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Most interesting for me is learning that the head of the FCC is Colin Powell's son! I've put in bold my fave bits. I'd vote with him too. - Perdita
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Enough with the (bleep)ing word games - Tim Goodman, SF Chronicle

I have used the seven words that are not allowed on television. I have used them while watching and reviewing shows on television. I have used some of them in conversation with people who actually make shows for television. I have used some, but not all of them, when talking with the people at the TV networks who have the power to reject shows made for television that, in turn, make me use soon-to-be-illegal language. And I have used them, all of them, when discussing the spectacular sense of lameness that surrounds the Federal Communications Commission, whose job it is to monitor the use of these words.

If you haven't checked in with this whole ridiculous affair, the story surrounds one very angry protector of the people, Rep. Doug Ose (R-Sacramento), who believes the FCC has been too lax in enforcing the penalty for use of the seven words. He has introduced legislation, HR 3687, that would get the broadcast networks -- whose airwaves are federally owned -- into a lot of trouble if they let these words into the ether.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but having watched a whole lot of "The West Wing," I'm under the assumption that Republicans favor smaller government. No? Isn't adding a law on top of in-place regulations from a federal organization just making government, well, more complicated?

Not that Ose is wrong. While I like to say some of these words -- and not always in anger -- I'm not in favor of hearing them on, say, "Dora the Explorer." I think that might be a bad thing for my 3-year-old daughter. Far better for her to watch me drop something on my thumb and reel off four or five of them than, say, catch Barney turning all purple with rage as he spews that filth.

Just kidding. I would never let my kid watch "Barney."

This all caught fire because Bono of U2 dropped the f-bomb on the Golden Globes and NBC didn't bleep it out. Now, even if my daughter was, say, 12, she wouldn't be watching the Golden Globes. Because I would have told her it was a murky organization of foreign "journalists" who may or may not number 30 or 40 in legion and that sucking up to the entertainment establishment is a bad thing. Granted, by 12, she'd know I'm prone to ranting, sometimes with no clear point, and she'd simply tune me out and watch anyway.

Wait, there was a point here. Oh, yes, it's this: I'm for protecting innocent ears. Not for big government. Not for overreacting politicians. And why are our politicians watching awards shows, anyway?

But it also seems to me that Ose has missed the bigger objection to the FCC than its inability to do anything at all in this world. The FCC, under the leadership of Colin Powell's kid Michael, has taken the teeth out of every former measure meant to stop media conglomerates from taking over the airwaves and the world.

Now that's more scary than having that hootchie Nicole Richie say "s -- " and "f -- " on "The Billboard Awards," which wasn't bleeped out by Fox, even though the network had a five-second delay in place. Let's also make it clear right here that no daughter or son of mine, no matter how old, will ever in their lifetimes be allowed to watch "The Billboard Awards." Not on my watch. "Kids, this show celebrates mediocrity and cash, not artistry. Now go back to your rooms and listen to daddy's old Pixies albums."

This isn't necessarily an anti-censorship rant. Ose's legislation -- which is impressive in its briefness and surprisingly flexible sense of word usage -- says this: "As used in this section, the term 'profane,' used with respect to language, includes the words 's -- ,' 'p -- ,' 'f -- ,' 'c -- ,' 'a -- h -- ,' and the phrases 'c -- s -- ,' 'm -- f -- ,' and 'a -- h -- ,' compound use (including hyphenated compounds) of such words and phrases with each other or with other words or phrases, and other grammatical forms of such words and phrases (including verb, adjective, gerund, participle, and infinitive forms)."

I join Ose in not wanting my kids to hear these words on TV. I'd rather say them myself and then say, "Daddy was wrong to yell all those things at the TV." At least if they hear it from me, then it won't be such a surprise when they pop up on the playgrounds of our lousy American school system. I'm just saying.

I also join Ose in being against gerunds.

Yet I'm against his legislation for several reasons, the primary one being that if it passes, one day I may have to explain "infinitive forms," which I cannot, and "participle," which I kind of, sort of understand, but not really.

As this nonsense gets more and more attention (election year anyone?), it's pretty clear that we don't need the House of Representatives weighing in on censorship or making redundant the rules of another federal agency. What we need is for Ose to say what he really needs to say: Michael Powell needs to go, the FCC needs to be overhauled and yes, very late to the game though it is, the idea of raising the penalty fees is a good one. For Bono's comment, NBC could have been fined up to $27,500. Let me tell you something -- there isn't an NBC executive on either coast who doesn't have that money falling out of his or her own wallet. That's Monopoly money. Make it hurt.

Now that Powell has been woken to action, he's proposing this increase, which is logical, if late. He is also saying that the FCC made a mistake in not fining NBC in the first place. The agency, in one gloriously inane moment that pretty much sums up its effectiveness, said it wouldn't nick NBC because Bono used the word as an adjective, not in a sexual context.

Yeah, I'll remember that next time I blurt it out in the presence of young, impressionable ears. "It's an adjective, kids. It's OK. Go ahead and copy that usage at the dinner table tonight. I've got your backs -- have your parents call me for clarification."

Instead of adding more nonsensical legislation (remember -- smaller government!), how about a bill that says, in part: "The FCC will no longer be allowed to let gigantic media companies monopolize the airwaves. If they do, we will take their m -- f -- a -- out to the woodshed and beat the f -- s --

out of them for p -- away their obligation to protect the average citizen from corporate c -- s -- ."

I'd vote for that.

SF Chron
 
ARRRGHHHHH!! I don't want my ears and eyes protected by government drones anymore.

Perdita, a year or so ago CBS ran a live broadcast of the stage play, "On Golden Pond," during which a young actor says the word, "asshole." Since there was an artistic purpose for the word asshole, CBS did not bleep asshole. The following night, David Letterman performed an "experiment" to see if the CBS censors were on their toes, and to illustrate the difference between profanity with an artistic purpose and regular profanity.

He showed a clip of the play, with the kid saying "asshole." Then he said, "He can say {word bleeped} but I casn't say {word bleeped} because when I say {word bleeped} it has no artistic purpose. See the difference?" Then he alternated himself being bleeped with the clip of the kid not being bleeped, back and forth, back and forth --

Kid: "asshole"

Letterman: {bleeped}

Kid: "asshole"

Letterman: {bleeped}

It was beautiful. And bizarre. And strangely disturbing. I doubt if anybody at CBS got the point, except for the poor bastard whose job it is to catch those things. He probably needed a drink when he got off of work that night.

What makes this country so schizophrenic about televised sex and profanity? And why are the broadcast networks held to a standard that cable stations ignore?
 
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shereads said:
ARRRGHHHHH!! I don't want my ears and eyes protected by government drones anymore.

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What makes this country so schizophrenic about televised sex and profanity? And why are the broadcast networks held to a standard that cable stations ignore?

I agree with you -- I don't need the government controllingwhat I hear and see.

I can't answer the first part about schizophrenic standards, but the reason cable channels have more freedom is that they don't use the public airwaves. FCC Standards only apply to broadcast signals and not to privately owned cables.
 
shereads said:
ARRRGHHHHH!! I don't want my ears and eyes protected by government drones anymore.

Perdita, a year or so ago CBS ran a live broadcast of the stage play, "On Golden Pond," during which a young actor says the word, "asshole." Since there was an artistic purpose for the word asshole, CBS did not bleep asshole. The following night, David Letterman performed an "experiment" to see if the CBS censors were on their toes, and to illustrate the difference between profanity with an artistic purpose and regular profanity.

He showed a clip of the play, with the kid saying "asshole." Then he said, "He can say {word bleeped} but I casn't say {word bleeped} because when I say {word bleeped} it has no artistic purpose. See the difference?" Then he alternated himself being bleeped with the clip of the kid not being bleeped, back and forth, back and forth --

Kid: "asshole"

Letterman: {bleeped}

Kid: "asshole"

Letterman: {bleeped}

It was beautiful. And bizarre. And strangely disturbing. I doubt if anybody at CBS got the point, except for the poor bastard whose job it is to catch those things. He probably needed a drink when he got off of work that night.

What makes this country so schizophrenic about televised sex and profanity? And why are the broadcast networks held to a standard that cable stations ignore?



Thats positively precious:heart: I love it.

Now, censoring this toddlers see I can understand. But regular kids? :rolleyes: No. The new age of children knows way too much about sex and swearing, and censoring it is BS because they've already been exposed. Think I don't know what I'm talking about? I volunteered at an elementary school over the summer and I heard this kid, probably going into 5th grade, talking about cyber sex. Now thats innocence that needs to be protected.

And besides, you can tell what the bleep is bleeping out anyway. Whats especially ridiculous is the blurring out of the middle finger. I just don't get that one.
 
I find it both hilarious and sad to see that American television bleeps out dirty words, that every 5-year-old knows anyway, while they have no problem showing severe violence and attempted (sometimes successful!) murders as part of entertainment, sometimes even for those same 5-year-olds.

:rolleyes:

Imagine a scene where a gangster shoots his enemy in the head, with a close-up of the blood splatter, and the line:

"Take this, you mo-BEEEEEEP -er!"

Yanks...:rolleyes:
 
update:

Full article via url below.

FROM PLATO TO THE PROPOSAL TO BAN 7 WORDS FROM TELEVISION, CIVILIZATION HAS A LONG HISTORY OF RESTRICTING FREE EXPRESSION OF WRITERS AND ARTISTS (Steven Winn - SF Chron, 1.21.2004)

Battles over who may see, read, hear and say what have raged through the centuries. Strategies range from death sentences and book burnings to fine- tuning popular music lyrics and filtering the Internet. Here is a highly selective sweep through Western history's censorship chronicles.

Fourth century B.C.: Plato lays out a detailed argument for censorship in "The Republic." In addition to indecent sculpture, his concerns include writers who convey "erroneous representations" of gods and mythic heroes.

First century A.D.: Roman emperor Caligula condemns disfavored writers and artists to be burned alive.

1233: Pope Gregory establishes the Inquisition, the centuries-long instrument of religious censorship, criminal sanction, torture and death for those deemed heretics.

1431: Convicted of heresy and witchcraft, Joan of Arc is burned at the stake in Rouen, France. Five centuries later she is beatified (1909) and canonized (1920).

1559: Pope Paul IV issues the Catholic Church's first Index Librorum Prohibitorum (Index of Forbidden Books), a compendium maintained until 1966.

1563: More than 20 years after its completion, Michelangelo's "The Last Judgment" is edited by the Council of Trent. A repainting campaign clothes many of the frescos' previously nude figures.

1633: Italian astronomer Galileo is forced to recant his sun-centered teachings on the planets.

1644: Poet John Milton publishes "Areopagitica," a vigorously argued essay in defense of a free press. In what he calls "one general and brotherly search after truth," Milton maintains that only by confronting error can virtue be tested.

1791: Ratification of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, guaranteeing freedom of religion, speech, the press and assembly.

1818: Publication of Thomas Bowdler's expurgated Shakespeare edition.

1832: French artist Honoré Daumier spends six month in prison after publishing an unflattering caricature of King Louis Philippe.

1873: U.S. morals crusader Anthony Comstock successfully lobbies for a strict federal law on obscenity and establishes the New York Society for the Suppression of Vice. His 1905 rebuke of George Bernard Shaw as an "Irish smut dealer" earns the playwright's response that "Comstockery" confirms America as "a provincial place, a second-rate, country-town civilization after all."

1885: Mark Twain's "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" is banned for the first time, by the Concord, Mass., public library.

1930: The Motion Picture Production Code (Hays Code) is enacted. "No picture shall be produced which will lower the moral standards of those who see it," according to the code's first General Principle.

1933: Burning of 20,000 books is endorsed by Nazi propagandist Goebbels: "From these ashes will rise the phoenix of the new spirit."

1933: Judge John Woolsey permits publication of James Joyce's previously barred "Ulysses" in the United States after reading the novel and detecting "no leer of the sensualist."

1948: The United Nations ratifies its Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

1949: George Orwell publishes "1984," his satirical novel of totalitarian control of human thought and expression.

1952: The word "pregnant" is forbidden on "I Love Lucy." The visibly pregnant television star is "expecting" Little Ricky.

1953: John Werthan's "Seduction of the Innocent," which links comic books to juvenile delinquency, leads to creation of the Comics Code Authority. EC Comics withdraws "Tales From the Crypt" and many other titles.

1954: Cole Porter's lyric "Some get a kick from cocaine" is changed to "Some get perfume from Spain" for radio airplay.

1957: Elvis Presley is filmed from the waist up only on "The Ed Sullivan Show."

1966: Stand-up comic Lenny Bruce, convicted of obscenity in several cities, dies of a drug overdose.

1968: The Motion Picture Association of America institutes its film classification codes (G, M, R, X).

1971: U.S. Supreme Court declines to suppress publication of the Pentagon Papers.

1972: Radio stations ban John Denver's "Rocky Mountain High" for its perceived drug reference.

1972: George Carlin performs his stand-up routine, "The Seven Words You Can Never Say on TV."

1985: Tipper Gore and 20 others form the Parents Music Resource Center to lobby the music industry on sex and violence in popular song lyrics.

1987: A Florida record store clerk is arrested for selling a 2 Live Crew album to a 14-year-old boy.

1989: The Corcoran Gallery in Washington, D.C., cancels the exhibition "Robert Mapplethorpe: The Perfect Moment."

1991: The Blockbuster video chain declines to rent any title rated NC-17, a rating that prohibits viewing by those younger than 17.

1996: Congress passes the Communications Decency Act, aimed at the "pervasive" content of the Internet.

2001: The Federal Communications Commission fines Portland, Ore., radio station KBOO $7,000 for playing Sarah Jones' "You Revolution."

2004: U.S. Rep. Doug Ose, R-Sacramento, introduces a bill that would bar seven sanctioned words from public airwaves.

Steven Winn - SF Chron
 
as a mommie of a 5 yr old

it is my belief that is the responsiblity of the parent to raise the child in a manner consistent with the parents own value/moral system not the governments responsiblity to parent my child. i can control..at least at this age..a good deal of what she is exposed to by simply turning off the TV or changing the channel. amazing but true i actually know how to operate a remote control. as for the ensuing tantrums, instead of caving...she knows if it goes past a certain point, she gets a "time out". she also knows if the TV goes off, that is just more "mommie/princess time". so it can be a win/win situation if planned that way. and the plan is that at this age the foundation is being built so that as she goes out into a world i can not control either now or as she grows up...those values/morals will be in place for her to self-moniter her own behavior. as for the language that mommie uses...er, that is a work in progress. as for whatever occurs at home like what kind of people/situations she is exposed to...i do consider the impact on her first. i am a grownup. a responsible parent. i am capable of monitering my own behavior/choices, fully aware of the impact/consequences of those actions without legislation or government intervention. this is one situation where less is more. and that time could be better spent solving the healthcare crisis. poverty. creating a broader job base. rebuilding the nation's infrastructure....the list is endless. but no, we waste previous energy/resources/airtime on trivialites that are best left to the parent.
 
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