UK bad for kids?

Liar

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The actual issue aside, I have two things to say:

1. Idiot headline writer. It's the western world.
2. Enough with the "czar" thing already. For fuck's sake!


On the actual issue:
I dunno, it seems like the same sensationalist alarmist parade every institution tries to pull to get more fundings.

And the guy's solutions to the problem seems kinda weird. What kids need, other than stable family situations of course, is not a dog-and-pony show of "takeover day" and mock participation in society, but persistent local suppport structures. Clubs, youth cafes, study aides, after school events, neighborhoods and towns that doesn't close for anyone under 18 years old at ten o'clock... And if it's anything like here, those things have been rationalized out of existance over the last two decades.

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Britain is one of the worst places in the world to bring up children, says Blair advisor
17.05.07
Sir Al-Aynsley-Green

Tony Blair's children's czar has condemned Britain as one of the worst places in the western world to bring up children.

Youngsters face bullying at school and violence at home and on the streets, said Sir Al Aynsley-Green.

He warned there is "a crisis at the heart of our society" and said youngsters are being "demonised" by the adult population.

The criticism by the Children's Commissioner follows a UN report which found Britain is the worst country to bring up children among the 21 richest nations.

His attack introduced a five-year plan to ensure children lead better lives.

However most of its points centre on the work of the Commission and critics have described it a waste of money.

Sir Al, a 64-year-old former paediatrician and head of NHS children's services, was appointed by Mr Blair two years ago to hear complaints from children and guard their rights.

Introducing his plan yesterday, he said: "Children exist in a state of great uncertainty.

"They feel unsafe in the streets, they often have domestic violence at home and bullying in school.

"I am driven almost to despair when I see the awfulness of so many children's lives. Many people are just not seeing the problem."

He condemned the use of Asbos and the 'mosquito' device which clears gatherings by emitting a high-pitched noise audible only to young ears.

And he added: "We are one of the most child and young person unfriendly countries in the developed world."

He also blamed "endless testing" in school for contributing to children's unhappiness.

Sir Al has renamed his office "Eleven Million led by the Children's Commissioner for England", referring to the number of children in the country.

He promises a "summer planning event" in which children will guide commission policies and a "takeover day" when they will run adult organisations.

But critics accuse the commission - which spent £93,000 on its name and logo - of doing nothing worthwhile in return for its budget of more than £3million a year.

Patricia Morgan, author of a series of studies of children and the family, said: "This is entirely a waste of money. We have seen the same sort of organisations set up in countries such as Sweden, where they throw lots of parties in aid of diversity but don't have much else to do.

"The central problem for children in Britain is family stability but Sir Al doesn't seem to have anything to say about that."

The Commissioner's five-year plan was launched amid deepening arguments among political leaders about how the state should help families.

Mr Blair yesterday launched a 'fasbo' initiative to help expectant mothers steer their children away from crime even before they are born.

Gordon Brown is coming under pressure from some Labour figures to do more to support two-parent families and marriage.

Sir Al's five-year-plan made no mention of family structure or its impact on children.
 
:eek: I had no idea! I'm propose using this thread, right here and right now, for an impromptu therapy session for all the Brits on this forum.

:heart: It's all right, Brits. Don't hold back. Tell us what an awful place the U.K. was to grow up in, and how it traumatized you for life. I've put out the milk, cookies and tissues. I'm ready to say all the right things ("How awful! How terrible! Shocking!") Let it all out. We're here for you! :heart:
 
You know, I find myself agreeing with this "Czar" (you're right, Liar. Why?) about this. Yes, of course it would help most children if most families were more stable, but that is an incredibly difficult thing to do. I do think it is fair to say that the UK, more than most other developed and peaceful nations I've visited (Liar, you read this article the same way I did) is particularly anti-child.

The young people I see seem to be pressurised into growing up too fast, pressurised into conformity, and pressurised into seeing adults and society as a whole as a hostile place. This does not breed healthy adults.

What can we do? Well, not criminalising children would help. Not seeing every gathering of young people as a threat would help. Not allowing knives into schools seems like a good idea.

I haven't actually read anything of this guy's proposals beyond this article, my suspicion is that it has picked up on the more "spin" oriented of his stories. Ultimately, though, an articulate man is being given media space and government funding to speak out against ASBOs, bullying and over-testing of young people in Britain.

Isn't it about time?
 
I reckon, as usual, that there is some truth in this, but not for all children. Not for me, or my wife, nor my children.
It may depend on 'where' as well.
There are, without doubt, some areas of Edinburgh that this may apply to, as with any large city.
A lot of it comes down to the parents.

Er....

Ken, being serious.
 
I blame Thatcher.

That's the cut down version of a four page rant about a 'me first' policy, decimation of industry, privatisation of everything useful, decentralisation without planning, reduction of public spending to facilitate reduction in income tax the list goes on and on. And it's not just a political rant, honestly, we actually saw it coming but couldn't convince the 60s and 70s generations that didn't have any feel at all for the deprivations of the post war years but were unfortunately entranced by the 'brighter future' of post-post war Britain that seemed to be busting out spontaneously rather than through hard work.

It's their grandchildren that are reaping the rewards of that sand built freedom. And it's their children that brought it about.

(Add the fact that the German bombers didn't do a good enough job of erasing London and we move swiftly on to provincial/class politics)
 
gauchecritic said:
It's their grandchildren that are reaping the rewards of that sand built freedom. And it's their children that brought it about.

(Add the fact that the German bombers didn't do a good enough job of erasing London and we move swiftly on to provincial/class politics)
Patting Gauchecritic on the hand and offering her a cookie. "There, there, dear, I know. Such an awful place. How could your parents have thought to raise you there!"
 
3113 said:
Patting Gauchecritic on the hand and offering her a cookie. "There, there, dear, I know. Such an awful place. How could your parents have thought to raise you there!"

I'm a 50's child, life was sweet then. My family are mostly working class (sociologically middle) and all the grandkids, kids etc are fine upstanding examples of a hard background shining through mild adversity.

It's the one's left behind by governments not thinking things through that are suffering. It makes me weep.
 
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