julybaby04
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Interesting Thread.
"... under God"
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And paying for all that Liberal BS in schools that has NOTHING to do w/education is right?
Sean
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And paying for all that Liberal BS in schools that has NOTHING to do w/education is right?
What liberal bullshit would that be?
I did bring up a very touchy topic didn't I?
Okay, since I did that, the next time I come to the GB I'll start a thread about it. There's sooooo much waste of tax dollars on public schools that people turn a blind eye to, it's unbelievable.
Right now, I'm pressed for time to be elsewhere. If you'd like, I'll PM you when I post it. Fair enough for now?
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That's what I thought. Run along little boy.
Tryharder62
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Well the thing is it was put in there. I do see the point you are trying to make. We are not praying to God when we say the pledge though.
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So?
But we are professing faith in God. Clearly not the same thing as studying a religion.
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Forcing me to say I believe in ghosts, which I don't, in order to acknowledge that I am a patriot, which I am, seems unreasonable to me. Counterintuative.
Forcing me to pay more taxes so that those who believe in ghosts can pay less, now THAT is damn unpatriotic!!
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Tryharder62
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No you don't have to say it to be patriotic. We live in a country that was founded so people could have their own beliefs. You can change the tax code. It won't change for me that this is one nation under God. It may get taken out of the pledge but it will not be taken out of my heart.
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No you don't have to say it to be patriotic. We live in a country that was founded so people could have their own beliefs. You can change the tax code. It won't change for me that this is one nation under God. It may get taken out of the pledge but it will not be taken out of my heart.
And I completely respect that. But that still doesn't mean we shouldn't take it out of the pledge.
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This.
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I can see what you are saying, I really can. To be honest it is just scary as a believer to see these things taken away one by one. Where does it stop? Being put in prison for talking about your faith ? It's a slippery slope. I believe you have every right not to believe, but I have the right to my beliefs too.
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I already provided the counterargument to this absurdity, and its pretty airtight.
Basically, there's NO "argument" for the atheists' intolerance in this case however like many things in our courts and politics today having the superior logical and legal argument doesn't necessarily matter. It will pretty much come down to whether the atheist radicals in the courts have the power and the will to impose this. Its a political question, there's no rational defense of the "argument" in favor of this intolerance and censorship other than hatred of theism and/or a desire to formally make athiesm the sole state religion (which is the real goal of course).
Basically, there's NO "argument" for the atheists' intolerance in this case however like many things in our courts and politics today having the superior logical and legal argument doesn't necessarily matter. It will pretty much come down to whether the atheist radicals in the courts have the power and the will to impose this. Its a political question, there's no rational defense of the "argument" in favor of this intolerance and censorship other than hatred of theism and/or a desire to formally make athiesm the sole state religion (which is the real goal of course).
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The Christian Broadcasting Corporation is a tax-exempt group, and they spew all sorts of political commentary, religious wheedling and plain crap like this:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/pat-robe...-deliberately-spread-hiv-cbn-scrubs-evidence/
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/pat-robe...-deliberately-spread-hiv-cbn-scrubs-evidence/
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EducatedOwl
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I can see what you are saying, I really can. To be honest it is just scary as a believer to see these things taken away one by one. Where does it stop? Being put in prison for talking about your faith ? It's a slippery slope. I believe you have every right not to believe, but I have the right to my beliefs too.
Taking God out of the pledge reaffirms that the government can't tell people what to believe, that they can't put you in prison for having a particular faith.
You were talking earlier about wanting it both ways. You can't give the government to the power to compel children to acknowledge one particular God and still have the freedom to worship as you choose; you have to pick one or the other. A government with the power to tell people what to believe might one day turn that power on you.
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No dumbass...it's to make sure no religion becomes the state religion
if you allow Jesus into the classroom..you have to allow Buddah, Allah, Elvis ( yes, there is a church of Elvis) and every other religion... a morning paryer should only last 4 to 6 hours if you get your way
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I think you either have to go with separation of church and state or not. If you do, the having the words "under god" in a mandated creed is wrong. But requiring tax money from religious institutions is also wrong. If you don't (and you're wrong), then religion can fairly be included into a carriculum and religious institutions should also be taxed.
Your call.
Your call.
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I recited the Pledge every school day and some other days too for eight years. We always saluted the flag, but never like that. The salute was the right hand over the heart, and teachers and students used this.
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really - ?
NBC broadcast some kids saying the Pledge, omitted the "under God" part in the broadcast and had 50,000 Christians screaming bloody murder that is was unpatriotic to omit from the broadcast.
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I favor it but favor free speech more.
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...the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion....
passed by congress 72% to 28% and signed in to law by the president.
I don't have a problem with tax exemption for religious organizations, provided all get equal treatment and no money goes to any political purpose or campaigning. Of course that would end it for the CBN and others, but that would be good.
passed by congress 72% to 28% and signed in to law by the president.
I don't have a problem with tax exemption for religious organizations, provided all get equal treatment and no money goes to any political purpose or campaigning. Of course that would end it for the CBN and others, but that would be good.
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How do you feel about tax exempt status for atheistic organizations? Say for example, a theme park dedicated to science and reason getting tax free status?
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