Typical Microsoft

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aCwEYNK1HRgw&refer=home

THIS IS SOOO LIKE MICROSOFT.

When Bill Gates first started crafting computer software he began with the box, then moved to the hype, and eventually got around to the software. Its how he does it. He almost never starts with whats inside the carton.

 

[jomar]

I skipped Vista because of the gripe.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

JOMAR

Longhorn, Vista same-o same-o

 

[DeeZire]

The amount of money lost in productivity due to Windows dysfunctionality would probably pay off the national debt. Starting from day one, MS Dos applications were inferior to Mac applications, but Bill Gates won the marketing war, and the rest is history.

I remember one year at a trade show when Bill Gates was showing off the latest Windows OS and his computer crashed. It's all smoke and mirrors with that guy, combined with some pretty ruthless business practices.

The upside - I don't have to worry about viruses on my Mac, and I never have to deal with crashes, or installing drivers for peripherals.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

DEE ZIRE

Bill Gates bullshit goes back to the first teeny weeny hobbyist 'computer' kit. Till Gates came along hobbyists had to program the 'computer' with switch settings. Well Bill came up with the idea of using BASIC, which some university had created. So Gates packaged BASIC for sale to the hobbyists, and of course it didnt work.

He always does the box, ads, and promotion first.

 

[jomar]

JOMAR

Longhorn, Vista same-o same-o

But 7 will be shiny!


I'd go to mac except for some software that has me locked into pc's. Can't justify using windows on a mac.

 

[tolyk]

The amount of money lost in productivity due to Windows dysfunctionality would probably pay off the national debt. Starting from day one, MS Dos applications were inferior to Mac applications, but Bill Gates won the marketing war, and the rest is history.

I remember one year at a trade show when Bill Gates was showing off the latest Windows OS and his computer crashed. It's all smoke and mirrors with that guy, combined with some pretty ruthless business practices.

The upside - I don't have to worry about viruses on my Mac, and I never have to deal with crashes, or installing drivers for peripherals.

See, funny thing about that virus claim is the more Mac users say it, the more it eggs on the dumbshit hackers that make viruses. They exist for Mac's now, and they hit much harder since Mac doesn't have as much history protecting against viruses.

 

[xssve]

The Story of Microsoft

This paragraph is: The Story of Microsoft

"When (Windows X) went on sale in (X), more than (many) years later than planned (announced), customers found the operating system ran slowly and crashed. Many programs wouldn't work, including some produced by Microsoft. Amid delays and decisions to yank features, computer makers moved slowly to design machines and programs tailored to the new software".

 

[trysail]

I have no particular love for Microsoft; I distinctly recall watching in stunned disbelief as the lemmings lined up to buy Windows95 ( just as that loudmouth buffoon Ballmer manipulated them like a snake charmer ). My employer tried to force Win95 down my throat and I told 'em, "Nothing doing."

I was the next-to-last user of Lotus 1-2-3 (v. 2.2) in the world and eventually had no choice over the matter. Notwithstanding all of the above, I will say that Excel is an excellent and lovely piece of software. It took me a couple of years of daily, intense usage (and frustration) to finally master all of its intricacies— but the effort proved well worthwhile.

 

[xssve]

Oh fucking please, all through the Linux/monopolistic practices debate back in the Nineties every forum on the fucking internet was chogged up with pro MS shills, and the reasons had nothing to do with the operating system or principle or anything else, it was people who had shitloads of MS stock in their portfolios and were hoping to retire early.

What I remember is that every wingnut in the country suddenly stopped being a capitalist and started being corporatist at that moment.

 

[xssve]

And that was, in many ways, the issue that was the turning point in this economy, it's been a long slide down ever since.

Profit over principle, the real "core" value.

 

[Katyusha]

And that was, in many ways, the issue that was the turning point in this economy, it's been a long slide down ever since.

Profit over principle, the real "core" value.

That mentality came about in the eighties though, when Wall Street first became god.

 

[R. Richard]

See, funny thing about that virus claim is the more Mac users say it, the more it eggs on the dumbshit hackers that make viruses. They exist for Mac's now, and they hit much harder since Mac doesn't have as much history protecting against viruses.

It's amusing to see people write that THEIR operating system doesn't have an viruses. As fast as an operating system gets to be popular enough, some asshole develops a virus [or three] for it. Then, some other asshole tries to outdo the first asshole.

However, I don't believe in the death penalty for those who develop or spread viruses. No, the penalty for that sort of thing needs to include a lot of torture.

 

[tolyk]

It's amusing to see people write that THEIR operating system doesn't have an viruses. As fast as an operating system gets to be popular enough, some asshole develops a virus [or three] for it. Then, some other asshole tries to outdo the first asshole.

However, I don't believe in the death penalty for those who develop or spread viruses. No, the penalty for that sort of thing needs to include a lot of torture.

I pretty much agree on the torture part. But I still laugh whenever I hear (or see) people say "My system is invinsible."

 

[DeeZire]

I pretty much agree on the torture part. But I still laugh whenever I hear (or see) people say "My system is invinsible."

Let me rephrase my earlier statement: My system is much less vulnerable than Windows. And works better.

Clarification on viruses - don't you need to open an attachment to enable a virus? Or download something from a P2P network?

 

[tolyk]

Let me rephrase my earlier statement: My system is much less vulnerable than Windows. And works better.

Clarification on viruses - don't you need to open an attachment to enable a virus? Or download something from a P2P network?

Not always. Viruses can be as simple as malicious cookies from a bad website. P2P networks aren't exclusively virus ridden, viruses just sometimes tag along for the share.

Mac's are less vulnerable because until rather recently hackers have been content affecting the larger PC population. If their virus hits 10% of all PC users, it's a considerable amount of people. 10% of Mac users.. well.. is that even enough to make a hockey team out of?

 

[Liar]

Wht irks me bout Microsoft is that they actually DO make some pretty good operating systems. For corporate networks and servers.

Then they take that, take out all the useful parts, bloat it with crap, and stick it to us consumers with the ugly step-children named Vista and XP. Not even by our choice, but by massive rollout in every new laptop.

As long as they can get away with it, it's brilliant marketing strategy. Makes people buy the new bloated stuff early. Because the last bloated stuff gives them a headche.

If Apple stopped hogging OS X to bleed consumers' wallets with their hardware, it would dominate the market by now. Granted it's a bit bloated too ltely, but much less so.

 

[emap]

Vista has gotten better, it's early problem was simply the stuff supposed to be Vista compatible wasn't, so every computer packaged and sold for the first 2-3 years had major problems. We had the misfortune of having to use one for a couple weeks, harddrive died and didn't have the cash on hand to replace immediately so we sorta hijacked that piece of crap.

Has a geforce 5300 in it. Plenty of memory and a dual core but because of the video card that isn't really compatible it didn't work worth a crap. Funny thing to, there is a 64 bit version of explorer that you can't use for anything but text, at least on that computer. Video's and pictures the software used to see those, isn't compatible with the 64x explorer.

Which is the big problem with Vista, the changes made to the operating system take a while to get out there to the companies that do internet sites. Not to mention the companies making the hardware. XP had the same problem when it came out, not as bad since it's more or less the same as 98 with a supposedly better system built under it. Better being a rather personal opinion thing.

 

[cloudy]

XP had the same problem when it came out, not as bad since it's more or less the same as 98 with a supposedly better system built under it. Better being a rather personal opinion thing.

XP is massively different from 98.

98 had those random "has experienced an error" messages that 98 threw out there at least once or twice a day. I've yet to see XP do the same thing.

 

[xssve]

It's commonly believed that Gates stole the Linux kernal for XP.

 

[Safe_Bet]

It's commonly believed that Gates stole the Linux kernal for XP.

Commonly believed by whom?

 

[xssve]

Why, anyone that know what goes on inside Black boxes.

 

[emap]

Well yeah XP doesn't have the blue screen of death, it's green now.

Granted it works better, though Vista worked just as well as XP on a computer not actually capable of running it right. Had problems with games mostly, which you would have with an underpowered video card anyway.

I didn't like Vista, because it has a most annoyingly childish look to the start menu and such. Even reverting it to the classic look kept the start button as a big button like you would find on a toddler game.

 

[Liar]

It's commonly believed that Gates stole the Linux kernal for XP.

How do you steal an open source kernel?

 

[xssve]

That mentality came about in the eighties though, when Wall Street first became god.

Technically true, but my statement is based on the observation that that was the last real instance of popular resistance to the notion that principles are only as important than the numbers in your portfolio. Things were being said about supply side economics, policy debates were occuring in the media and on the street, even if not everybody was listening.

Now, even after the recent unpleasantness, the price of gas drops and the whole thing is yesterdays news - a few years from now, the whole thing will happen again.

And, in many ways, the mortgage meltdown is a direct result of Microsoft's monopolistic practices, which killed the third party software industry leaving venture capitalists looking for something else to invest in besides tech issues - remember the "New Economy"? Haven't heard that phrase in a while.

It was supposed to replace the automobile/manufacturing industries that formed the core economy for decades. What we got instead is the new, new economy, the bubble economy.