Ultra Passive Auxilary Verbs.

[NOIRTRASH]

I bristle when I see ultra passive auxiliary verbs in prose.

Example: COULD YOU PLEASE SIGN HERE, is often substituted for PLEASE SIGN HERE. PLEASE SIGN HERE is clear and direct direction, the other is a passive request. Its better to use auxiliary verbs when there is doubt about an outcome or your nature is passive. Beta personalities use auxiliary verbs, alphas do not. I'm not surprised when alpha's says SIGN! or SIGH HERE! Beta's plead.

I read somewhere auxiliary verbs exist to depict passive characters.

 

[Penuche]

It's cultural - in some languages, you use "please", "thank you", "would you", and "could you", where other languages are a lot more Klingon and see all such things as useless bits of trimming.

English-speaking Indians (and the same goes for some Africans) speak fluent enough English, and have beautiful manners by the standards of their homeland, but in the UK they'd be regarded as rude and abrupt for apparenly trying to order people around.

 

[TxRad]

It's cultural - in some languages, you use "please", "thank you", "would you", and "could you", where other languages are a lot more Klingon and see all such things as useless bits of trimming.

English-speaking Indians (and the same goes for some Africans) speak fluent enough English, and have beatiful manners by the standards of their homeland, but in the UK they'd be regarded as rude and abrupt for apparenly trying to order people around.

JBJ has no idea what you are talking about. Manners are as alien to him as the dark side of the moon.

He's all about shock and awe. He's a troll. A well read troll but still a troll. It's his way, everyone else is stupid in his opinion.

 

[Penuche]

JBJ has no idea what you are talking about. Manners are as alien to him as the dark side of the moon.

He's all about shock and awe. He's a troll. A well read troll but still a troll. It's his way, everyone else is stupid in his opinion.

Thanks, for the heads up - many a morning I've eaten half a dozen worse trolls than him for breakfast.

 

[GoldenCojones]

Thanks, for the heads up - many a morning I've eaten half a dozen worse trolls than him for breakfast.

Those weren't trolls, my dear, those were Fruit Loops

But JBJ does have a point. "Please sign here", while courteous, is not passive. Pre-pending the "Could you" reworks the phrase to a passive phrase. The, almost hidden, gist of his post seemed to me to be that you could use passive phrases to build character. If you have a character who is passive by nature, you could use passive phrases in their dialog to help cement that concept. Especially if you juxtaposed it against an assertive character who was consistently and decidedly not passive in their word choice.

 

[DesEsseintes]

In socio-linguistics, it's a known phenomenon called hyper-politeness.

 

[lovecraft68]

In socio-linguistics, it's a known phenomenon called hyper-politeness.

I'm from RI we wouldn't even know what "hyper politeness" means.

People say New Yorkers and Bostonians can be rude, but come spend some time here.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

JBJ has no idea what you are talking about. Manners are as alien to him as the dark side of the moon.

He's all about shock and awe. He's a troll. A well read troll but still a troll. It's his way, everyone else is stupid in his opinion.

Most grammarians go with the politeness spin, like it isn't incongruent and doesn't express a false ambivalence. I cant imagine Josef Mengele saying ,COULD YOU GO THE RIGHT PLEASE? What he said was RIGHT! and LEFT!

 

[SusanJillParker]

I'm from RI we wouldn't even know what "hyper politeness" means.

People say New Yorkers and Bostonians can be rude, but come spend some time here.

Being from Boston, I view anyone who's too polite as shifty. I don't trust them. They're up to something. I'd rather someone be upfront and talk to me in a more active voice instead of a passive one.

Instead of a man asking, "Please, if you don't mind, would you take me in your mouth? Would you suck me? Would you blow me? May I cum in your mouth? And if it's not too much trouble, would you swallow?"

Being that I'm not really looking to have a conversation at this point where I'm forced to politely answer questions, I'd rather have a man grab a whole handful of my blonde hair and tell me what he really wants in less words.

"Get on your knees Bitch!"

Wow! That works for me.

 

[DesEsseintes]

Being from Boston, I view anyone who's too polite as shifty. I don't trust them. They're up to something. I'd rather someone be upfront and talk to me in a more active voice instead of a passive one.

Instead of a man asking, "Please, if you don't mind, would you take me in your mouth? Would you suck me? Would you blow me? May I cum in your mouth? And if it's not too much trouble, would you swallow?"

Being that I'm not really looking to have a conversation at this point where I'm forced to politely answer questions, I'd rather have a man grab a whole handful of my blonde hair and tell me what he really wants in less words.

"Get on your knees Bitch!"

Wow! That works for me.

There are, of course, more formal situations than that of the blowjob.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

JBJ is no troll. i once thought he was, but revised my opinion.

he's a cantankerous cunt, but so is my mother.

these days i listen when JBJ speaks. one doesn't have to take notice of anything he says, but just listening can be fun.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

It's cultural - in some languages, you use "please", "thank you", "would you", and "could you", where other languages are a lot more Klingon and see all such things as useless bits of trimming.

English-speaking Indians (and the same goes for some Africans) speak fluent enough English, and have beatiful manners by the standards of their homeland, but in the UK they'd be regarded as rude and abrupt for apparenly trying to order people around.

you're new, you'll learn - or maybe you won't.

 

[SusanJillParker]

There are, of course, more formal situations than that of the blowjob.

Yes, I agree with you, of course, but sometimes, I'd much rather wear jeans and a sweatshirt when sucking cock instead of wearing my ball gown and tiara.

"I like it when Susan sucks my cock but it's always a big deal. It's never impulsive or spontaneous. She must always wear her ball gown as if she going to a prom or is a bridesmaid at a wedding. Then, she can never find her tiara. By the time she's ready, I'm sleeping."

 

[49greg]

The first thing I thought about when I read the OP was the interactions between my brothers and myself, and sometimes my mom when my bothers and I were in our bratty phase of growing up.

If we were asked, "Could you do such-and-such", our answer was an automatic, "yes, I could." And then would continue doing what I was doing.

Because in our minds the question wasn't specifically asking us to do something, just asking if it was possible for us to do it. And being assholes we would insist that if mom or another brother wanted us to do something he/she better damn well just ask for it or tell us and not pussy foot around the question.

We were a terrible trial for our parents.

 

[sr71plt]

do not. I'm not surprised when alpha's says SIGN! or SIGH HERE! Beta's plead.

I read somewhere auxiliary verbs exist to depict passive characters.

In which case using it in dialogue by a passive-personality character would be just fine, right?

 

[HandsInTheDark]

If we were asked, "Could you do such-and-such", our answer was an automatic, "yes, I could." And then would continue doing what I was doing.

I did that once. When my father was done with me, I'd decided I wouldn't do it again, ever.