she's over eighteen. Even then, it needs to be a brief mention. No detailed description is allowed.

The "over eighteen" rule can be at least slightly flexible, but some story ideas just aren't meant for Lit.

 

[JerseyJade]

We're not even allowed to talk about having sex under the age of 18 on the boards. Like if someone asks a question, "How old were you when you first had sex," most likely someone will answer 18 or older even if it's not true. So if admitting you had sex under the age of 18 just to answer a silly question isn't allowed, I'm pretty sure writing a story about it or even just make a small reference to that would go against LIT's policy. I'm not Laurel though, so what do I know?

 

[Handley_Page]

Thanks for the clarification. I intend the girl to discover her mother’s encounter accidentally, and then to be unable to break away, transfixed. I think I will follow your advice and make her age ambiguous. I will describe her as in high school, and many kids are 18 when they graduate. Thanks again!

-EvH

Make it Very Clear that the voyeur is "over 18"

 

[blozo]

The phrase "late in her senior year" has flown for me in the past.

 

[KeithD]

The high school reference is okay, but only if she's a senior in high school.

It may pass into the file, but let's get real, putting the character in high school with the technical fact that a senior may be eighteen is still an attempt to play the underage card--to, wink, wink, put that in the reader's mind. That's fine with me. That's trying to circumvent the Web site's purpose of the rule, however.

 

[NotWise]

It may pass into the file, but let's get real, putting the character in high school with the technical fact that a senior may be eighteen is still an attempt to play the underage card--to, wink, wink, put that in the reader's mind. That's fine with me. That's trying to circumvent the Web site's purpose of the rule, however.

Maybe, but somewhere in the site's compilation of advice there's a post by Laurel (which I've not been able to find recently) that said the character needed to be eighteen, or at least a senior in high school.

There are a lot of details that come down to how a story is written that blur the lines. The site's guidance under "Submission Guidelines" is:

For the purposes of this site, the minimum legal age is 18. This site does not publish stories, articles, essays, or other material supporting, encouraging, or defending child abuse and/or exploitation.

Where is the better statement of the site's policy?

The statement in "Submission Guidelines" makes the site's intent very clear. But, unless there's a clearer statement somewhere, the rule itself is subject to a lot of interpretation. Precedent is also confusing, since it's very difficult for the site to enforce the concept uniformly. The site depends on offended readers reporting stories, which doesn't seem to happen very often.

 

[KeithD]

Maybe, but somewhere in the site's compilation of advice there's a post by Laurel (which I've not been able to find recently) that said the character needed to be eighteen, or at least a senior in high school.

My comment wasn't about Laurel's advice; it was about what the author was really trying to evoke. Those aren't the same thing. So, your post is irrelevant to mine.

 

[NotWise]

My comment wasn't about Laurel's advice; it was about what the author was really trying to evoke. Those aren't the same thing. So, your post is irrelevant to mine.

So was your post personal commentary unrelated to site policy?

 

[KeithD]

So was your post personal commentary unrelated to site policy?

Yep. It was about being honest in writer intent. So, it was about a writer toying with the age depiction. I thought what I wrote was pretty clearly stated.

 

[SamScribble]

I have this idea for a story. The main character is a seven-year-old princess. It starts with the princess playing on a trampoline in the royal garden. There is an accident. The princess hits her head and immediately falls into a coma. While she is in the coma, she has rampant tentacle sex with a soft-bodied, eight-limbed mollusc of the order Octopoda from the planet Yuurgh. (I don’t know much about tentacle sex, so I shall have to swot up on that. Actually, I don’t know much about the planet Yuurgh either.) And then the princess wakes up. And she can’t remember anything about the accident or the subsequent coma. And she certainly can’t remember anything about the extra-terrestrial octopus.

What do you think, girls and boys?

No? Oh, OK then. I just thought that I’d get it in there before we finally, for once and for all, abandoned all these looney-tune ideas for sneaking underage sex stories under Lit’s radar. OK?

PS. For those of you who missed the previous 400 messages, the lovely Laurel says: No sex for characters under the age of 18. OK?

 

[KeithD]

I think some folks legitimately don't realize that voyeurism at any age is still a sex act.

 

[AfterDusk]

I think some folks legitimately don't realize that voyeurism at any age is still a sex act.

I second this

 

[CuteSlaveLisa]

I think some folks legitimately don't realize that voyeurism at any age is still a sex act.

Doesn't it depend on whether your watching oral or PiV?

"I did not watch him have sex with that woman." ;-)

Love and Kisses

Lisa Ann

 

[ElectricBlue]

No? Oh, OK then. I just thought that I’d get it in there before we finally, for once and for all, abandoned all these looney-tune ideas for sneaking underage sex stories under Lit’s radar. OK?

Tentacles, Sam? That's not your usual territory .

 

[Handley_Page]

I have this idea for a story. The main character is a seven-year-old princess. It starts with the princess playing on a trampoline in the royal garden. There is an accident. The princess hits her head and immediately falls into a coma. While she is in the coma, she has rampant tentacle sex with a soft-bodied, eight-limbed mollusc of the order Octopoda from the planet Yuurgh. (I don’t know much about tentacle sex, so I shall have to swot up on that. Actually, I don’t know much about the planet Yuurgh either.) And then the princess wakes up. And she can’t remember anything about the accident or the subsequent coma. And she certainly can’t remember anything about the extra-terrestrial octopus.

What do you think, girls and boys?

No? Oh, OK then. I just thought that I’d get it in there before we finally, for once and for all, abandoned all these looney-tune ideas for sneaking underage sex stories under Lit’s radar. OK?

PS. For those of you who missed the previous 400 messages, the lovely Laurel says: No sex for characters under the age of 18. OK?

How very Japanese, Sam.

 

[_Lynn_]

This is a reply Laurel posted in 2012.



Originally Posted by Laurel

Hi writers!

For clarification and future reference: we do allow characters under the age of 18 in stories. What we don't allow are stories in which characters under the age of 18 are involved in sexual situations. This includes as voyeurs, as the object of a voyeur, masturbation, having sexual thoughts, and so on.

We do allow references to past activity in stories so long as it is not explicit. For example, an adult character referencing his or her history - "I lost my virginity when I was 15" - is fine. Explicit and/or salacious details are not.

These are not new rules nor have our content rules changed in many years.

As far as things slipping through: one thing to realize is that the stories are not approved by a robot or script. They are approved by human eyes, which tire easily as I age. Every story must be formatted; tags, title, and description checked; and skimmed for content issues. The daily update takes hours. If I could find a way to do all this properly with a script, I would. But in the last 12+ years, the only way to do things right is to do it by hand, so to speak.

Mistakes happen. The site has been on a huge growth streak in the past year, with readership & unique visitors up nearly 20%. This means a corresponding growth in submissions. We want to post stories to the site as quickly as possible for you authors. We also want to make sure that the updates are as top-quality as they can be - with a minimum of formatting errors and no forbidden content inadvertently posted. Thorough checking of stories and timely posting is a balance we will continue to work to get right.

I'd like to be able to read every story through, but I can't. Reading 100+ stories/novels a night - much less formatting, tagging, etc. - is just not possible. So, if while skimming I see something that sends up a red flag and further reading doesn't clarify things, I often send it back to the author. If I stopped and read through each novel we receive to check on whether an underage character is sexually active at any point, I would be even further behind than I already am.

When a story is sent back to you for any reason, this is not a final rejection and it is not meant to be taken personally. This just means we have issues or questions. You are free to resubmit either with corrections - or, if you think we're wrong, an explanation of why we're wrong in the NOTES field.

If you believe your story was rejected in error, please open the submission, respond to the rejection in the NOTES field of the submission, and hit SUBMIT. Please do not add the word EDITED to the title, as that denotes someone editing an already approved story. Since we process all edits after the new stories are posted, adding the word EDITED to a title will cause a delay in the posting of your new story. If you are submitting an edit of a rejected story, simply open the rejected form, make the changes in that form, and hit SUBMIT. Do not start a new submission.

If you have any questions, feel free to PM me anytime. PMs are faster than emails.

Thanks everybody, especially those who let me know about this thread - and have a great weekend!

 

[NotWise]

This is a reply Laurel posted in 2012.

Thanks, Lynn.

 

[gordo12]

I have this idea for a story. The main character is a seven-year-old princess. It starts with the princess playing on a trampoline in the royal garden. There is an accident. The princess hits her head and immediately falls into a coma. While she is in the coma, she has rampant tentacle sex with a soft-bodied, eight-limbed mollusc of the order Octopoda from the planet Yuurgh. (I don’t know much about tentacle sex, so I shall have to swot up on that. Actually, I don’t know much about the planet Yuurgh either.) And then the princess wakes up. And she can’t remember anything about the accident or the subsequent coma. And she certainly can’t remember anything about the extra-terrestrial octopus.

Tentacles, Sam? That's not your usual territory .

Hmm did Hypoxia hijack his account?