Two teens shot dead in home invasion

[Songcatcher]

Teenagers nowadays usually end up with extremely long prison sentences before they turn 20 due to being convicted of multiple felonies which usually include the following.

1. Narcotics possession (usually Marijuana)
2. Aggravated assault.
3. Assault with a deadly weapon.
4. Statutory rape.
5. Participating in gang activities.
6. Grand theft.
7. DUI.
8. Reckless driving.
9. Driving without a license.
10. Rape.
11. Murder (usually gang-related)
12. Illegal possession of a firearm.
13. Domestic violence.
14. Robbery.
15. Burglary
16. Dealing drugs.

Prison industry in it for PROFIT?

Never!

 

[TerribleChester]

Tough shit.

 

[Mike_Yates]

Most of the crimes committed by youth are related to drugs and/or violence. It's pathetic really, because nearly all of kids in the USA are becoming like this to some degree. Throughout my high school career, I didn't know of one student whom wasn't a delinquent pothead, or had a criminal record. Other than myself. A large majority of these students did not graduate for obvious reasons.

 

[Fala]

You are no mere woman or hausfrau. You are Fala: Kunoichi. *genuflects in respect*

http://www.drewmarlowe.com/pictures/Kunoichi.jpg

Ahahaha....yeah, something like that.

Ire, I adore ya, yano.

 

[Comshaw]

If you get a gun for self defense, do the world a favor and get training. Not only in how to use the gun but also in how to protect yourself from the inevitable legal backlash. Pull a gun on somebody in self defense in a public place, you will most likely be arrested. You will most likely need an attorney. Shoot somebody with a gun, even if in the court of public opinion it is perfectly valid, you are looking at six figures in legal fees in many instances. Information is available on how to minimize the hit to your wallet, reputation, etc. If you get a gun, seek out information on how to use it.

Then, if you get a gun, learn how to use it. Practice with it. Have a plan for home intrusions. If you are going to carry it in public, have a plan for what you need to do and say in the event of confrontations in order to protect yourself. Talk to some different attorneys on the phone and find one who is supportive of the second amendment. Because if you use a gun in self defense, you will want to call a lawyer.

I'll go with the training, everyone who buys a gun should know how and when to use it. The rest of what you said, nope ain't gunna' fly.

I don't know where you live, but here there are laws to protect someone defending his, or others lives. Revised Code of Washington 9A.16.020 and 9A.16.050 if you're interested in looking up the exact verbiage. In the instance sited in the article, there's no way, in this state, you will be arrested.

Pulling a gun in self defense, as long as it is justified, is covered in RCW 9A.16.020. It's legal and defensible by law in this state.

Rarely if ever will there be legal fees, IF THE GUN IS USED IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW, because the state has a duty to defend a citizen that legally uses a registered firearm in defense of life. And that's as it should be.


Comshaw

 

[Slowlane]

I hear ya! My husband is ex-NSA Army sharpshooter with a license to carry concealed. We have guns out the wazoo here.

I don't like guns. Trust me. I can run thru the blind darkness of my home through every single room and know exactly where to swing my hand and find a bronze statuary enough to bash somebodys brains out.

Anybody, in the darkness of my home, would have no chance against me.

Bronze statuary is a very short range weapon.

Just saying.

 

[Slowlane]

I'll go with the training, everyone who buys a gun should know how and when to use it. The rest of what you said, nope ain't gunna' fly.

I don't know where you live, but here there are laws to protect someone defending his, or others lives. Revised Code of Washington 9A.16.020 and 9A.16.050 if you're interested in looking up the exact verbiage. In the instance sited in the article, there's no way, in this state, you will be arrested.

Pulling a gun in self defense, as long as it is justified, is covered in RCW 9A.16.020. It's legal and defensible by law in this state.

Rarely if ever will there be legal fees, IF THE GUN IS USED IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW, because the state has a duty to defend a citizen that legally uses a registered firearm in defense of life. And that's as it should be.


Comshaw

None of that is protection from a civil suit.

 

[Comshaw]

None of that is protection from a civil suit.

True, but if you make sure the first shot does the job, you don't have to worry about a law suit do you? And as I pointed out, the state has a duty to defend a citizen against criminal charges if they were within the law. I realize they cannot do that for a civil suit, but how damaging do you think it would be to bring that testimony into a civil court?

Additionally, a counter suit can be brought, which after a situation like this, I'd be pissed off enough to spend my last penny on.

And I don't know about you, but in this instance I'm not about to stand around and try to decide if I might be sued. I'd rather be alive and be sued ,then be put in a box.

It's a matter of choice and perspective. You can rely on law enforcement to keep you safe, which in most times, in most places, works. But there are other times, like the article, when enforcement can't get there in time, or doesn't know it's going down, and it's all left to you.

Your choices:
worry about a possible lawsuit and die, or take the initiative and defend yourself.

I'll take door number two.


Comshaw

 

[Colonel Hogan]

http://www.drewmarlowe.com/pictures/Kunoichi.jpg

"Well, officer, it was pitch dark outside, and I know this is going to sound crazy.....but it actually looked like two boobs flying across my backyard!"

 

[Palba_Noruda]

I'll go with the training, everyone who buys a gun should know how and when to use it. The rest of what you said, nope ain't gunna' fly.

I don't know where you live, but here there are laws to protect someone defending his, or others lives. Revised Code of Washington 9A.16.020 and 9A.16.050 if you're interested in looking up the exact verbiage. In the instance sited in the article, there's no way, in this state, you will be arrested.

Pulling a gun in self defense, as long as it is justified, is covered in RCW 9A.16.020. It's legal and defensible by law in this state.

Rarely if ever will there be legal fees, IF THE GUN IS USED IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW, because the state has a duty to defend a citizen that legally uses a registered firearm in defense of life. And that's as it should be.


Comshaw

Oklahoma City pharmacist shoots robbery suspect now jailed on first degree murder charge
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2009277539_appharmacyshooting.html
The video of the robbery attempt is out there. The pharmacist shot the guy, protected his life, the life of the staff. Then he fucked up and shot the guy a bunch more times than was necessary. Why? His training was probably watching GoodFellas. Had he been properly trained not be a dumbass, he wouldn't be facing life in prison.

http://www.newsok.com/lawyer-says-toll-affects-druggist-jerome-jay-ersland/article/3381226
*contains video that will play automatically

True, but if you make sure the first shot does the job, you don't have to worry about a law suit do you? And as I pointed out, the state has a duty to defend a citizen against criminal charges if they were within the law. I realize they cannot do that for a civil suit, but how damaging do you think it would be to bring that testimony into a civil court?

Additionally, a counter suit can be brought, which after a situation like this, I'd be pissed off enough to spend my last penny on.

And I don't know about you, but in this instance I'm not about to stand around and try to decide if I might be sued. I'd rather be alive and be sued ,then be put in a box.

It's a matter of choice and perspective. You can rely on law enforcement to keep you safe, which in most times, in most places, works. But there are other times, like the article, when enforcement can't get there in time, or doesn't know it's going down, and it's all left to you.

Your choices:
worry about a possible lawsuit and die, or take the initiative and defend yourself.

I'll take door number two.


Comshaw

How about a third choice. Take the initiative to get training, get the knowledge you need, have a plan, practice, don't be a dumb ass. Then when the time comes to defend yourself, you do it in a way to minimize the risk of possible lawsuit, minimize the degradation of your character, and minimize the emotional burden on yourself and your family.

 

[Comshaw]

Oklahoma City pharmacist shoots robbery suspect now jailed on first degree murder charge
http://krmg.com/localnews/2009/05/oklahoma-city-pharmacist-shoot.html
The video of the robbery attempt is out there. The pharmacist shot the guy, protected his life, the life of the staff. Then he fucked up and shot the guy a bunch more times than was necessary. Why? His training was probably watching GoodFellas. Had he been properly trained not be a dumbass, he wouldn't be facing life in prison.



How about a third choice. Take the initiative to get training, get the knowledge you need, have a plan, practice, don't be a dumb ass. Then when the time comes to defend yourself, you do it in a way to minimize the risk of possible lawsuit, minimize the degradation of your character, and minimize the emotional burden on yourself and your family.

Would you do me a big favor? Please reread my original post? I think you selectively read what I posted. In case you don't wish to let my clarify: I AGREED WITH YOU ON THE TRAINING! But I disagreed with you on the rest of your post.

I believe I pointed out that IF YOU FOLLOW THE LAW, you don't have to worry about being arrested, or charged with a crime.

And in that situation there is no third choice. It's as simple as that. What you described is preparation for that choice. And I heartily agree. But push come to shove and the shit hits the fan, you have only two: Do or don't. you can rely on the law, and hope you can convince the perps to leave you unharmed, or take the responsibility to protect you and your's.

Personally I hope I never, ever have to do anything like that. I'm not a brave man, and it scares the shit out of me to think about being in that situation. But that doesn't stop me from preparing just in case.



Comshaw

 

[Slowlane]

True, but if you make sure the first shot does the job, you don't have to worry about a law suit do you? And as I pointed out, the state has a duty to defend a citizen against criminal charges if they were within the law. I realize they cannot do that for a civil suit, but how damaging do you think it would be to bring that testimony into a civil court?

Additionally, a counter suit can be brought, which after a situation like this, I'd be pissed off enough to spend my last penny on.

And I don't know about you, but in this instance I'm not about to stand around and try to decide if I might be sued. I'd rather be alive and be sued ,then be put in a box.

It's a matter of choice and perspective. You can rely on law enforcement to keep you safe, which in most times, in most places, works. But there are other times, like the article, when enforcement can't get there in time, or doesn't know it's going down, and it's all left to you.

Your choices:
worry about a possible lawsuit and die, or take the initiative and defend yourself.

I'll take door number two.


Comshaw

We were talking about pulling a gun - not killing. I'm going to chose not to discuss the inconsistency of your posts and drop the subject.

 

[The_Trouvere]

In order to be effective in guarding a home, a gun must be loaded and easily accessible. If one has children, one needs to weigh the possibility that one's home will be broken into against the possibility that one's children or their friends will have an accident with the gun.

 

[PannieMonster]

SAN MARCOS — About 2 a.m. Friday, when a San Marcos resident heard a commotion outside his bedroom, he grabbed his .40-caliber Glock pistol and opened the door, police said. When he saw a teenager pointing a gun at him, according to police, the resident fired several shots that left two Luling 16-year-olds dead and another teen seriously wounded. A fourth teen fled to escape from the gunfire, police said.

Three of the four youths appeared to be holding weapons, police say. One had a handgun, and the other two had pellet guns that looked like handguns, police said.

A fourth suspect, identified by police as Frank Castro, 17, fled from the house, in the 900 block of Chestnut Street near the Texas State University campus. San Marcos Police Chief Howard Williams said Castro escaped the house uninjured but returned to look for the other teens. Williams said police arrested him at the scene. The names of the dead and injured teens were not released.

In Texas, if someone breaks into your home and is pointing a gun at you, you have the right to defend yourself. It's tragic that children had to die in this case but they were clearly in the wrong. I doubt there will be a civil suit in this case.

 

[Comshaw]

We were talking about pulling a gun - not killing. I'm going to chose not to discuss the inconsistency of your posts and drop the subject.

Of course you are.

Part of this discussion was about killing, as was the original article. Pulling a gun without having intent to use one? Anyone who does should be arrested. One of the cardinal rules I was taught from the time I could pick one up, never ever point one, show one or threaten with one unless you are ready and willing to use it.

Using one for intimidation purposes is stupid.


Comshaw